Being boring for years certainly adds to the criticism because people are just bored of this crap football. And how is he rectifying it? He's had 2 years and the attack still looks as boring as ever. His signings aren't even 70% successful are they? Sanchez, Mkhitaryan, and Lindelof haven't been great. I love Pogba and think he gets too much criticism, but even Mou benches him. So when you say he's rectifying it or will rectify it, how will he do it? By buying 4 more players and hoping 2 perform well?
Jose Mourinho | 2017/18 Assessments | Poll Added
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He's brought us on no doubt
Winning the fa cup probably makes it better than last season
Not winning it makes it difficult to say which season was better
I think he brings a lot of the problems on himself though through stubbornness / ego etc.
I remember when he came he talked about specialist players in positions but we've played so many out of position for years. I can't think of many other big teams that also do this and are successful
Another issue is that despite spending money and signing players, I can't name a top of 11. Heck I think only the following defo start for him
Ddg
Valencia
Matic
Pogba
Lukaku
For other too teams could probably name about 8 or 9
And that leads to another problem what's our best formation?
Seen him try 433, 4231, 3 at the back, etc
So without a style in mind, how can we effectively recruit
And then finally, what is our style of football. The only patterns i've seen are:
Cross / launch into our box
Hope for mistake/ individual magic
Nullify opposition
Next season will be quite interesting. Our approach to teams who are near the bottom needs to change
Winning the fa cup probably makes it better than last season
Not winning it makes it difficult to say which season was better
I think he brings a lot of the problems on himself though through stubbornness / ego etc.
I remember when he came he talked about specialist players in positions but we've played so many out of position for years. I can't think of many other big teams that also do this and are successful
Another issue is that despite spending money and signing players, I can't name a top of 11. Heck I think only the following defo start for him
Ddg
Valencia
Matic
Pogba
Lukaku
For other too teams could probably name about 8 or 9
And that leads to another problem what's our best formation?
Seen him try 433, 4231, 3 at the back, etc
So without a style in mind, how can we effectively recruit
And then finally, what is our style of football. The only patterns i've seen are:
Cross / launch into our box
Hope for mistake/ individual magic
Nullify opposition
Next season will be quite interesting. Our approach to teams who are near the bottom needs to change
Our defo starting players are: DDG, Valencia, Smalling, Young, Matic, POgba, Lukaku, Sanchez
Only remaining 3 positions are open to other players.
Regarding formation - we have settled with 4-3-3 and have also played with 4-2-3-1 fair number of times. BUt I agree that we need to decide what is the base formation for us and design system around it, like if we see 4-2-3-1 as our primary formation, then we might need to bring a top #10.
OUr style is also quite clear:
Nullify opposition
Defence first
Beat the press by hoofing the ball to Lukaku/Fellaini
Sacrifice width and have strength in the middle
Try to play one twos right in front of oppo defense line
Put cross on far post and send midfield runners POgba and Fellaini to meet the cross
And I dont think next season is going to be any more interesting. I think we will advance to Quarters in CL next season and knocked out in Quarters, and in league we will again in top 4 mix without putting any real fight for the title. Because of style of football we play, I think it is going to be boring season.
We don't really though. Sanchez is world class on his day but none of the rest of them are. Martial may be one day but he isn't now.
Lukaku is just a 'good' player at this level (most of our rivals have better) and Lingard and Rashford simply aren't good enough for this club. That's the reality.
Jose says lot of nonsense in his speeches to media. Nothing is proved with regards to Martial and Rashford with just 1 match. And when Jose's midfield runs around like headless chicken with all so so below par then less said the better about the forwards.
Anyways this is what you get with Jose. Loads of nonsense sometimes. He is probably angry about the Rashford incident.
Anyways this is what you get with Jose. Loads of nonsense sometimes. He is probably angry about the Rashford incident.
If lukaku is not top why bother paying some 90M. Why not bring 40 M striker and wait for top striker when one is available.
There weren't any top strikers on the market. It was either him, Morata or Belotti- none of whom are top class. He's a good player but he's not in that elite bracket.
