Rio and Vidic were world class at their peak.
Evans had the potential, imo, to get to the level below them, very good player but not world class.
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Rio and Vidic were world class at their peak.
Evans had the potential, imo, to get to the level below them, very good player but not world class.
Reading Keane's book, it is very painful to watch Jonny Evans these days. He was destined to reach the very top (probably a bit better than Brown and Silvestre at their very best), but just stagnated for one reason or another, probably injuries. Won't mind at all if he's sold this summer if he doesn't improve quickly in the coming months.
For those who haven't read the book, what does it say about Evans exactly?
No. Hell be entering the age where players reach their physical and mental peak.
Fair enough. Even so, he's 3 years shy of 30, reaching his peak before that won't help him much if his fitness record doesn't improve. Do you honestly think it will?
He seems to have an recurring ankle problem.
He's an excellent defender who has demonstrated his ability in various times. He needs to play over 30 league games for at least one season(not likely to happen this season either).
I reckon he'll face the same fate as Welbeck.
I agree, and the sooner it happens the better. Im hoping we sign a solid CB in January. If that happens we can offload Evans. Lets not delay the inevitable.
I would wait until the for both summer for following reasons: We gave an chance to evaluate all our current center backs in a season with lower expectations; It'll be easier to identify the type of top CB we need after LvG has a clear idea of the level and potential of our current CBs; and, finally, better CBs won't be available until the summer.
Why not get rid of Jones and Smalling in the January as well then. In fact, let's buy 3 new CBs and give them no time what so ever to gel or become accustomed to a new Country/league/team. feck it if they don't settle or benefit the team in anyway, it doesn't matter, just get rid of that cnut Evans.
I mean we just bought Rojo and he has been outplayed by a 19 year old who's only played two professional games in his life, but that doesn't matter. I really hope you don't make decisions in real life.
Sometimes you just have to sit back and laugh at posts, and you do supply plenty of them.
Interesting. Wouldn't have imagined Evans being described as tough by Roy Keane considering how he (Evans) is on the pitch.
Why not get rid of Jones and Smalling in the January as well then. In fact, let's buy 3 new CBs and give them no time what so ever to gel or become accustomed to a new Country/league/team. feck it if they don't settle or benefit the team in anyway, it doesn't matter, just get rid of that cnut Evans.
I mean we just bought Rojo and he has been outplayed by a 19 year old who's only played two professional games in his life, but that doesn't matter. I really hope you don't make decisions in real life.
Sometimes you just have to sit back and laugh at posts, and you do supply plenty of them.
What the feck are you on?
All this shit you're talking about has nothing to do with with anything. You must be Northern Irish or from the republic, at least it will explain this blind devotion to your fellow Irishman Evans, I get it. Evans has been a first team player since the age of 19, is now almost 27 and has only had one truly superb season here (2011-12). Since then he hasn't produced the same consistency in quality over a sustained period of time. Your man simply hasn't made the grade here and unfortunately its mostly down to his absence through injury and the stop-starts that play havoc with him getting a rhythm going and hitting top form. So yes, why delay the inevitable and hold on to him? You seriously think he's going to turn a corner...you seriously think a player who has only managed 7 consecutive games for two whole fecking years is suddenly going to be more reliable as he gets older? Evans will probably stay on, and I bet we'll still be having this conversation next season.If I recall correctly from the Welbeck thread, you had no problem with us selling him because he was a squad player at best. At this rate Evans can't even be a reliable squad player. It buffles me that you think a player who spends a lot of time on the sidelines is more useful to United. All of a sudden it becomes crazy for someone like me to suggest Evans should meet the same fate. Evans has stagnated and deep inside you know this. Blind devotion.
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Most likely a 21 year old who has never played the game
I'll tell you someone who’s played the game and rated him highly, Sir Alex Ferguson, or do you and other members of RedCafe know more than him? David Moyes also rated him as does LVG it seems.
Not one person has been able to argue that Evans is as shit as they are making out, yet I’m the one not showing any basis for an argument. What I’ve read in the last few pages.
He was clearly at fault for Leicesters first goal – Wrong, it’s been discussed to death.
He’s been shit so far this season – Wrong, with the exception of the MK Dons game he has played well, we've looked more solid at the back before he went off injured against Leicester.
Blackett looks more experienced – Wrong. He has made massive mistakes this season, that’s to be expected as he is young and learning.
Hes not Rio or Vidic – Correct, not many are, also we have to remember those two built up a fantastic relationship, none of our CBs have had a chance to do that.
He's injury prone - Correct.
I could go on but I can’t be arsed.
Reductio ad Ferguson. You can't use Fergie as the ultimate trump card when people don't agree with you.
