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José Mourinho | 2018/19 Performances
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Same here. We don't have a footballing identity and haven't since Ronaldo left in my opinion. SAFs final years was zombie football without pace with the odd Fergie special of squeezing every drop of grit and determination out of players to drag us over the line. a winning mentality but no real identity.
Oh, fair enough. I have no memory of that whatsoever so apologies! The only time I remember the fans in attendance getting antsy was in a league cup game at home against a championship side where it took us over an hour to manage a shot or something like that. Then again, I don't have the best memory!
Oh, I agree with you, and I think - as far as the majority of the match going fans go - José is still heavily backed. Looking back at my post, I made it sound like I thought that wasn't the case so my bad.
So she reckons he has a split personality and is insecure based on 2 interactions with him. Pretty lame.
It's her first column so naturally Jose is a good topic to get the desired hits.
Heard the same from Sir Alex, nobody wanted to cross him after a loss or bad form. This really doesn't say much.
Isn't that pretty much the normal human emotional change anyway ? I'm exactly the same and guess everyone is.
Apparently article worthy.
Lukaku says he likes to play on the shoulder of the defender & to make runs in behind rather than play as a target man that receives the ball who controls the ball and brings others to play. Martial also says he is a forward, a forward who likes to take his central defenders on with the ball at his feet - instead we have him against the corner full back where his choices after beating them are much more limited to crossing in to the target man or passing. Then Rashford has regressed, again rather than playing as a striker who is instinctive being in the right place at the right time, he is either a winger or made to play as a striker who plays very deep on the field - not getting balls on the floor.
Straight out the top - there are 3 strikers we have; who said they prefer it but we continue to only play with one; with that one being played as a targetman.
Next players like Mata is played on the RW made to cut in when they have no pace and are better suited to the middle. Ppgba was played too defensive in a midfield 2 - the world cup showed how he should be played & he seems rather than the formation; he is being restricted by the type of football we play. He now plays with 2 CM behind him & he has yet to be all that good consistently in games. Internationally - he seems a different beast. I'd argue that our CB's were always better playing in a back 3 - that was the case post LVG because he left an attacking ball playing defender like Blind who Jose didn't use in a back 2. Fast forward a year & we have Bailly Lindelöf that do not look good in a back 2 - looking like they need another defender to make it steady(we played Fellaini at CB the way Blind would have easily mastered). Then potentially playing 3 at the back we could allow our fullbacks to play as wingback to give us a bit more attacking edge.
Then there is actually football - like lukaku said; they have recently practice quick passing - this should have been done before & passing on the floor is better that hoof ball.
No idea what 'dealing' he's done with the challenges given we've started the season poorly, our football has been average and there's uncertainty over the futures of key players or their happiness. The bravado and sound bytes in the press conference are meaningless apart from setting the mood in the media which has mostly been doom and gloom and not because of an evil media but due to the manager and his own outlook.
So I definitely disagree with this assessment. He still doesn't appear to be taking the club to where we need to be after two years in charge. And that's below what should be expected of the manager of Manchester United.
Agreed. Only recently we have started quick short passing and pressing, which is rather shite as most of the teams have been doing this for years. Bar City, we have the best squad in the league. If fecking Pool and Chelsea can play some attacking staff and do something of note domestically or in Europe, why can't we? Did it take Jose 2 fecking seasons, 4 transfer windows, 9 new players and 400 mln quid to realize this? Tactically Jose is miles behind Klopp and Pep these days. The way Conte did us in the FA cup final was quite telling too. Sevilla disaster, the recent game against Spurs show that Jose is really behind top managers in the world. I am sure he has intellectual capacity to become one of the very best again, however, his stubborness and bitterness at times are his own enemies imo.
Yes. IF you want to win anything. We were shipping goals to all and sundry (CFC) under Conte and he said fook that and went back to a rigid defensive formation and we walked the league after that. Pointless trying to speak sense though. Until the manager is gone not even winning the CL will earn respect from you. Which is a shame.
Interesting post history for a Chelsea fan. Next to no posts about Chelsea, and with the majority of posts geared towards defending everything Mourinho and repeating the talking points used by other Mourinho fans on here. Kind of similar to that newbie 'Liverpool fan' Coach V who spends (or spent, I see he's been banned, good call) his time writing ridiculously long posts about how great Mourinho is and how clueless United fans on the caf are.
Wonder where all these people come from.
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Wonder where all these people come from.
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Madrid one 3 champions league's out of 4 with amateurish defending at times yet were great going forward? Its definitely possible and doable. City last year won the league by essentially defending by attacking. It can be more about the unit than the individuals.
Varane and Ramos are probably the best defenders in the world right now lol, and even if they were shite you still had like the most powerful attack in Europe so there is that.
You mean the way Mourinho tends to 'do' his opponents, so playing on the back-foot waiting for a mistake to make use of, often thanks to individual brilliance? Then close the shop and kill the game without even scoring another goal? Exactly what Mourinho is often criticized for, even when we beat the top dogs out there. As for the recent encounter against Spurs, you really believe it was about 'getting done' by tactics? Even fecking Pochettino acknowledges it was a freak of a result given how the match played. I think you should've finished at 'Jose's miles behind Klopp and Pep these days' which would at least sound reasonable.
BTW, you give plenty of one game examples vs top teams there, how will you analyze our positive results against TOP 6 last year? City away, Arsenal home and away, Spurs home, Liverpool home, Chelsea home. All wins. Lucky I guess?
