Jonny Evans | 2011/12 Performances

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Didn't think he was noticeably bad at all. Fellaini and Jelavic were both excellent with their back to goal holding the ball up against him but no-one was gettin past him. Dont think the centre defence were helped by the midfield who were outnumbered 3 v 2 and the fullbacks who switched off a number of times.
 
He was only really at fault for the third goal. First was a quality header, second a great volley, third he got it wrong but Rafael could have been tighter on the cover, fourth Rafael completely let pienaar go.
 
Ash_G said:
He was only really at fault for the third goal. First was a quality header, second a great volley, third he got it wrong but Rafael could have been tighter on the cover, fourth Rafael completely let pienaar go.
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He should've been much tighter on the 4th, you can't let a forward turn and pick out a pass in the box so easily.

I agree with the poster above, we should stop trying to lay blame at individuals, as a defensive unit we simply were not good enough!
 
Guybrush Threepwood said:
He should've been much tighter on the 4th, you can't let a forward turn and pick out a pass in the box so easily.

I agree with the poster above, we should stop trying to lay blame at individuals, as a defensive unit we simply were not good enough!
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Yeah but the pass was so easy because Rafael completely left his man which you don't expect. Fellani is a strong player he can't just knock him off the ball in the box.
 
Guybrush Threepwood said:
Rafael getting the blame for the 3rd too? Ha ha, you lot are mad, balls drop in the box, it's difficult to judge where, the striker got lucky.

Evans was at fault on the 3rd, no need to come over to Rio's man, silly decision.
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The striker got 'lucky' because he was anticipating. Rafael reacted slowly.
 
For 80 minutes he was actually ok today but switching off and getting exposed at the most vital times has cost us the game and possibly more and he has left himself wide open for criticism. At any other club this would be dismissed as a blip but it will always raise questions with a United player because of whats at stake. We needed a rock in those last ten minutes and Jonny fell short unfortunately, but he wasn't alone in that.

Saf mentioned a lack of concentration after the match and that was evident with all of our defenders today. Rio and Evra deserve the most scrutiny for that because yet again their supposed experience was non-existent.

We have coped well at times defensively this year but it also cant be ignored that we have looked a shambles at the back far too often and that is backed up by a fact the commentator mentioned when he said we have conceded more premier league goals this year than any other United side in the last 20 years.

Anyone who thinks Vidic won't walk straight back into the team next year is in for a shock. Can't help but think with him in there we are a far stronger defensive unit for various reasons.
 
Cutch said:
Didn't think he was noticeably bad at all.
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How bad does he have to be before he's noticably bad?

Seriously. There's some kind of Dalglish-esque cult warp thing going on with Evans on here.

If he plays quite well, he's the best defender in history. If he plays ok but makes some mistakes, he played really well and the mistakes were someone elses fault (or I just made them up in my head). If he plays badly, it's because the entire defence played badly.

A lot of his performances this season have been in the middle bracket, against sides not good enough to capitalise on his errors. He's played well in some games too, but not often or nearly well enough to overlook him falling to pieces when we have other, less risky options available.
 
He was quite bad today. Should have done better for three of the goals.

Rafael was abysmal defensively as well.
 
noodlehair said:
How bad does he have to be before he's noticably bad?

Seriously. There's some kind of Dalglish-esque cult warp thing going on with Evans on here.

If he plays quite well, he's the best defender in history. If he plays ok but makes some mistakes, he played really well and the mistakes were someone elses fault (or I just made them up in my head). If he plays badly, it's because the entire defence played badly.

A lot of his performances this season have been in the middle bracket, against sides not good enough to capitalise on his errors. He's played well in some games too, but not often or nearly well enough to overlook him falling to pieces when we have other, less risky options available.
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The rest of my post that you left out was why I didn't think he was noticeably bad. On the ball I thought he was decent. Defensively I thought he restricted Fellaini and Jelavic mostly to playing with their back to goal. I don't recall anyone taking it round him or gettin in behind him. I didn't notice him at the time being at fault for any of the goals but by the sounds of it it seems he could've reacted better to the 3rd goal. All in all I thought he and Ferdinand were average with the 2 fullbacks both playing poorly switching off a number of times and being continually out of position. I also thought they were exposed often by the midfield who were outnumbered 3 v 2 with no-one really puttin the foot in onfront of the back 4.

I think we're trying to hard to find scapegoats. Really all the team with the exception of Nani, Welbeck and Rooney were at fault for the way the side capitulated.
 
Rafael's constant and continued ball watching in our penalty area are much more of a costly factor than anything Evans done wrong today. The only goal that I could chalk down to Evans was possibly the third.
 
noodlehair said:
How bad does he have to be before he's noticably bad?

Seriously. There's some kind of Dalglish-esque cult warp thing going on with Evans on here.

