From what I've seen of him (not that much) I'd say he strikes me as a confident Tom Cleverley, on top of his game, with added work rate and better at long passes.
Jordy Clasie
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
Clevz would never hit a ball like that. This kid is already a better player than him
^ The pass at 2:55. Also I can't find a video of him lofting a pass halfway the length of a pitch perfectly to Welbeck.
Cleverley is capable of forward incisive passing. For whatever reason, (tactical instructions, lack of confidence, probably a bit of both) he's not attempted them this season. I don't think Clasie is a bad player, but I don't think we need him, and I certainly don't think Cleverley is worse than him.
I can see Van Gaal liking Cleverley and Welbeck, two players who like their pass and move football.
All we need to hear. Get it done.
His assist against Ecuador was obviously sensational, but the rest of his long-range passes went astray. His defensive game looked pretty sharp, though, he made some great interceptions.
When is Holland's next game?
When is Holland's next game?
It's hard to rate a young player coming through as often they can flourish with better players around them. It wasn't long ago that many were tipping Tunnicliffe to become a better player than Pogba!
Next game is in 12 days. Saturday 31st of May, Holland vs. Ghana.
And indeed, besides the assist most of his passes went astray. He has been good defensively in the Dutch league, playing with grit. But obviously players on the highest level like Ramires, Willian or Yaya would bully a midfield with Clasie on it. On the other hand, he might do well against Xavi/Iniesta type of players. And because he plays football in a technical way, it's nice to watch him.
All in all like I said, if Strootman, Afellay and Schaars weren't injured, he probably wouldn't have made the squad. Van Ginkel was an interesting option too, but he was also injured the whole season. And Daley Blind's performances in midfield in the Dutch league were on Clasie's level this season. Add De Guzman and Nigel de Jong to that, and Clasie would've been competing with Blind and Van Ginkel for the last spot on the squad if everyone was fit.
Don't really see any reason at all to assume he is (potentially) on Cleverly's level, although he's probably not that far off. Don't know how you all rate Joe Allen for instance, but I think he's better than Clasie too, only one year older. From what I've seen from Clasie in Holland, he's pretty much on Karim el Ahmadi's level when he played in Holland, he plays for Aston Villa now.
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Could anyone give an insight into the type of player he is? Would be a player you could play beside Carrick or one that would take his place in the side?
Thanks.
Thanks.
He's sort of like Cleverley, except he has balls.
This is what I'm really hoping for. Cleverley loves to pass and move at a fast pace and players with those attributes have generally struggled for us in the last few years (Kagawa and Mata to an extent) but it's a clear feature of van Gaal's style of play.
I know everyone's really down on Cleverley on here but I honestly fancy him to turn it around and remind us all why we were so excited about him breaking into the team in the first place.
I still have lots of hope for Cleverley too. He's a far better player than he showed last season. It's worth bearing in mind that Moyes seemed to have the midfielders under strict instruction to stay behind the play and play very conservatively. I agree that in a LVG style system and with the benefit of his coaching, Cleverley could be one of those players that flourishes.
Yep, I agree. He could be next seasons Jordan Henderson.
Christ! I still can't get my head around comparing someone to Henderson and it being a positive.
How do you rate him? I liked the look of him at LB during last summer's u21 Euros and I though he executed his midfield role against Ecuador very intelligently.
Thanks for the info regarding Holland's next game.
Played well in midfield against (an unmotivated) Barcelona when Ajax beat them in the CL this season too. All in all, he made his breakthrough as a left back for Ajax, great functional technique, nothing fancy but very good vision and passing. He lacks pace as a left back though, for playing against really good fast opponents. Midfield is his natural position, he is a player in the style of Giovanni van Bronckhorst. But where Gio made it to Barcelona and Arsenal, I have my doubts about Blind reaching that level. I'd say he would be an ideal multifunctional squad player for a team like Newcastle or perhaps Everton in the future.
He is a player who's very much influenced by his surroundings, he's a sweet, almost insecure fella. He needs to feel comfortable at a club. For instance at Ajax he excels now, because he feels very confident there. Born in Amsterdam, coming through the youth ranks, his dad having played there, he is very respected at Ajax and stated he wants to stay there for a while. Has captained them a couple of times this season and will be captain if Moisander leaves.
