I love how people are over analysing this. Is Evans at fault? A case can be made either way but at the end of the day, it's a game of football and it's not black and white, he has a different view at ground level to what we have on TV. He may or may not have got things wrong, we don't know what information he got from Rafael and De Gea, we won't accept that it was a pinpoint cross and a great header, it has to be someone's fault.
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Well yes, one of the magical parts of forming an opinion is seeing what you want to see. Rafael should never be man marking the central striker in the middle of the pitch. Even more especially that his center half is standing about a yard and a half away beside him.
Come up with your own reason, or do you now have to go looking for reasons to blame him?
He made an individual error. But also the team defended the whole thing poorly, Rojo, Blackett and Rafa as well. Team blame, I say.
I'm not blaming or defending him, Blackett, Rojo and Evans all made errors.
At the end of the day though, if Evans marks the man rather than the space then Ulloa's chance of scoring is significantly reduced. Sure it happens very quick and making that decision is hard, but that's what is the difference between world class and good defenders.
Actually you’re not, People display bias when they gather or remember information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way. Therefore you are only seeing what you want to see and coming to a misguided opinion.
Lets be honest here, if Evans had been marking Ulloa and Ulloa scored we would be blaming Evans for not winning the header, not stopping the cross, not being strong enough, being out of position, not taking control of the box or any other reason that comes to the top of our heads, while the other three defenders and midfielders who didn’t track back off scot free.
MK Dons agreed. That was his worst performance since that 4-0 loss at West Ham a few years back.
Apart from his distribution not being up to his usual (high) standard I think he has been okay. It hasn't been his defending that has been much of an issue more lack of concentration in possession.
Most frustrating thing is these injuries. Would like to see him partnered with Rojo/Smalling/Jones for a few games when fit.
If Rojo is stronger there is no goal, if Blackett stays in shape the chances of a goal are massively reduced, if Evans stops the cross the chances of a goal are massively reduced and if Rafael or Evans challenges his man the chances of a goal are reduced.
Evans took the right option to try and stop the cross getting into the box, the cross was perfect. As I said sometimes you have to applaud the goal.
Laugh all you want but I’ve yet to hear one sound reason as to why he is to blame, but yeah if it makes you feel better, laugh away. Take it you can't up with your own reason then?
I care nought for Evans, have also defended him saying it took a near perfect cross and header to breach our defense. You've obviously developed a sentimental attachment to Johnny Evans so I find it ironic you could be calling someone else biased when you are unwilling as it seems to even apportion any blame to him for the goal. Consider this washing my hands of the incident, he deserves blame for waving in his midget fullback instead of realizing the danger and manning up on the giant striker that happened to be in the center of the park in the box.
You could probably argue that but I would retort a little pearl of wisdom from yourself a few posts back. 'Could have, should have, would have'. If he was better positioned goal side while tightly marking at that particular angle positionally he would have certainly won the header, I have no doubts of that.
My reasons are the ones provided on my post. With pictorial evidence. If Jonny marks the man rather than fobbing off a 6ft 3 aerial beast on to Rafael then we don't concede, therefore he fecked up.
I'm not sure what you mean "your own reason", that is my own reason. If YOU cannot accept he made the wrong decision then that's fine. You say Evans tried to stop the cross, how can he stop the cross from 10 metres away? He need's to worry about the man in the box not the ball coming in!.
He is at fault, as is every player on the pitch. However he is far from bring the main culprit that many have suggested. As I said, he is the new scapegoat and I feel that I have to defend him in circumstances that clearly aren’t his fault. I have blasted him when he deserved it, and at times he has been awful, but Leicester first goal was not one of them.
If he was better positioned he would have stopped the cross therefore completely eliminating the threat on goal, he was dragged out of position due to Blackett getting sucked into the ball, he assumed Ulloa was marked and got in position to clear the ball from the cross.
Pretty much what I've said myself when they scored this goal. Evans goes full pedestrian, he doesn't really position himself to either head the ball away at near post nor does he mark a striker that's physically superior to Rafael. He's doing nothing there. For me, when there's a CB and a RB in the box and a lone striker to mark, it's quite obvious who should take him, especially that Evans wasn't like 10 yards away from him but whole fecking two.
How do you know we dont concede? The only way we dont concede is if Rojo wasnt so easily bullied off the ball.
We don't concede because I generously assume that a competent centre back can head clear a cross. With Evans nowadays that might not be the case.....
How do you know we dont concede? The only way we dont concede is if Rojo wasnt so easily bullied off the ball.
Evans was certainly at fault. He should be the one marking Ulloa and put some pressure on him. Ulloa might have still scored but to allow him an unopposed header in the box is criminal. Rojo still takes the major share of the blame for being bullied off the ball.
Exactly it's an individual error, things like that happens, there is no need to blame him 2 days after the game.
