José Mourinho | 2018/19 Performances

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whatwha said:
Sorry, extremely positive? How? We're not much closer to winning the league now than we were when Mourinho took over, and our football is not much better than under LVG. The entertainment value is terrible.
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If Jose left the club tomorrow, his predecessor would inherit a far better side than he did.

Isn't second is closer to winning the league than 5th?
 
Jose needs to stop being so negative on AND off the pitch.

It's causing unnecessary heat which is putting him under even more pressure.

I guess the fact he isn't getting the players he wants before the tour has put him in a sour mood.
 
POF said:
If Jose left the club tomorrow, his predecessor would inherit a far better side than he did.

Isn't second is closer to winning the league than 5th?
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Technically, LVG got you the closest :lol:
 
When do we get the poll monsieur @Damien? He's been on the brink of being sacked to getting the full backing of the board in the last 24 hours (according to the Jose-obsessed press). I'm curious to see the actual split on the Caf with a Jose in / Jose out poll....
 
POF said:
If Jose left the club tomorrow, his predecessor would inherit a far better side than he did.

Isn't second is closer to winning the league than 5th?
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We were 15 points behind 1st when we finished 5th. That's the closest we've been since Ferguson left
 
POF said:
If Jose left the club tomorrow, his predecessor would inherit a far better side than he did.

Isn't second is closer to winning the league than 5th?
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*Successor.

And of course he would. Mourinho has spent between €400-450m. Any idiot could improve upon the 15/16 squad with that kind of cash. Especially when binning Rooney alone is a huge improvement.
 
AndyJ1985 said:
We were 15 points behind 1st when we finished 5th. That's the closest we've been since Ferguson left
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You do realise other clubs have improved since then and City had an unprecedented season last season. We've clearly progressed as a club since Jose took over, regardless of whether or not people hate our style of football.
 
Bastian said:
You do realise other clubs have improved since then and City had an unprecedented season last season. We've clearly progressed as a club since Jose took over, regardless of whether or not people hate our style of football.
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Doesn't matter, I was simply pointing out we were closer to winning the title when we finished 5th
 
Borden said:
*Successor.

And of course he would. Mourinho has spent between €400-450m. Any idiot could improve upon the 15/16 squad with that kind of cash.
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No, not any manager could convince top players to join a club in regression. He's spent 260m in his first two seasons. This summer he's spent 50m. That's 310m net. Not just adding to an already highly promising squad, but fixing a disjointed imbalanced squad with a lot of mediocrity and inflated wages.
 
AndyJ1985 said:
Doesn't matter, I was simply pointing out we were closer to winning the title when we finished 5th
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That doesn’t prove that the side the next manager would inherit is not better. I dont think any sane person would argue against that.
 
Borden said:
*Successor.

And of course he would. Mourinho has spent between €400-450m. Any idiot could improve upon the 15/16 squad with that kind of cash. Especially when binning Rooney alone is a huge improvement.
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Any idiot except LVG who spent huge money in a much softer market and there isn't a single one of his signings who is a first team regular. In fact, Jose's biggest task has been clearing them out.

Binning Rooney the way he did was remarkably well managed. It highlights even more how badly he has managed the situation with some of his other players.
 
Dancfc said:
Technically, LVG got you the closest :lol:
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AndyJ1985 said:
We were 15 points behind 1st when we finished 5th. That's the closest we've been since Ferguson left
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I get the point but it is "technically". Finishing ahead of Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal is actually a very good achievement. I don't think the team LVG left behind could have done that.
 
Jose should have been in Barbados with his family during the world cup. Not taking a proper rest in order to pick up truck-loads of rubles from Putin for tv punditry might cost the club dearly this season
 
JMack1234 said:
The comment about how he wouldn't of paid to watch the game was disgraceful.

