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He's so lucky to be playing so many games for United. He's just not that good.
Finding it difficult to defend my position? Where? Any chance you could point it out for me?You are guilty of dounle standards here, and that is why you are finding it increasingly difficult to defend your position.
You say Jonny's decision to pass the responsibility of marking Ulloa onto Rafael, in case he may be able to cut out a cross. He doesn't know how that cross will be delivered. A looping cross or, as happened, one pulled back a little more, and he is stranded.
Yet you are willing to criticise Blackett's position. Look at the first frame in that sequence.
If Blackett looks around there, he sees two on one in the box, and no other Leicester players in advance of our midfield.
The danger therefore is Vardy. If he cuts in past Rojo, he has a free run on goal, or pull back, or to delay for reenforcements.
For me Blackett makes the right call on this goal.
The bulk of the blame should be Rojo's (after the lino), but Jonny effectively surrendered responsibility for what happened after.
MK Dons, he was rubbish, as was everyone.Hardly.
He's been terrible so far this season. Shit against MK Dons, dodgy against Burnley and QPR (first half anyway) and mistake against Leicester.
Finding it difficult to defend my position? Where? Any chance you could point it out for me?
I didn’t say he passed the responsibility to Rafael, I said he took a position that he thought was the best area to clear the cross, and of course he doesn’t know what ball is going to come but he has to try and read the game. The cross was fantastic, the movement from Ulloa was good, so much so that Rafael didn’t even challenge him.
Jonny is not innocent here but he is far from being at fault for the goal. As for Blackett, he was in no mans land when the cross came in, the midfield aren’t even in the frame, Evans was in an area of the pitch where he could try and clear the cross and Rafael had lost his man.
You are correct in saying the Bulk of the Blame should land with Rojo being bullied of the ball, Evans and Rafael were beaten by the quality of the cross, as vie said what feels like a 1000 times now, Leicesters attacking play should be applauded.
MK Dons, he was rubbish, as was everyone.
Burnley 0-0
QPR 4-0
Leicester 1-2 before he went off.
Blacketts position is not good, but he can be forgiven for that as he is young and inexperienced, however by the time the cross comes in he is nowhere near where he needs to be. He became redundant.Blackett is covering Rojo is positioning is good, Evans makes a mistake but he is not particularly responsible for the goal.
Hardly.
He's been terrible so far this season. Shit against MK Dons, dodgy against Burnley and QPR (first half anyway) and mistake against Leicester.
Against Burnley it was his first game back in a new formation, yet they still managed to keep a clean sheet. Against QPR, he cleared one off the line and had a very comfortable game. Before he went off injured against Leicester he was having a good game, how we could have done with him in defence in the second half. But no, hes been shit from the first minute to the lastAnd?
He was dodgy against both Burney and QPR, mainly his passing.
Those who defend him are morons. He didn't even know where the attacker was in the build up to the goal. He was carried by Rio and Vidic at times. He needs to be replaced as soon as because he is not united quality, every time he is in the team we look vulnerable and shaky.
Blacketts position is not good, but he can be forgiven for that as he is young and inexperienced, however by the time the cross comes in he is nowhere near where he needs to be. He became redundant.
You could blame the midfield for not supporting the defence, you could blame Rojo for not being strong enough, Evans for not heading it away, Rafael for losing his man, you could blame a 1000 things but you can’t solely blame one player. It’s a good goal, a fantastic cross and a bullet of a header.
As someone just reading through, you are arguing against valid points, and not convincingly.Finding it difficult to defend my position? Where? Any chance you could point it out for me?
in response to: You say Jonny's decision to pass the responsibility of marking Ulloa onto Rafael, in case he may be able to cut out a crossI didn’t say he passed the responsibility to Rafael,
Which is where he failed. Rojo and Blackett "covering the man with the ball, Jonny not recognising that he should be marking the centre forward (CB lesson 101)I said he took a position that he thought was the best area to clear the cross, and of course he doesn’t know what ball is going to come but he has to try and read the game. The cross was fantastic, the movement from Ulloa was good, so much so that Rafael didn’t even challenge him.