Anyone seen this picture yet by the way? RVP the MVP and classy Clasie when they were young.
If he'd got that pass wrong we wouldn't have a thread on this guy. Van Gaal will know far better than us what he's capable of so some people need to stop embarrassing themselves with their reaction. We are desperate for a few centre midfielders but people crying out to sign a player they've never even seen play?
Correct. In a proper footballing style of pass and move football Cleverly would shine. It's why he did so well at Wigan
I think boberto Martinez knows this and that's why he's after T Clev now.
Exactly this. If he had played a really good game against Ecuador (he was alright, nothing more, considering the quality of Ecuador) but RVP had missed the shot, there would be no discussion. I think he's a little better than Cleverley in that he isn't totally useless when the team doesn't have the ball, and is also younger. However, he clearly is not United standard. As a few have mentioned already, he's an Aston Villa, Swansea sort of player. Good player, well rounded, solid, but not what we need. Nowhere near. I don't think he'd get a game at the World Cup if their midfield wasn't in the state it is at the minute (just a general lack of quality there, plus injuries).
Edit: The bashing of Cleverley here is criminal. Kagawa, Mata, Berbatov will all be excused for a poor performance because they 'suit another style of play' but Cleverley is expected to fit us like a glove, perhaps because he is English? Granted, he has disappointed a little (he has stagnated, and sometimes makes glaringly bad mistakes when an opposition player drives into midfield) & is very low on confidence, but he'd look quite good if he played for a passing side, like Everton or Swansea. He wouldn't get into Arsenal's team, but he would not actually look so bad if they played him. It's all about style of play.
Did you just.....?
I dont know why anyone would think hes not good enough for us when he wins the ball so much, more than any of our players last season. He'd get in the team as the more defensive of our two CMs and he's not just a "destroyer" because he's as good a passer as our other cms and clearly a much better passer than Fellaini.
Certainly not the most exciting player to look at, but he's good at what he does and if he can carry that to a much better league he'd be a good player to have around.
Certainly not the most exciting player to look at, but he's good at what he does and if he can carry that to a much better league he'd be a good player to have around.
His name would be a perfect buy for Newcastle
That pass he played to RVP for the Holland goal the other night was Scholes esque
Reminds me of Jonjo Shelvey. Plays a tidy game based on technique but has grit about him too.
http://soccersweep.com/manchester-united-odds-on-with-bookie-to-sign-new-midfield-sensation/?
Manchester United ODDS ON favourite with bookie to sign new midfield sensation
The Dutch Xavi...Is this the reason we could be off Kroos?
This is an interesting one and a transfer that we could definitely see happening under the new Manchester United manager.
As most of you will know Robin Van Persie scored a fantastic goal for Holland last week against an Ecuador side captained by fellow Manchester United star Antonio Valencia.
You may also know that the exquisite pass that set up Van Persie’s goal was made by young Holland midfielder Jordy Clasie.
The 22-year-old has made a real impression in Holland since making his debut couple of years ago and has earned the nickname The Dutch Xavi.
Manchester United ODDS ON favourite with bookie to sign new midfield sensation
The Dutch Xavi...Is this the reason we could be off Kroos?
This is an interesting one and a transfer that we could definitely see happening under the new Manchester United manager.
As most of you will know Robin Van Persie scored a fantastic goal for Holland last week against an Ecuador side captained by fellow Manchester United star Antonio Valencia.
You may also know that the exquisite pass that set up Van Persie’s goal was made by young Holland midfielder Jordy Clasie.
The 22-year-old has made a real impression in Holland since making his debut couple of years ago and has earned the nickname The Dutch Xavi.
No.
We're off Kroos because we obviously cant get him since we cant do anything about Bayern wanting to use him next season and he has a contract
We're off Kroos because we obviously cant get him since we cant do anything about Bayern wanting to use him next season and he has a contract
It's not Kroos or Clasie and Fabregas or Clasie if we even want him. We will get our world class signing and maybe a youngster like Clasie.
Swansea seems much more realistic, but I think those rumours are from when Koeman (Clasies current coach) was still linked with them. Fiorentina made a 5 million bid for Clasie last year.