I wouldn't of paid to watch Man Utd reserves in a pointless game nor would a lot of us who are lucky enough to live somewhere where we can easily get to Old Trafford. However, for the American fans who only get to see Man Utd play once every so often. For our manager to come out and say that is really out of order.
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To be fair that comment was just a set up for saying how fantastic the fans were for coming out to watch that game. Watch the interview till the end, he didn't mean anything bad by it
 
Don't read media / twitter too much. He is going nowhere & you cannot even expect for it. His bad relationship with player & the board was created by media while infact the team spirit itself is perfectly fine.
 
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maniwin said:
Don't read media / twitter too much. He is going nowhere & you cannot even expect for it. His bad relationship with player & the board was created by media while infact the team spirit itself is perfectly fine.
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You want to think positive thoughts but there's a reason why he has never spent more than 3 years anywhere. He's had big falling outs and lost dressing rooms at Chelsea and RM which led to his departures. At Porto and Inter his time ended with a CL trophy. There's nothing in between really. It's two extremes with Mourinho. We look closer to the first scenario than the second right now.
 
abdo99 said:
You want to think positive thoughts but there's a reason why he has never spent more than 3 years anywhere. He's had big falling outs and lost dressing rooms at Chelsea and RM which led to his departures. At Porto and Inter his time ended with a CL trophy. There's nothing in between really. It's two extremes with Mourinho. We look closer to the first scenario than the second right now.
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Tell me anyone who can last longer than 3 seasons under Abramovich and Perez , I'll wait. He went from Porto to Chelsea and Inter to RM just like every employee want to have a better CV , salary , reputation and value. He is safe as long as he gets top 4 , for him , no bigger club he could possibly manage other than United , for the board, top 4 is good enough , they didn't sack Moyes and LVG till top 4 is Mathematically impossible to reach. Almost all our spine and senior player are behind him , De Gea, Bailly , Young , Valencia, Matic, Herrera ,Lukaku , Sanchez etc are all Mourinho-in , in RM he lost the dressing room after messing with club legend Saint Iker, second captain Sergio Ramos and their best player Ronaldo , in Chelsea he lost the dressing room after firing club favorite doctor Eva Carneiro , with us he only mess with Martial who has no power within the club.He is going nowhere , don't expect too much cause you will be disappointed , the sooner our fanbase realize that , the better.
The person below me is the example of reading twitter too much.
 
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He's a poisonous influence at the club. When a bunch of fans are so devoted to him that they are ready to blame the club ,Woodward, the players, the media and pretty much anyone but Jose himself you know the end is nigh. I'm now down to hoping his meltdown fizzles out and he's sacked before he's able to inflict too much damage on the club. We always knew he was something of a cnut but there's been no league titles to soothe over the rest of his baggage. He's not the same manager he was, not by a long shot.
 
I saw this article written in 2006 and was struck by the similarities to our current situation and the things that are being said. It's as if history is repeating itself.

Yes, there are some fundamental differences, the most obvious bring that Mourinho isn't Sir Alex. But, this is a good reminder that future is unpredictable.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2006/jul/31/sport.comment

Shredding his legacy at every turn
Rob Smyth

Sir Alex Ferguson's brilliance famously knocked Liverpool off their perch. Now his incompetence is doing the same to Manchester United. How did it come to this, wonders Rob Smyth

Mon 31 Jul 2006 13.01 BST First published on Mon 31 Jul 2006 13.01 BST

It was John Cleese, in Clockwise, who said: "I can take the despair. It's the hope I can't stand." Manchester United fans would beg to differ. Usually, the best thing about pre-season is the hope: reality's incisors have yet to pierce the gums of optimism, and fans can live off the balmy, often barmy belief that this is their year. For supporters of most of the other 91 English clubs, that's the mood right now. For United fans? Forget it. After three seasons of papering over the cracks, it seems most United fans are awaiting the moment that the fault lines tracing a veiny path across Old Trafford are exposed.


Almost everything about the club reeks of disarray. Owned by the Glazers, who push buttons from a remote hideaway like Dr Evil; run by a manager who shreds his legacy at every turn; almost exclusively represented by the inadequate (Darren Fletcher and Kieran Richardson) and the odious (Rio Ferdinand); unable to close a deal for West Brom's reserve keeper, never mind the new Roy Keane. The signing of Michael Carrick, a Pirlo when a Gattuso was needed, is a band aid for a bullet wound, and a ludicrously expensive one at that.