Getsme must be Johnny Evans himself. I like Evans and before the season started he would have been my first choice CB but the fact is he's been mostly shite this season. He was terrible against all of MK Dons, Burnley and the first half against QPR. Yes, we kept a clean sheet in the latter two but it wasn't because of Evans played well. He also did not do his job for the 1st Leicester goal despite getsme's best attempts to pretend otherwise.
If he can't proove that he can stay for an extended period of time this season then he should be sold. Same with Smalling.
If he can't proove that he can stay for an extended period of time this season then he should be sold. Same with Smalling.
It seems to be the thing to do these days. If Ferguson does/says something, it's 100% lawful truth.
"He’s been shit so far this season – Wrong, with the exception of the MK Dons game he has played well, we've looked more solid at the back before he went off injured against Leicester.
Blackett looks more experienced – Wrong. He has made massive mistakes this season, that’s to be expected as he is young and learning."
Both these points are utter bollocks :]. I'd give up talking to him as people have stated...it's most likely Johnny Evans himself.
What the feck are you on?
If I recall correctly from the Welbeck thread, you had no problem with us selling him because he was a squad player at best. At this rate Evans can't even be a reliable squad player. It buffles me that you think a player who spends a lot of time on the sidelines is more useful to United. All of a sudden it becomes crazy for someone like me to suggest Evans should meet the same fate. Evans has stagnated and deep inside you know this. Blind devotion.
What am I on? No idea, however maybe I have a bit of common sense and that's what's confusing you.
You want to get rid of Evans no matter what. I think your words were 'the sooner we get rid of him the better' Why? What benefit is it to the team getting rid of him in January? You have yet to give one valid reason yet go on and on about it. Do you not think it would be more beneficial to keep him around, then if we do buy another CB It will give him time to establish himself in the team? What's so hard to understand about that? Do you think a Rojo has settled into the team well? I sure as hell don't, will he? Most likely but it will take time. Vidic and Evra are a good example of January signings needing time.
Yes Evans has been a first team member for 7 or 8 years but he was up against two of the best defenders the Club has had in recent times, yet he still managed to play a bigger part than both of them over the last couple of seasons.
Injuries have been his biggest nemesis, not talent. When he has had a run of games he has played very very well, in fact I think he was in the team of the group stages in last years Champions league, but let's ignore that as it doesn't suit your agenda. It's obvious that no matter what Evans does he will simply be deemed not good enough by some, which is complete bollocks.
As for using my nationality as a reason for defending Evans, all that shows is your immaturity and lack of ability to come up with any sound reasons as to why we should get rid of Evans, apart from the usual 'he's always injured line' which you bring up time and time again, its getting boring now, it's not as if that's breaking news.
I've also defended Valencia, Rooney, Young, Jones, Fellaini, Lingard plus many other players when they have had unjust criticism thrown there way, make of that what you will?
I had no problem getting rid of Welbeck because he had Rooney, RVP, Falcao, Wilson and Januzaj in front of him, that's the big difference and the thing you clearly don't understand. We have had to play two youth players this season as our three main CBs are injured, yet you want to get rid of one without giving any new players coming in time to settle or to see if they are good actually good enough.
If we buy new CBs and they give us the much needed consistency we need, who knows maybe McNair (oops better not say him as he's Northern Irish) will become a regular, then we can sell Evans, Jones or Smalling, maybe all three, until then they will stay.
It's not blind devotion as you said it's common fecking sense.
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Oooh FFS
Giving away a penalty and getting sent off is a massive mistake, TBF. Don't agree with the first point though.
You seem to be missing the 's' on the end of mistake.
I'd totally agree with 'mistake' :PThat's one fecked up post.
I think 19 year old Jonny Evans would beat up 26 year old Jonny Evans.
Johnny, you should be taking criticism on board and improving your game mate.
Getme are you still defending Johnny Evans?
I admire your persistence but saying he is great over and over again doesn't make it true.
I am not surprised that the majority of united fans realise the obvious that he isn't good enough, I am surprised though that it took this long!
I admire your persistence but saying he is great over and over again doesn't make it true.
I am not surprised that the majority of united fans realise the obvious that he isn't good enough, I am surprised though that it took this long!
I may be counting pre-season in my mind, he had an absolute mare on the right side of a back three at some point, made Blackett on the left look like Beckenbauer.
Agreed, he's only gotten worse, seemingly.
I still hold out hope he'll pull it together, he's worth keeping as a back-up at least, he's had his days with Drogba in his pocket.
What the feck are you on?
If I recall correctly from the Welbeck thread, you had no problem with us selling him because he was a squad player at best. At this rate Evans can't even be a reliable squad player. It buffles me that you think a player who spends a lot of time on the sidelines is more useful to United. All of a sudden it becomes crazy for someone like me to suggest Evans should meet the same fate. Evans has stagnated and deep inside you know this. Blind devotion.
