Well if Spurs "attacking football" was so great they would have won against City and Brighton then? So you are saying Spurs have no "attacking football" as well?
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Well if Spurs "attacking football" was so great they would have won against City and Brighton then? So you are saying Spurs have no "attacking football" as well?
Glad we are on the same page.But at the same time our slow approach in this game nullified any threat coming from our team, so is it still attacking?
I absolutely agree about us being disjointed and unbalanced. On top of that I would add that we usually lack any game plan (apart from moments of inconsistent, individual brilliance, which is hardly a game plan)
While I agree that our managerial choices were sub-par, that is a different argument to the one you presented. Mourinho had to follow the mess left by Moyes and LvG, inheriting a squad that was a directionless mix of players from Fergie's final season, Moyes' panic buys, and LvG's scattergun additions.
As for Chelsea, their 10th placed finish was very much out of the ordinary. They'd won the league the season before that ffs. Prior to this season they'd won two of the last three league titles.
When do we hope to win the league? I hoped we'd win it this season, and if it weren't for a freak season from City, we'd likely still be in with an outside chance. I hope we win it next season. The point you're missing here is that City winning the league after finishing 1st, 2nd, 4th and 3rd is just a continuation of their relative consistency at the top. United finishing 2nd after finishing 7th, 4th, 5th and 6th shows a marked improvement. Next season I hope we build on that and if we do end up 2nd again, it's at least after mounting a proper challenge for the title.
In fairness, you don't have to watch us every week.
Poch did not spend as much as Mou, but their smart recruitment ensured that their players are not below us. Kane? Eriksen? Alli? Dier? Wanyama? Lloris? Their back 4?
As I said, I rate Liverpool players less than ours, and that's why I said Klopp > Mourinho, at least this season. But Poch had massively under-achieved this season and you are lying to yourself if you deny that. We were miles below them last season, and we only added Lukaku (which is still not as good as Kane) and Matic (which I prefer Dier, and they strengthen their midfield too this season) and suddenly we are way ahead of them. And yet you are here harping about Poch.
Lol, I love how you guys have decided Aguero, Silva, KDB, Fernandinho, Silva and Sterling are the only players in the world and on the market. Poor Jose can't compete unless he inherits the exact same team Pep got.City spent a lot of the season with Sane, Jesus and Sterling leading the line. Pep would have gotten the first two with Pogba money and played them with Martial or someone else better than Sterling. They spent a lot of time without D.Silva but managed just fine. No one rated Sterling on here before Pep came around now we can't compete with City because of him.
The argument makes no sense really as there are other players in the world apart from those City players but the Jose fan boys have decided we are doomed because City have KDB, Silva etc while poor Jose is stuck with dross like Pogba, Lukaku and Martial. Jose once had KDB and sold him, if Pogba and Sanchez are so poor under Jose what makes you feel Silva would have had better luck? Fact is many of the players you lot keep moaning about that City have would have never even been bought or playing as much under Jose. What you guys are saying in essence is 'if you give Jose the same team assembled by Pep he'll be amazing too'. Well no shit.
Well if Spurs "attacking football" was so great they would have won against City and Brighton then? So you are saying Spurs have no "attacking football" as well?
I've seen this match (Spurs v City) and they were absolutely woeful in that game. Stupid loss of possesion, resorting sometimes to hoofball, all in all a complete mess. Besides, Spurs looked good throughout the season, very dynamic with thrust when going forward, with a structured approach.
Poch did not spend as much as Mou, but their smart recruitment ensured that their players are not below us. Kane? Eriksen? Alli? Dier? Wanyama? Lloris? Their back 4?
As I said, I rate Liverpool players less than ours, and that's why I said Klopp > Mourinho, at least this season. But Poch had massively under-achieved this season and you are lying to yourself if you deny that. We were miles below them last season, and we only added Lukaku (which is still not as good as Kane) and Matic (which I prefer Dier, and they strengthen their midfield too this season) and suddenly we are way ahead of them. And yet you are here harping about Poch.
Well, with the money we spend we really should be
And we are, so no problem there. But with the amount of money city spent, shouldn't they be ahead of us? Why are you having a problem that we are behind them? Your logic fails you some of the time?
So you expect Mourinho to inherit a worse squad than city, spend less than Pep, and somehow win the title ahead of Pep? What logic is that?