If anything, it's a surprise that United have bought anyone at all. This summer, they have been like a pathetic drunk lumbering across a dancefloor at 1.45am, trying to get off with everything that moves. No matter how many people they move in for - and if reports are to be believed, United have made offers for dozens of players - nobody wants to go near them. And the one person who surely would, Damien Duff, was allowed to slip into the arms of Newcastle for less than United paid for Patrice Evra. You couldn't make it up. You don't have to.

United finished second last season, but that as much about the deficiency of the Premiership as their own quality. Arsenal will surely not have a four-month blind spot this season, while all evidence suggests that Liverpool's gradient will continue on its upward trajectory. With Tottenham getting stronger, even with the loss of Carrick, it is conceivable that, if they start slowly and get significant injuries, United could finish fifth; in today's environment, that would be disastrous.


The problems are so obvious, so fundamental, as to be beggar belief that they have not been addressed. Just as the glory years of 1992 to 2001 will only fully be appreciated in 20 years' time, so will Ferguson's subsequent failure. It is particularly bewildering that a man who once exerted such an unyielding grip on every single aspect of the club that he had to be virtually coerced into delegating has let things slip to this extent. Take the Cristiano Ronaldo situation: Ferguson said recently that he had not even spoken to Ronaldo since the World Cup, a dereliction of duty that is in total contrast to the us-against-the-world protection that he gave to David Beckham - and for which, for a time, he was so thrillingly rewarded - in 1998.

Once upon a time Ferguson could play 'who blinks first' with fate and win every time, his iron will shaping his destiny exactly as he wanted. Now he is reduced to uttering garbage like "it's like having a new signing" of Paul Scholes, Ole Solskjaer, Gabriel Heinze and Alan Smith, the irrational if-I-say-it-enough-it-might-happen gibberish you'd associate with a serial loser like Kevin Keegan. These days, the man they call The Hairdryer is full of nothing but hot air.


Ferguson's squad, once so taut, is a baggy mess of has-beens, never-will-bes and Liam Miller. The simple repetition of 4-4-2, of Giggs, Scholes, Keane, Beckham, Cole and Yorke, has given way to myriad tactical and personnel changes, to a ruinous obsession with utility players and tinkering. It's a truly appalling fact that, with Ruud van Nistelrooy gone, none of United's outfield players have played in only one position at the club. A nadir was reached in the FA Cup game at Wolves last season, when nearly £60m of defensive and attacking talent (Ferdinand and Wayne Rooney) was used in the centre of midfield.

It is an increasingly inescapable conclusion that, unwittingly or otherwise, Ferguson is winding down, a prizefighter who no longer has the stomach or the wit for an admittedly enormous challenge which, once upon a time, he would have fervently inhaled. Like he did with Liverpool. Ferguson's almost maniacal yearning to "knock Liverpool off their fecking perch" was arguably the single most important factor in United's 1990s renaissance. It makes it all the more vicious an irony that, 10 years later, he should knock United off the perch he had made for them through increasingly rank mismanagement.


Indeed, it must irk him beyond belief that United are making exactly the same mistakes that Liverpool did: lack of pheromones in the transfer market; laughable, fall-back signings at suspicious and ridiculous prices; deluded ramblings ("we are as good as Chelsea, no question") - and, worst of all, a dressing-room where playing the field seems as important as playing the game. Liverpool's Spice Boys were bad, but they have nothing on Merk Berks like Ferdinand, Richardson and Wes Brown.