Are the buffles contagious?
I think he should move for his career. Everton would be an excellent place for him. Distin very much aging, Jagielka past 30. He could be an excellent addition there.
How about you tag me so I know when your talking about me.
I don't have to say it over and over again, he is a very good player, that isn't the issue. It's his injuries that have stopped him, not his talent.
Some seem to be incapable of separating the two.
I don't know how to tag! Excuse me for my lack of e-competance.
This is where you are inexcusably wrong, he is not a very good player, the fact you seem to have convinced yourself this is true is odd and this is the issue.
He wouldn't get into the starting 11 for any of the top 4 (Man city, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool). In truth only the first 3 teams listed there posses 'very good' central defenders.
He showed some promise and that is it.
His injuries have given you an excuse as to why he hasn't been great, but the truth is he has had enough time injuries aside to prove himself but he is 27 and remains a mediocre player.
You're excused.
Evans got into a Championship winning team, something which one of those teams haven't won, another hasn't won for 10 years and one hasn't won it for 5 years. He is also played every game in 08/09 when the defence set the world league clean sheet record by not conceding a single goal for 1,311 minutes.
More recently, during Sir Alex Fergusons last title winning season, when Evans was in the team we averaged 2.7 points per game, he was in the team of the group stages for last seasons Champions League and was being touted as a potential captain for the club this season.
2008–09 17 appearances in PL - Champions
2009–10 18 appearances IN PL - Second
2010–11 13 appearances in PL - Champions
2011–12 29 appearances in PL - Second
2012–13 23 appearances in PL - Champions
2013–14 17 appearances in PL - Seventh
2014–15 03 appearances in PL - Unknown.
Not bad for a shit player. As I've said 1000 times now, it's his injuries that's the problem, not his talent.
That is not a reflection of him as a player though is it, because there are so many players who feature in successful teams that aren't great players, its a stupid debate.
Just because the team as a whole achieved past success does not mean he is currently a good player. In Ferguson's last season he only made 23 appearances (just over half the total premier league games) and we scrapped the title. Ferdinand and Vidic were struggling with injuries and would have been in there if fit. Which clearly displays the level of his ability.
If you notice the ongoing trend is that he has progressively played less games over the course of the seasons and he has also got progressively worse since his so called amazing season.
You keep referring to a season which happened 6 years ago, one which he only player half the game! since then he has regressed and that is a fact. He is actually getting worse with age.
It doesn't matter about the positions of the teams I've listed over the past years its irrelevant, it matters about the quality that they hold now and the quality of the player we are comparing them with - NOW.
You sound like a deluded Liverpool fan who goes on and fixates on former glories!
I think you could do with just being a bit more realistic and admitting that he just had 1 good season and that you over rate his ability.
Thank you
Sorry but
It's no more laughable than the drivel you posted. That Evans was a good player in 08/09 is indisputable, whether he's a useful member of the squad going forward as a 26 year old, inconsistent, injury prone mess of an "experienced" central defender is another matter altogether. We shouldn't settle for mediocrity, especially in central defence. Jonny Evans will never be world class, yet takes minutes off defenders who could reach that level in Jones and Rojo, that's reason enough for him to be out the door.Sorry but
It's the Cleverley syndrome all over again. A good season or two a few years back, homegrown, inconsistent, injury prone - and the second he's out the door nobody will be mourning his absence.
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What drivel?
Well, funnily enough we could even see a pattern in the data you posted on a season to season basis which contradicts your "Evans is great" thesis.
2008–09 17 appearances in PL - Champions.-----------Evans plays a decent/low amount of games, Champions.
2009–10 18 appearances IN PL - Second.---------------Evans plays slightly more games. Not Champions.
2010–11 13 appearances in PL - Champions------------Evans plays far less games. Champions.
2011–12 29 appearances in PL - Second----------------Evans plays far more games. Not Champions.
2012–13 23 appearances in PL - Champions-----------Evans plays less games. Champions.
2013–14 17 appearances in PL - Seventh---------------Moyes
2014–15 03 appearances in PL - Unknown.
So I don't know how that data suggests Evans was a major factor in us winning titles, but...whatever.
He really is a rather pointless member of a title-contending squad at present. What's the point of a supposedly experienced squad-level defender if he's never available and isn't even very good when he's slotted back into the side.
Sorry but
Classic sign of submitance in an argument, you had a sign an opportunity to counter but resorted to a smiley face.
I will even give you another opportunity to respond to my previous post with a constructive argument. But the reality is you can't argue with what I said.
You have no where to go.
What utter tosh. How can a player who played that many games be considered a pointless member of the team, posts like this one is the main reason I come on here to defend Evans. It just goes to show how fickle some of our fans are,
Sometimes a smiley face will do, especially when your post is 100% bollocks.