WrongJonny is not innocent here but he is far from being at fault for the goal
As I said, if Tyler has taken a look, he sees no immediate danger coming from midfield. His choice is to make up 3 men marking one in the box, or cover his fullback. He makes the right choice. Even then, by your standards for Jonny, he is in a position to cut out a cross, if he is fortunate enough for Vardy to hit it straight to him.As for Blackett, he was in no mans land when the cross came in, the midfield aren’t even in the frame,
Rafael has the least blame in all of this, and this illustrates the first part of my post. You are willing to stretch opportioning the blame ridiculously, in an effort to exhonorate Evans.and Rafael had lost his man.
Blacketts position is not good, but he can be forgiven for that as he is young and inexperienced, however by the time the cross comes in he is nowhere near where he needs to be. He became redundant.
You could blame the midfield for not supporting the defence, you could blame Rojo for not being strong enough, Evans for not heading it away, Rafael for losing his man, you could blame a 1000 things but you can’t solely blame one player. It’s a good goal, a fantastic cross and a bullet of a header.
As someone just reading through, you are arguing against valid points, and not convincingly.
in response to: You say Jonny's decision to pass the responsibility of marking Ulloa onto Rafael, in case he may be able to cut out a cross
Which is where he failed. Rojo and Blackett "covering the man with the ball, Jonny not recognising that he should be marking the centre forward (CB lesson 101)
Wrong
As I said, if Tyler has taken a look, he sees no immediate danger coming from midfield. His choice is to make up 3 men marking one in the box, or cover his fullback. He makes the right choice. Even then, by your standards for Jonny, he is in a position to cut out a cross, if he is fortunate enough for Vardy to hit it straight to him.
Rafael has the least blame in all of this, and this illustrates the first part of my post. You are willing to stretch opportioning the blame ridiculously, in an effort to exhonorate Evans.
You have an agenda, just as much as those who are slaughtering Evans, when it is a case of form being a good player's problem, and not "Evans is shit!"
You would be better arguing that, than trying to make excuses for an isolated incident, for which he is receiving warranted flack.
How can you blame the midfield? It was straight from kick off and the long pass and Rojo error took them out of the game. Blackett was covering for Rojo because he was 1v1 against Vardy and struggling t odefend. There are only two players to blame for that goal - Evans and Rojo.
Against Burnley it was his first game back in a new formation, yet they still managed to keep a clean sheet. Against QPR, he cleared one off the line and had a very comfortable game. Before he went off injured against Leicester he was having a good game, how we could have done with him in defence in the second half. But no, hes been shit from the first minute to the last
Absolute rubbish, the midfield is nowhere to be seen, yes it was along ball and it was from the kick off, so where was our midfield? There was no tracking back at all. Vardy managed to get the cross in and still there was no sign of our midfield.How can you blame the midfield? It was straight from kick off and the long pass and Rojo error took them out of the game. Blackett was covering for Rojo because he was 1v1 against Vardy and struggling t odefend. There are only two players to blame for that goal - Evans and Rojo.
And Rafael when the cross is made he has to jump infront of Ulloa, but he isn't defensively savvy so it's understandable.
I agree that he is far from his best form, however, our worst defender? Thats disputable to say the least, none of them have any reason to hold their head up high.You must be watching different games. First half against QPR there were several times when he either misplaced his pass or underhit them severely and putting everyone else under pressure. Looked very dodgy against Burnley as well.
He's usually a lot better than he's shown so far but there's no hiding from the fact that he's been poor so far this season. All things considered, our worst defender this season.
The scores don't mean much when it comes to analyzing individual performances. He has been poor this season to date. And injured twice on top of that.MK Dons, he was rubbish, as was everyone.
Burnley 0-0
QPR 4-0
Leicester 1-2 before he went off.
Absolute rubbish, the midfield is nowhere to be seen, yes it was along ball and it was from the kick off, so where was our midfield? There was no tracking back at all. Vardy managed to get the cross in and still there was no sign of our midfield.
I agree that he is far from his best form, however, our worst defender? Thats disputable to say the least, none of them have any reason to hold their head up high.
Rafael has no chance against Ulloa, I don't blame him in the slightest. Evans should be dealing with that or at least putting some sort of challenge in. He ends up doing nothing.