That’s what I mean by your own reason, he obviously made the wrong decision because we conceded, however his reasons for doing so were made harder due to Blackett getting sucked into the ball which made his decision all that more difficult to decide.
Stop the cross from 10 metres? No idea what you’re talking about.
Oh FFS, so attackers dont score headers now?
Vardy crossed the ball from the touchline, how was Evans supposed to stop him crossing it?. Unless you mean he was trying to cut out a low cross at the front post, but that was taking a big risk IMO.
Actually his decision was made easier, if you are alone you mark your man, you don't try to anticipate or intercept.
To stop the cross getting to the attacking player. If the cross hadn't have been as good Ive no doubt that Evans would have cleared it, therefore eliminating the danger 100%
Competent centre backs should be able to win those aerial duels 10/10, see: Vidic, Ferdinand before they got decrepit. Especially when they had plenty of time to identify the threat and mark their man. Evans had literally 5 seconds to realise that Ulloa was the only threat in the box, he failed to do so, fobbed him off on Rafael and we conceded due to his poor decision.
He wasn't alone?
They didnt win their arial battles all of time, no defender has. In situations like that the attacker has the benefit as he can attacked the cross.
Yeah Rafael was there but he can't compete with Ulloa, that's what i meant by alone. It was Evans or Blackett duty to take care of Ulloa, not Rafael.
Evans job was to eliminate the danger, he was pulled out of position due to Blacketts lack of experiance. He had to try and stop the cross getting to the attacking player, its that simple, 9 times out of 10 he would have cleared that. As I've said a few times now, sometimes you have to applaud the attacking play.
It's not that simple, he made a mistake by choosing the wrong option and Blackett position was irrevelant since there was only one opponent in the box. You can try to cut if you are outnumbered but it wasn't the case.
Oh FFS, how does Blackett being out of position not have nothing to do with it? How did he make the wrong decision? If you eliminate the danger you eliminate the chances of conceding a goal. Id imagine most CB’s would have taken that option, it wasn’t his decision making that cost us, it was the cross, as close to perfect as you are going to get.
Your post is exactly what I’m talking about when I mention about Evans being the scapegoat, it’s laughable.
I'm not making a scapegoat, i don't blame him i don't resent him, mistake like that happens all the time, it's not a big deal. But saying that he isn't at fault is stupid.
I give upI'm not making a scapegoat, i don't blame him i don't resent him, mistake like that happens all the time, it's not a big deal. But saying that he isn't at fault is stupid.
Blackett position is irrelevant, Evans has no reason to be where he is.
Only played 2 and half games this season after having come back from injury and now he is deemed shit and not United quality. 2 1/2 games. One poor game, one good game and another where he was subbed off.
Definitely the new scapegoat
Definitely the new scapegoat
Exactly. We could blame every player if we wanted, but sometimes you just have to sit back and admire the attack.
my only concern with Evans is that he is picking up injury after injury.
Form comes and goes but becoming injury prone is a real concern for his longevity and building a consistent defence. Same applies to Rafa
Form comes and goes but becoming injury prone is a real concern for his longevity and building a consistent defence. Same applies to Rafa
From Belfast, so naturally I'll support Evans here...
Nah, let's call a spade, a spade. He's been shite all season. Terrible defender and will be sold unless he dramatically turns it around.
Evans was definitely at fault for their first goal. Not even in question. Standing their marking no one, ball-watching.
Rafael getting blamed for it was ridiculous. At least the wee man actually tried to get a challenge in.
Nah, let's call a spade, a spade. He's been shite all season. Terrible defender and will be sold unless he dramatically turns it around.
Evans was definitely at fault for their first goal. Not even in question. Standing their marking no one, ball-watching.
Rafael getting blamed for it was ridiculous. At least the wee man actually tried to get a challenge in.
You are guilty of dounle standards here, and that is why you are finding it increasingly difficult to defend your position.
You say Jonny's decision to pass the responsibility of marking Ulloa onto Rafael, in case he may be able to cut out a cross. He doesn't know how that cross will be delivered. A looping cross or, as happened, one pulled back a little more, and he is stranded.
Yet you are willing to criticise Blackett's position. Look at the first frame in that sequence.
If Blackett looks around there, he sees two on one in the box, and no other Leicester players in advance of our midfield.
The danger therefore is Vardy. If he cuts in past Rojo, he has a free run on goal, or pull back, or to delay for reenforcements.
For me Blackett makes the right call on this goal.
The bulk of the blame should be Rojo's (after the lino), but Jonny effectively surrendered responsibility for what happened after.
Become the new Cleverley scapegoat
Hardly.
He's been terrible so far this season. Shit against MK Dons, dodgy against Burnley and QPR (first half anyway) and mistake against Leicester.
Was going to dispute this, as the discussion with Getsme might give a false impression.
So I read back to check, and some of the shit being flung is ridiculous.
So, yeah you're right.