All in all I still see no reason to assume he's (potentially) better than Cleverly. Also see no reason to assume Van Gaal really likes him, let alone liking him so much he would take him to Manchester United.
Except, he would be a good and cheap replacement of Cleverly, if Everton made a good bid for him and Tom wants to leave us for them. Clasie would be willing to play as a back-up player, and he has played some excellent matches for my hometown club over the years. Has some international experience, but not much.
All in all it just feels so incredibly random. People talking about how he made so many good tackles, yeah, in the Dutch league. He was nowhere near Strootmans level when he still played in Holland last season. But Clasie strikes me as a player that would do well against Xavi/Iniesta type of players, so you never know, he might get a chance at the World Cup, our first match is against Spain. Although that would also surprise me too. But if he gets a chance and plays well, who knows what will hapen.
All in all I still see no reason to assume he's (potentially) better than Cleverly. Also see no reason to assume Van Gaal really likes him, let alone liking him so much he would take him to Manchester United.
Except, he would be a good and cheap replacement of Cleverly, if Everton made a good bid for him and Tom wants to leave us for them. Clasie would be willing to play as a back-up player, and he has played some excellent matches for my hometown club over the years. Has some international experience, but not much.
All in all it just feels so incredibly random. People talking about how he made so many good tackles, yeah, in the Dutch league. He was nowhere near Strootmans level when he still played in Holland last season. But Clasie strikes me as a player that would do well against Xavi/Iniesta type of players, so you never know, he might get a chance at the World Cup, our first match is against Spain. Although that would also surprise me too. But if he gets a chance and plays well, who knows what will hapen.
Well Strootman isnt just a bit better than Cleverley is he? He's miles better and if we wanted to sign him now he'll be expensive unlike Clasie.
Sure, but I genuinely hope we have some better ideas lined up than replacing Cleverley with Clasie, and the thought of having them both on our squad next season really makes me a bit sad
Really don't want Clasie. We've got enough average ffs & 'better than what we have' is hardly just the criteria we should be using otherwise we'd have a 500 man shortlist.
He can tackle and pass the ball, which is one skill more deserving of a squad place than Fellaini or Cleverley. We'd definitely still need another midfielder though, we'll probably dump a lot of money on Strootman
He isn't good, man. Put Cleverley in that current Dutch line-up or in the Eredivisie and I'm almost certain he'd do better.
A lot of players can tackle & pass, players better than Clasie too, he's just simply not good enough for us at the minute and I doubt he ever will be. I think Strootman's the only Dutch midfielder we should be looking at but he's a risk with his injury & it'll be typical us to splash out £30m on him when we could have had him for half that last year.
If Holland didn't have injury trouble I highly doubt Clasie would even be going to the World Cup.
If he's even comparable to Cleverley in terms of quality then he isn't good enough for what we need. We need two quality cms, not more relative dross.
In this scenario "quality" at least means they should be better than Carrick. At least. Someone who might be better than Cleverley would be a pointless signing, unless we want to replace Cleverley.
In this scenario "quality" at least means they should be better than Carrick. At least. Someone who might be better than Cleverley would be a pointless signing, unless we want to replace Cleverley.
We're not signing Clasie, can't see it tbh. I hear Swansea are after him anyway, thats more his level
Well of course they can but we dont have them and each season we mess up upgrading our CM.
I dont think Fellaini-Strootman or Cleverley-Strootman is going to match our domestic rivals so we need one big signing and then someone to help him.
If he is comparable to El Ahmadi then please no. Karim is a hard worker but extremely limited, Aston Villa should be aiming at better for their starting XI.
Haven't seen much myself but I haven't heard any Dutch fan speak too highly of him and think that he would be a top 4 player. I'll have to reserve my judgement to see if he plays in the WC.
I'd rather see a midfield 3 of Fletcher Cleverley and Fellaini for 38 games than that we sign this lad. If we do this, we might beter give up altogether in the transfermarket and start fielding all those academy players that we have, more likely to end up with a half decent midfield within a couple of years than if we go about or business signing the likes of Fellaini and than trying to rectify that by Clasie...God please help me !