Well the sarcasm just went over your head
There squad was not great before pep arrived, they needed an overhaul which pep has done superb, this season people like Sterling, KDB, Sane, and Stones the 1st half of the season at least all improved dramatically, take out Lingaard how many United players have improved that much under Jose? yes pep has spent a bomb but so has united and there are miles ahead in there rebuild, 4 transfer windows we have had and still no Full back has been signed. which everyone could see was a problem since Jose first arrived
Why? The quality of players in both sides are even. Money spent is immaterial. A large worldwide brand will always over spend and make larger exampled mistakes on the way. It has nothing to do with Mourinho.
In fairness I like watching Liverpool this season. One for their attacking football when they win, two if they don't win, I enjoyed it too seeing them meltdowns.
Does anyone really think that Jose isn’t trying his hardest to get the team winning?
I watched as he left the pitch after the West Brom game past the remaining fans and he looked utterly embarrassed and fed up.
The players let him down after the ‘glory’ of a 20 minute spell against City.
I watched as he left the pitch after the West Brom game past the remaining fans and he looked utterly embarrassed and fed up.
The players let him down after the ‘glory’ of a 20 minute spell against City.
Christ. KDB Silva and Augero were all world class stars in the squad when Pep arrived. It wasn't a hard task to get them adapting to the level and style he wanted.
Jose had no stars even close to that level. The idea that Pep needed to do as much of am overhaul as Jose did is absolutely ridiculous. He had a much higher quality starting point.
And we are, so no problem there. But with the amount of money city spent, shouldn't they be ahead of us? Why are you having a problem that we are behind them? Your logic fails you some of the time?
So City should be ahead of us because they spend more than us right? Now riddle me this, how the feck are teams we outspent almost on par with us and even managing to play better football, oh and
tooAlmost on par? Why don't you call it as it is, below us?
And if klopp manages to finish ahead of us, then of course he is way better than mourinho this season.
Almost on par lol
And if klopp manages to finish ahead of us, then of course he is way better than mourinho this season.
Almost on par lol
So City should be ahead of us because they spend more than us right? Now riddle me this, how the feck are teams we outspent almost on par with us and even managing to play better football, oh and
Not only did City spend more, their best performers were already in the squad when Pep arrived. Silva KDB and Augero are comfortably one of the best if not the best players in their positions out of the entire Premier League. And then Pep spent shit loadss of cash more.
Also they aren't "almost on par". Chelsea spent more than us and are 5th, Spurs are actually 3 pts off us despite playing a game more (5 pts off if we beat Bournemouth).
What a tragic response
Keep telling yourself swapping Matic for Herrera has not improved us.
Checked news online for the first time in days.
Seems everyone wants to leave.
Seems everyone wants to leave.
So did you watch the games?
Also a lot of the stick Jose gets is not based on results. It’s based on how poor the quality of football we play is. That there is no direction. We chop and change every other week. If you watch Pool, Spurs and so on, you know how they are going to play, there is a clear plan and direction and people have faith that something is happening at these clubs. Therefore their managers are afforded time.
Jose from the looks of it is doing none of these things and has spent a fortune and yet there aren’t really any signs of quality upon the pitch. Take in to account we have the least shots for and faced the most shots out of the top 6 I’m sure I read in a thread yesterday.
All in all, Jose isn’t ticking all the boxes and I don’t think he ever will. Souless, drab, functional, uninspiring football might be ok with some but for others it isn’t. If he was playing like Pool, or Spurs he could finish 5th and people would give him more time as it looks like it would only be a matter of time before it really clicks.
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Almost on par? Why don't you call it as it is, below us?
And if klopp manages to finish ahead of us, then of course he is way better than mourinho this season.
Almost on par lol
One point behind despite spending millions more, and more green smileys. Can't be bothered with people who seem to think green smileys make their point more valid
Guys, y'all realise City have been outspending us long before Pep came along right? If it was all about money then LVG should have been finishing above Liverpool shouldn't he? Pep while inheriting a better squad has done a lot to mould it and brought in more players who have lifted them up a level. Jose bought players too, and they are all struggling. What would be the excuse next season if we're still still struggling against Newcastle and Westbrom next season as I'm sure we will, money? Is lack of spending the reason we're hoofing to Fellaini two seasons after Jose? Is our lack of spending really the reason our attack look worse than some midtable clubs? Is money the reason we couldn't beat Sevilla over two legs? How much do you think we need to close that 16 point gap City have on us?
Let me simplify things for you :
Jose took over when we finished 5th. He spent the 3rd most in the league after City and Chelsea. Hes won the Europa Cup, the Carling Cup and currently sits 2nd behind a side that has spent 150m EUR more than he has whilst still fighting for the FA Cup.