How convenient is it to lay all the blame on rashford and martial and say this answers the why Lukaku questions? 
The reporters should ask why Fellaini fellaini fellaini from next press con. The problem is none of the reporters dare to be a di*k like Jose.
I don't consider Lukaku as a top striker either and I also agree that there were just few available - Morata, icardi, lukaku, aubameyang, none were obvious elite.
But my point is- If we were bringing him thinking he is not first choice, then why not spend less and bring someone stop gap like we did with Zlatan. We do not have access to oil money after all.
Also realistically , how many elite strikers were available in last 4 years? We are not Madrid or Barca that we can have pick of whoever we like. So how many top attackers we can buy in next 4 years?
Next - agreed we do not have elite attack but we do have good enough attacking players. Are we producing what they are capable of. Definitely not for me.
Honestly not looking forward to another year of his football. I can't wait until he leaves.
We've played the same tumescent football with his favourites on the pitch.
Martial and Rashford could use some good role models on the wings. Mata's not a true attacking winger plus Young with Valencia got designated to defense. Sanchez just arrived and he'll need few months himself.
Our most experienced goal poacher is Lukaku (24) and Blind most experienced defender (28).
Even if new manager will arrive, he'll have still similar problems with this team. No bigger balance in some areas and obvious lack of Carrick type organiser for the whole team.
Our most experienced goal poacher is Lukaku (24) and Blind most experienced defender (28).
Even if new manager will arrive, he'll have still similar problems with this team. No bigger balance in some areas and obvious lack of Carrick type organiser for the whole team.
His favorites (Lukaku & Sanchez, if we're talking about attackers) put in an effort and want to win. Jose said it all in the press conference. Those who get it, get it; those who don't, it's pointless to explain it to them.
I don't buy this bollocks he's spewing.
It's a manager's job to ensure the players are performing at their best - this involves coaching them, motivating them, finding the system to get the best performances.
Mourinho seems to be happy to throw them on the pitch and cry "I told you so".
The american commentators put it well earlier on. Teams look like a reflection of their manager. Liverpool and City and bright and energetic. We are fecking miserable and tumescent.
Don't get personal
If people are like their posts, you're fecking miserable and tumescent. Who would want to hang with you.
He's just mediocre at developing young players I reckon. He has little patience, gives them little confidence, pulls them up in public at every opportunity and seems to struggle with getting the most out of them.How convenient is it to lay all the blame on rashford and martial and say this answers the why Lukaku questions?
Only a little while back people were pointed to Rashford as proof Mourinho championing youth. If anything, Rashford looks worse under him than he did under LVG. Martial has developed a bit but clearly doesn't seem to be enjoying his football the way he was before.
During the summer people wondered why Jose was so intent on getting Perisic when we had these two. But it seems obvious now. Mourinho seems to struggle with raw mercurial talents and elevating them to their potential level whereas he is at ease with know what you're going to get ones. It seems Woody needs to give him ready made experienced pros only.
As well as blaming Woodward for not getting in PerisicHow convenient is it to lay all the blame on rashford and martial and say this answers the why Lukaku questions?
let's not act like this performance is an isolated incident, it doesn't matter which players are on the pitch, we are pretty bad and a bore to watch, and that's on the manager.
i hope we get rid soon
i hope we get rid soon
Enough of this "it's manager's job". First of all, a manager will not come out and say the things that he said if they weren't true. If what he said wasn't a 100% true, then he would lose the entire dressing room, not just the guys he criticized.
Secondly, you're going to blame the manager because Rashford doesn't want to pass it to Martial for a tap-in?
Third, Mourihno doesn't look happy at all when he loses. It seems like he's frustrated as f...k because his players don't give a shite to finish second and not third.
Fourth, American commentators... let's just leave it there and move on.