Score and shut the shop does not work. Real Madrid showed it to the whole world how the game should be played without Mou. Sevilla's rookie manager beat us fair and square. We were 6th in Mous first season and were not even good enough to qualify for top 4. Nineteen points behind city last season tells a lot. So I repeat 4 transfer windows, 400 mln quid, 9 players and we still look clueless. Mou is bottling it badly. In the prem in CL he is a bottler with Utd. He bottled the CL with Real too. He can neither shut the shop properly, nor outscore decent opposition. Losses this year show this too. Get back to me when we actually start winning big things with Mou's tactics. So far we are bottling.
At least I know you're trolling now. On a serious note, Being not good enough in his time here is true and I'm the same here. Just can't understand when people give one game examples from last season games then turn the blind eye to the important ones we won.
I am not trolling, actually in his first season I was fecking shocked that we had to put all our eggs in EL basket as we bottled it badly in the league. Mou was an inch way from suffering a late sucker punch in the EL too. Had that shot went in, we would probably be having a new manager in his second season with us now. He was a great manager no doubt, but it looks like he won't win anything big with us. It is a shame, though
This, and we played decent football against Tottenham as well imo, especially first half, even though you wouldn’t know that by looking at the final score.
I’ll say we will see a more entertaining United this season.
I see. And where's that Conte you're talking about now?
People say they want to see mourinho changes. He signed a long term contract by his standard. He tries to endear himself to the fans. Shaking his hand smiling with ed.
It's fake. It's staged. It's only burnley. It's only to keep his job. He's praising his players because he lost it. He's handshaking ed to keep his job. He's outdated. He throws his players underthe bus (despite actually getting proper response from some player he critizes). When we finally start to change our approach it's due to mckenna! It's carrick! Even staying in lowry so he can be closer to united than to his wife is used as a stick to beat him. Any players that throws tantrum is because of the evil mourinho. Martial can go awol and publicly wanted to move and it's still Mourinhos fault. Winning the european cup is because jose is a coward and how european cup is a mickey mouse cup. Finishung 2nd is suddenly a sackable offence while many here says 4th and they'll keep Moyes.
It's fake. It's staged. It's only burnley. It's only to keep his job. He's praising his players because he lost it. He's handshaking ed to keep his job. He's outdated. He throws his players underthe bus (despite actually getting proper response from some player he critizes). When we finally start to change our approach it's due to mckenna! It's carrick! Even staying in lowry so he can be closer to united than to his wife is used as a stick to beat him. Any players that throws tantrum is because of the evil mourinho. Martial can go awol and publicly wanted to move and it's still Mourinhos fault. Winning the european cup is because jose is a coward and how european cup is a mickey mouse cup. Finishung 2nd is suddenly a sackable offence while many here says 4th and they'll keep Moyes.
Blasphemy!
He’s still cashing checks he wrote a decade ago. I’m more concerned with our current players (outside of Fellaini, Young and Matic) looking up to him like that.
He is where JM, another PL and cup winner, has found himself: not at Chelsea. Same players, same situation, similar story.
Interesting post history for a Chelsea fan. Next to no posts about Chelsea, and with the majority of posts geared towards defending everything Mourinho and repeating the talking points used by other Mourinho fans on here. Kind of similar to that newbie 'Liverpool fan' Coach V who spends (or spent, I see he's been banned, good call) his time writing ridiculously long posts about how great Mourinho is and how clueless United fans on the caf are.
Wonder where all these people come from.
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Signed up to do just that, defend a manager i couldn’t understand why we sacked. As I only have 5 posts a day why else would I use my posts to do anything other than the reason I signed up on another club’s forum?
That is, if you are talking about me. Sorry we don’t all agree with you that your manager’s crap.
This is bollocks imo. Think they're are loads of teams with good attack and dodgy defence. And for how long have Liverpool been solid?
Personally, my problem is not that we don't play like Liverpool, I never expected that. We have had issues in and out of possession.
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I wish this stops. He's had a nice start but it's barely been 4 games, let's see him put a full season together before talking of some magnificent turnaround.
No idea what to make if this. Is this supposed to make Mourinho look good or Eto'o look bad?
Its simply says that when players play for their manager, they can reach the greatest levels of performances. Mourinho wants that from his players but sadly the so called big players aren't buying into his philosophy.
Exactly. Liverpool were playing fluid attacking football with Lovren and Matip at the back ffs. Laughable to suggest they were ever good defensively. VVD has taken them up a notch, but Jose is reaching pretty far if this is his latest excuse for his shit on a stick football.
I really don’t have a problem playing deep and defensive, IF you have a devastating counter attack. If you are lightening fast in the transition, you can destroy teams. But our attacking movement and link up has been utterly atrocious under Mourinho. Slow and ponderous. He’s the only one who can take responsibility for that.
Frankly his recent change of tone with the media and about his players and employers, is only because he knows he must be close to losing his job, and he’s trying to control the narrative. Mourinho is only ever out for Mourinho. He doesn’t give a feck about this club. And I am fine with that, if he is successful. But he’s been completely shite since he came here.
Just imagine what he'd have Barca to play, when they had Pique and Mascherano at the back.
Agreed. Feel like his being set up for a fall.It will be interesting to see what happens if/when he has a bad game. Does Ash Young return and we never see Shaw again?
Couldn't have stated this better. I have said it several times, what Jose has accomplished at United so far is under rated. And like you have indicated, his attempts at changing for the sake of keeping and succeeding at his United job, is obvious yet unappreciated.
Yes it happens, Mourinho tactics put an enormous pressure on creative wide players, that's why he is finding it hard these days.
But Benitez and Mourinho pretty much have similar philosophies, so I don't know why Etoo didn't want to respect Benitez. May be he felt he had sacrificed enough for Inter by playing a position which limits his natural skills(which is to score goals) and didn't want to do it anymore.
Great post.
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