I know, i already said it in an earlier post, but in the spirit he should have anticipated, he could have failed but he should have made the movement.
What truth? Im defending him from those that say that goal was clearly Evans fault, yet you come in and call anyone who disagrees a moron. Thats what im laughing at, not your post. You.Does the truth hurt?
The whole Johnny Evans debate gets boring, its clear as day that Manchester united and johhny evans are a million miles apart in the standards they deliver. Manchester united are expected to be at the pinnacle of world football, whilst johhny evans is just a weak and inconsistent mediocre footballer that came through the ranks and has been given privileges other players havent.
We need to get realistic and invest heavily in defence, sentiment has caused too many problems of late.
The midfield could have done literally (lol) nothing. The long ball towards Rojo took out Di Maria and the CM's. From that point on either Rojo has to deal with the situation by putting the ball out or the CB's have to deal with the cross. Blackett does the right thing by trying to cover for Rojo who was beaten by Vardy. It's then up to Evans to put a challenge on Vardy, which he doesn't.
Funny how you accuse others of having an agenda while at the same time blaming everyone else.
Lets be honest here, Jones, Smalling and Blackett have been far from convincing this season. The only one whos played well is Rafael and Rojo against QPR.The only one who's been as bad is Rojo and he has the excuse of playing in an unfamiliar position and being new to the club. All the others have been better not that it says much about them.
There are many factors here that lead to the goal, but the biggest was the cross and the way the goal was executed.
Agree about Smalling and Blackett, but I think Jones has been the best.Lets be honest here, Jones, Smalling and Blackett have been far from convincing this season. The only one whos played well is Rafael and Rojo against QPR.
I'm sorry mate, and I know you mean something else but
Just, but hes as injury prone as Evans, thats the problem for me with Evans. When he gets a run of games hes a very good player, but he cant get them because of injuries. I know this recent injury isnt muscular but its getting very frustrating.Agree about Smalling and Blackett, but I think Jones has been the best.
That's why it gives me a headache. If we could field the same defence for more than a couple of games we would see improvements, then judge the players on their best standards and team effectiveness and cohesion.Just, but hes as injury prone as Evans, thats the problem for me with Evans. When he gets a run of games hes a very good player, but he cant get them because of injuries. I know this recent injury isnt muscular but its getting very frustrating.
Against Burnley it was his first game back in a new formation, yet they still managed to keep a clean sheet. Against QPR, he cleared one off the line and had a very comfortable game. Before he went off injured against Leicester he was having a good game, how we could have done with him in defence in the second half. But no, hes been shit from the first minute to the last
I’m giving my opinion, if you don’t agree with them then that’s fine. Yes he failed to read the game but that was mainly down to the quality of the cross, a cross that should never have been for more reasons than one.As someone just reading through, you are arguing against valid points, and not convincingly.
in response to: You say Jonny's decision to pass the responsibility of marking Ulloa onto Rafael, in case he may be able to cut out a cross
Which is where he failed. Rojo and Blackett "covering the man with the ball, Jonny not recognising that he should be marking the centre forward (CB lesson 101)
Wrong
As I said, if Tyler has taken a look, he sees no immediate danger coming from midfield. His choice is to make up 3 men marking one in the box, or cover his fullback. He makes the right choice. Even then, by your standards for Jonny, he is in a position to cut out a cross, if he is fortunate enough for Vardy to hit it straight to him.
Rafael has the least blame in all of this, and this illustrates the first part of my post. You are willing to stretch opportioning the blame ridiculously, in an effort to exhonorate Evans.
You have an agenda, just as much as those who are slaughtering Evans, when it is a case of form being a good player's problem, and not "Evans is shit!"
You would be better arguing that, than trying to make excuses for an isolated incident, for which he is receiving warranted flack.
Yep, it’s more than frustrating, it’s hampered us for 3 seasons now. I’m hoping Rojo can become a constant alongside Shaw and not fall into the 'permanently injured' category. A solid back four would do wonders for usThat's why it gives me a headache. If we could field the same defence for more than a couple of games we would see improvements, then judge the players on their best standards and team effectiveness and cohesion.
Right now it is like a revolving door to a clinic's waiting room.