Fifth and final point: you have a manager who is frustrated with his players' lack of ambition; same players that you've been frustrated for that very reason before he joined; he is telling you that he told them a million times that this would be a tough match and they must want the win; and you're blaming him for not doing the job and defending these millionaires who can't be bothered, "they're not enjoying themselves", teacher don't like them, and mommy raised her voice? Seriously...
The fact to the matter is that the players are mentally on vacation and they don't care if they finish 2nd or 3rd or 4th. They can't wait for the FA Cup final to be over and done so they can bang their supermodel girlfriends on yachts. Don't get me wrong; I would if I could too; but don't tell me it's "the manager's job bla bla bla".
Someone should have asked him about the losses vs bottom teams where Lukaku started. He just makes it up as he goes along really. Will throw his mum under the bus to protect himself.
Of course it is his job.Lukaku has the luxury of the managers support and protection. He was able to put out appalling displays like the one against City and the non show against Liverpool (I think) but kept starting and playing through blips to eventually play himself into good form, confidence and stats.
Thing with Jose is, for me, he values discipline far too highly. It's good to have it but young players seldom do. He doesn't seem as enthusiastic about brilliant attacking skills as he does about discipline and all the stuff that come with experience. And more importantly, he seems unable to instill a high level of cohesion into our team. And that does not bode well for raw, exciting talents. All of this also explains Pogba strugglingunder Mourinho. His entire dogged hard working not-so- cohesive unit suits a Lukaku or Sanchez more.
It's just a shame really. One can't help but be envious of the coaching happening at our rivals right now. Unless your Sanchez or Lukaku I bet the players feel the same way.
That's just my view, only managers IMO who built squads(at least in my memory since I started watching football) are SAF and Wenger, they dismantled and recreated their teams time and time again(for good or worse), whereas managers like Guardiola, Mourinho walk into a top team, buy 4-5 world class players, win things when their teams are on peak and move on. Even in the continent the squad building is done by the director of football who identifies players, buys them and asks the managers to work with those players.
He should be sacked if he doesn't accomplish one of these next season (because anything else is either regression or a stand still)
1) Title win or be in a title race to the last month and not lose by a hefty margin (like our current point total vs city)
2) Champions League progress (Semi Finals at minimum)*
*With a top 3 spot in the PL table
or
BINGO! PL title and/or CL title
1) Title win or be in a title race to the last month and not lose by a hefty margin (like our current point total vs city)
2) Champions League progress (Semi Finals at minimum)*
*With a top 3 spot in the PL table
or
BINGO! PL title and/or CL title
Excellent post and absolutely correct. This is a manager struggling to deal with the biggest of clubs. He's disconnected from his players, and this shows in performances. It's frequently embarrassingly poor so this has to be an issue of management. Whether motivation, or strategy and game plan. It's just not great. How hell we are second I don't know.
And the thing that really gets me is his willingness to rebuke players, publicly. His comments after the game were petulant, and irresponsible to be said to a live audience. How does expect to get the best out of the team like that.
An arrogant , self-indulged man who is not the right fit for managing a club with a style of football and brave approach to their play.
Yep, agree with all of that.
Lukaku has the luxury of the managers support and protection. He was able to put out appalling displays like the one against City and the non show against Liverpool (I think) but kept starting and playing through blips to eventually play himself into good form, confidence and stats.
Thing with Jose is, for me, he values discipline far too highly. It's good to have it but young players seldom do. He doesn't seem as enthusiastic about brilliant attacking skills as he does about discipline and all the stuff that come with experience. And more importantly, he seems unable to instill a high level of cohesion into our team. And that does not bode well for raw, exciting talents. All of this also explains Pogba strugglingunder Mourinho. His entire dogged hard working not-so- cohesive unit suits a Lukaku or Sanchez more.
It's just a shame really. One can't help but be envious of the coaching happening at our rivals right now. Unless your Sanchez or Lukaku I bet the players feel the same way.
It's Mourinhos job to make sure they aren't. He has had 2 years to do it - they still look weak. When United are winning "I am special" - when we are losing - it's the players fault. And add to that - Pogba, Matic and Fellaini was playing - and still he blåmes his loss on a 20 year old and a 22 year old. What does that tell you ? I can understand Martial wanting to leave - if I was an attacking player at United, I would want to leave to.