Ferguson has taken this end-of-an-empire template and, incredibly, managed to develop it: he's added a sprawling, outsized squad chock-full of obscenely well-paid deadwood; insultingly obvious spin that a two-year-old could see through (the Van Nistelrooy saga); economy with the truth (Ferguson ridiculed a journalist for saying that Paul Scholes had been scouting for United; a few days later Scholes confirmed the story); a coaching set-up that had Wayne Rooney playing wide for a season and turned Ronaldo from the world's most thrilling off-the-wall talent into a run-of-the-mill winger when he plays for United, as was confirmed by his liberated displays for Portugal at the World Cup.


Ferguson, an essentially honourable man, is partly suffering because of the impossibly high standards he set, and he carries the fatigued incomprehension of a man who is out of time. When he cites his favourite United team it is not the Treble-winners of 1999, but the Double-winners of 1994: Schmeichel, Bruce, Pallister, Ince, Keane, Hughes, Cantona, Robson - a team that dripped masculinity, who bonded over blockbusting Saturday-night sessions, who embodied the old-school values to which Ferguson can relate. Real men. The gentrification generation - sarong-wearing, pink champagne-swigging metrosexuals - are entirely beyond his comprehension. He could handle one, David Beckham, for a time before eventually giving up on him. Now he has a pack of them, for whom the hairdryer means only one thing - a trip to Toni & Guy. It is a different world. Ferguson probably doesn't even know what 'merk' means.

Everywhere, principles are being sacrificed. In years gone by Ferdinand - who for all his irrefutable ability is the type of character whose presence in a United shirt symbolises much of what has gone wrong with the club - would've been out the door faster than Paul Ince could say 'big-time Charlie', but now Ferguson can't afford to lose his only world-class defender. In years gone by he wouldn't have considered signing someone like Patrick Vieira, on grounds of age or character, but now he is left looking for someone, anyone, to appease the fans. In years gone by he would never have given a game to someone like John O'Shea, whose sole use is to put the podge in a hodgepodge midfield, or someone as meek as Darren Fletcher. In years gone by, he would never have sanctioned the mediocre football that, except for a few giddy weeks in the spring of 2003, United have played ever since Carlos Queiroz arrived in 2002 spouting gobbledygook disguised as continental sophistication.

And the thing is, it is only going to get worse: Liverpool, Arsenal and Tottenham have all made shrewd, cheap signings and are going in one direction. United are going the other way: they are hugely dependent on Ferdinand and Rooney, but no number of Carling Cup medals is going to sate their ambition. Then there is the Glazer factor, the full, inevitable horror of which is only just beginning to emerge. United fans think this season is going to be bad. It hasn't even started.
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Manchester United won the league and reached the semifinals of the CL.
 
Jojo <3 Mou said:
I saw this article written in 2006 and was struck by the similarities to our current situation and the things that are being said. It's as if history is repeating itself.

Yes, there are some fundamental differences, the most obvious bring that Mourinho isn't Sir Alex. But, this is a good reminder that future is unpredictable.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2006/jul/31/sport.comment



Manchester United won the league and reached the semifinals of the CL.
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Media talking shite since ever and it gets multiplied by 100 times nowadays due to SNS and such. Jose Mourinho might not be Sir Alex but people should remember that he is the manager Sir Alex hate the most, his kryptonite , His record against Mourinho was abysmal, almost embarassing for the man who has been considered as god of football.
 
Its make or break this season. Win or be sacked.
 
Bastian said:
When do we get the poll monsieur @Damien? He's been on the brink of being sacked to getting the full backing of the board in the last 24 hours (according to the Jose-obsessed press). I'm curious to see the actual split on the Caf with a Jose in / Jose out poll....
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Yes, I'm all for a poll now, simply for Jose in or Jose out. The divisions in the forum and the toxicity are increasing at an alarming rate. Would just like to know the gut feelings of everyone, not just the more vocal.
And yes, I know the media will put a negative ABU spin on it, whatever the outcome, but so be it.
 
Handsome Devil said:
Yes, I'm all for a poll now, simply for Jose in or Jose out. The divisions in the forum and the toxicity are increasing at an alarming rate. Would just like to know the gut feelings of everyone, not just the more vocal.
And yes, I know the media will put a negative ABU spin on it, whatever the outcome, but so be it.
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Oh feckin ell. Feck off with this and get behind the team for a new season - a stupid pool benefits nothing.
 