You don't do the above by being a reactive side all season. You don't do the above without improving the quality of the players you have. You don't do the above and have the "whole team struggling". It's a pile of dross to argue otherwise.
jumping over 4 teams isn't significant? ok. we were 17 pts off Spurs last season, well off Chelsea and well off Liverpool and Arsenal. we have overtaken them all but you have seen no great improvement. Then what off those clubs behind us who have seem to have gone backwards? why so much praise and contentment of our rivals?
You can spend as much as you like, but if you cannot coach them properly it won't work. Jose will need to pull his finger out next season and stop falling out with players, because you don't know when you will need them.
Points wise there is, but if you happy with watching that rubbish, then good luck. This summer will be telling, he will either sign players to fit in with the type of football this club should be playing, or it will be dumping more talented kids, bringing in functional players and it will more of the same. We will be in that case just be a team with no personality at all.
What will be the excuse when we are still witnessing shit on a stick football next season?
Needs more time and um money probably and it will be an un-even numbered year.
To be fair, it could work too. Sometimes managers need a lot of time to find their feet.
This post genuinely annoys me more than it should. I appreciate that we have decent rival fans who pitch in with some good bits of debates and opinions but sometimes posts like these pop up.
You coming here, scratching your head wondering why you'd see some fans unhappy with Mourinho, while supporting a team that's enjoying some ptetty good footy and try to lay what you perceive as reasonable retort to those of us not happy with a manager having us play some awful football sound very patronizing.
It's clearly obvious to you why some people are unhappy with Mourinho given it seems you've read bunch of posts on these boards to be well aware what's tripping some fans.
Acting like what some fans are complaining about can't be circumvanted hence this surprised reaction from you in regard to those unhappy with Mourinho is quite frankly annoying and disingenuous.
Like I said your post annoyed me more than it should. You're sitting there enjoying watching your team play week in week out, yet you want to lecture those who have to put up with watching some terrible football for complaining about being fed those tumescent footy.
Jose has never been around long enough. You could say that about a young manager. Jose is just being Jose.
Depends on how many of his scapegoat players are still with us to blame.
If he hasn't coached them properly he wouldn't be sitting 2nd. It really is that fecking simple. Sick and tired of people acting like they're experts on coaching or posting like they can judge him from his training methods as though they're involved in midweek training.
If he hasn't coached the side properly he wouldn't be sitting 2nd behind a side that has considerably more quality in most areas of the pitch. Being 2nd in the league and being a poor coach are mutually exclusive.
If it is the same next season, then only one person is to blame and that is the manager, because he will have had the summer to rectify it.
See, that's the thing. Some stare blindly at points and results and make their judgment on whether we've improved or not purely off that, and some of us look beyond just points and results and focus on the level of our performances, and on that front we can't really see much of an improvement. Our attacking football is shite and we're not creating many chances, we're defending poorly despite having conceded only 26 (largely thanks to our goalkeeper, as we all know), and we're very lucky to have come away from it with the results that we have.
Needs more money oh and er we need him because of stability. Lack of options to replace him.
Next season he'll have a team with almost 9/10 of his signings. If he can't get them to gel then I don't see how anyone can justify him staying on.
He had last summer too though. I understand the squad needed work when he came in, and he gets a bit of leeway because of it, but it's been almost two full seasons now and honestly, if someone asked me how he wants us to play, I couldn't answer, the football is terrible to watch aside from brief 5 or 10 minute bursts here and there. That, coupled with his generally miserable demeanour, constant excuses after bad results, harping back to his old achievements, and falling out with what seems like every other player, have just had enough of him.
And the sad part is, I am sure we will give him next year given we have ground out a decent league position, so I am resigned to next season already.
KDB was not world class when pep arrived christ he wasn't even world class last season, Silva has moments of magic but was not consistent, Aguero has had to change his work rate to get near pep's side as got dropped,
lets make this clear, when they both 1st arrived they finished on the same points, there 1st season they finished 9pts ahead of us, this season they are currently 16pts ahead of us, people need to realise we are getting further behind this city team, and quite frankly our football has been poor majority of the season AGAIN
Pep has changed what was needed, Jose has bought players because they were avaible even if he did not have a plan for them Pogba and Sanchez for example,
Those arguying for Mourinho usually have no retort to this and would either take you on long tangents or resort to random expletives.So City should be ahead of us because they spend more than us right? Now riddle me this, how the feck are teams we outspent almost on par with us and even managing to play better football, oh and
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