I hope Jose leaves. I hope the next manager builds the team around Martial. I'll have popcorn ready.
You may mock him for “ blaming” Rashford and Martial but it’s true, Lukaku does what it says on the tin give him a chance and he will hit the target.How convenient is it to lay all the blame on rashford and martial and say this answers the why Lukaku questions?
Martial is vastly overrated on this forum, he is given chance after chance to establish himself but never puts a shift in has no work ethic and doesn’t appear interested apart from the occasional moment .
If Rashford wasnt a local lad made good then he would come in for far more criticism,his decision making is woeful and he is not a natural goal scorer, If Lukaku got a long term injury we would be in real trouble because neither of these 2 could step up.We should sell martial and Rashford should be what he is now a squad player with potential
Sick of this tumescent football and sick of his lame and idiotic excuses.
Wow, he had just been waiting to deliver that line about Rashford, Martial and Lukaku, hadn't he? You almost feel like he was happy we lost so he got to say 'I told you so'.
I'm so tired of him. Look at the Champions League this season: Attacking, fast football is what works in the modern game. Mourinho's approach is archaic. He makes it a chore to watch our games, we are so unbelievably boring compared to every single other top team. On top of that, our results are mediocre and he's such a miserable, sad human being.
I can't wait until the day he's gone.
I'm so tired of him. Look at the Champions League this season: Attacking, fast football is what works in the modern game. Mourinho's approach is archaic. He makes it a chore to watch our games, we are so unbelievably boring compared to every single other top team. On top of that, our results are mediocre and he's such a miserable, sad human being.
I can't wait until the day he's gone.
What a rubbish post. Jose is adored at Inter Milan. He left after he won the league title and the CL. Then Rafa followed. Stop making accusations that are basically lies.
He's so transparent with his 'little games'. Weird how so many can't see through this.How convenient is it to lay all the blame on rashford and martial and say this answers the why Lukaku questions?
He's pathetic.
It's weird how people are accusing the players of playing for themselves instead of the team. If anyone is playing for himself, it's Mourinho.
If our problems were as simple as that, why have we looked shite and lost games to teams like WBA, Newcastle etc with Lukaku playing upfront? Did those games answer "Why Messi"?
Yeah I think it's always been obvious what Jose is about. People would rather believe some real weird shit than see what is right before their eyes. And if they just don't have the logic to recognise what is going on then that's a different matter.
But Jose has always been willing to accept a poor performance to an extent if he sees that the player is working hard and is just having a bad day. Because he knows the good performance will come with effort. But when he sees players performing poorly, not looking bothered and then complaining in the media that they don't play, this obviously grinds his gears. And rightly so.
Exactly right.
You are completely misunderstanding the situation. It's not a Martial or Rash issue - the concern is his approach.
The manager is begging Fellaini to stay, should we allow him to build the team around 11 Fellani's for e.g..
His attitude and approach points to a deeper issue that can have mid to long term implications for us as a club. Therefore there's no need for sarcasm when posters are genuinely concerned.
Blissful post. Magnificence.
Lukaku has the luxury of the managers support and protection. He was able to put out appalling displays like the one against City and the non show against Liverpool (I think) but kept starting and playing through blips to eventually play himself into good form, confidence and stats.
Thing with Jose is, for me, he values discipline far too highly. It's good to have it but young players seldom do. He doesn't seem as enthusiastic about brilliant attacking skills as he does about discipline and all the stuff that come with experience. And more importantly, he seems unable to instill a high level of cohesion into our team. And that does not bode well for raw, exciting talents. All of this also explains Pogba strugglingunder Mourinho. His entire dogged hard working not-so- cohesive unit suits a Lukaku or Sanchez more.
It's just a shame really. One can't help but be envious of the coaching happening at our rivals right now. Unless your Sanchez or Lukaku I bet the players feel the same way.
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