Even the media thinks we're falling behind in transferland - We ARE looking thin for the first two games.

I dont like the way Jose talks about his team, but essentially he is right that we need improvements. We are the biggest club in the world when it comes to the commercial side, and as this is his make or break it season I can understand his need for better players as every other contender has improved too (Liverpool / City)

This forum is so much doom, but at least let us remember we have progressed to 2nd place, and have had a good record against top 6. It is overall good signs. In the big picture this has been progressing in a stable way. Lets judge Mourinho on how he actually does this season and not on a burn the witch attitude. Im all for sacking him if he doesnt deliver, but lets please asses him on a real season and not a pre-season meltdown
 
fellaini's barber said:
That's the thing, we know in our hearts we wont be winning shit in the main competitions hence the pre season negativity
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Anything can happen.

This is Jose's last shot at salvaging his own reputation. Lots of hype have been created around hipster managers like Klopp, Poch and Sarri. Each of them have their own points to prove, so if Jose manages to finish ahead of them, maintaining the great big game record from last season and reaching CL QF while winning a domestic cup, he would have justified himself somewhat.

I am ruling out a title challenge though, unless we sign both a RW and a CB atleast. Even then, we have serious problems at the FB positions to catch City.
 
maniwin said:
Don't read media / twitter too much. He is going nowhere & you cannot even expect for it. His bad relationship with player & the board was created by media while infact the team spirit itself is perfectly fine.
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Agree. For me It's like the matrix, how do you want your manager...red or blue pill, truth or live the lie? The irony is often what Jose is saying is pretty true, just it's not palatable coming from the manager but we knew this before he came here as we did his style of football. If you want style over substance, watch Spurs and Liverpool as it's like my trip to The Casino. Had a great time, when I woke up the following morning, my wallet had nothing to show for it. Like most things in life, it's a balance as SAF did. It wasn't always pretty under him either nor was his press conferences.....but generally he always had something to show for it.
 
maniwin said:
Tell me anyone who can last longer than 3 seasons under Abramovich and Perez , I'll wait. He went from Porto to Chelsea and Inter to RM just like every employee want to have a better CV , salary , reputation and value. He is safe as long as he gets top 4 , for him , no bigger club he could possibly manage other than United , for the board, top 4 is good enough , they didn't sack Moyes and LVG till top 4 is Mathematically impossible to reach. Almost all our spine and senior player are behind him , De Gea, Bailly , Young , Valencia, Matic, Herrera ,Lukaku , Sanchez etc are all Mourinho-in , in RM he lost the dressing room after messing with club legend Saint Iker, second captain Sergio Ramos and their best player Ronaldo , in Chelsea he lost the dressing room after firing club favorite doctor Eva Carneiro , with us he only mess with Martial who has no power within the club.He is going nowhere , don't expect too much cause you will be disappointed , the sooner our fanbase realize that , the better.
The person below me is the example of reading twitter too much.
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Completely agree with you. The negativity on here based on purely rumours is kind of unbelievable, as is the amount of shit the media is making up on what seems to be an hourly basis.
 


Seems he's changed his tune a bit
 
Hitchez said:
He's a poisonous influence at the club. When a bunch of fans are so devoted to him that they are ready to blame the club ,Woodward, the players, the media and pretty much anyone but Jose himself you know the end is nigh. I'm now down to hoping his meltdown fizzles out and he's sacked before he's able to inflict too much damage on the club. We always knew he was something of a cnut but there's been no league titles to soothe over the rest of his baggage. He's not the same manager he was, not by a long shot.
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Agreed.
Sadly I can see Utd being like Chelsea of a few season ago where they will stop playing for him because his attitude is so bad and his public comments so scathing and humiliating for some players. I don't know how many of them can be happy with the drab football he has us playing.
I hope I'll be proved wrong but not going to hold my breath.
 
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