If he plays quite well, he's the best defender in history. If he plays ok but makes some mistakes, he played really well and the mistakes were someone elses fault (or I just made them up in my head). If he plays badly, it's because the entire defence played badly.

A lot of his performances this season have been in the middle bracket, against sides not good enough to capitalise on his errors. He's played well in some games too, but not often or nearly well enough to overlook him falling to pieces when we have other, less risky options available.
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Noodle speaks the truth.
 
noodlehair said:
I wouldn't even say it's a gamble. Leaving someone in the side who's probably going to create 10+ openings for the opposition in a game due to mistakes in judgement is pretty much asking to lose.

I'm not sure people pay that much attention to what Evans actually does during games. Even when he's playing well he's really not that good. He makes mistakes quite often (I'm getting pretty fecking sick of seeing him sacrifice his position when he's got no hope of winning the ball), and needs the rest of his game to stand up in order to nullify them.

Against Wigan and today he's making twice as many mistakes and the rest of his game is crumbling apart around them. Even against Villa he was all over the place when they actually managed to get forwards.

Putting him in against City would be like betting on Spurs to win all of their reaining games.
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Spot on.
 
Agreed. I said a month or so ago that the reaction for Evans was over the top and I was lambasted for it. But, I was happy to eat my words as he had been performing a lot better than I expected but the way some on here were going on about him, 'best in the PL', 'better than Pique' etc is ridiculous.

He has always had question marks over him defensively when faced with an overly physical forward. Zamora, C. Cole, Balotelli, Fellaini etc. Rio and Vidic especially try and with the ball ahead of the attacker, but Evans never tries to. He always plays behind his man, which is something he needs to address.
 
feck!! feck!! feck!!! I hate when we drop points like this but to blame one player is cheap.

Evans had a really bad game but we win as a team and lose as a team. The whole defensive line was shocking. Evra is a shadow of his former himself, Rafael is sometimes so naive that it's hurts and Rio looked confused in the middle of this madness. But I also blame our midfield and Sir Alex. Why didn't we convert to a 3 man midfield after 4-2? Why didn't he bring in Smalling to deal with Fellaini when Evans was outmuscled in almost every duel.

The whole team was sloppy and looked out of steam and our bad approach cost us badly. Evans is still prone to doing silly mistake's but he was not the only one who was below par this evening.
 
Cutch said:
Except that it's not. Do you think our manager would pick someone every week that's 'likely to gift 10+ chances a game due to an error in judgement'. Why would said manager also come out and say he's been arguably the best defender in the league this season if this was the case.
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I have no idea why saf said that (other than confidence building) because he is far from anything like the best defender in the PL.

When under pressure the opposition know that Evans is good for a mistake.

In his defence the lacking cover from a ball wining midfielder doesn't help.

When teams press us high up the pitch and attack us he is a liability.
 
Awful time for Jonny to have a bad game but it doesn't change the fact that he has been our best defender this season and one of the players of the year. Stupid criticism of him in this thread. He was actually playing very well in the first 70 minutes I thought, seeing as he's regularly criticised for being unable to deal with strong and big attackers he was coping fine with Jelavic and Fellaini who are as big as you're likely to find. Made some brilliant tackles and blocks, one especially when he dived in front of the ball on the edge of the area.

All 3 United said:
When under pressure the opposition know that Evans is good for a mistake.
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Seeing as he has started 27 of our 35 league games it's a fecking miracle we're top of the league isn't it? All the opposition have to do is pressure Evans and it's a definite goal!

You're a spaz.
 
Theon said:
Awful time for Jonny to have a bad game but it doesn't change the fact that he has been our best defender this season and one of the players of the year. Stupid criticism of him in this thread. He was actually playing very well in the first 70 minutes I thought, seeing as he's regularly criticised for being unable to deal with strong and big attackers he was coping fine with Jelavic and Fellaini who are as big as you're likely to find. Made some brilliant tackles and blocks, one especially when he dived in front of the ball on the edge of the area.



Seeing as he has started 27 of our 35 league games it's a fecking miracle we're top of the league isn't it? All the opposition have to do is pressure Evans and it's a definite goal!

You're a spaz.
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Yes whatever.

How many games can you think of where he has played well when teams have really attacked us? Lets think of the most recent games, today, Wigan?? Oh but he had an ok game against villa, who sat deep for most of the game. Just like the vast majority of teams that have played us this season.

He has improved but he's nothing like good enough at the top level.
 
Roy said:
One poor game and you turn into complete spastics...
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For me at least it isn't one bad game, and it was a shocker, but rather that he never convinces. It isn't like watching a young Rio where you knew you were watching a truly great defender who had occasional concentration lapses but more like watching Silvestre, a good player but one where you always knew a disaster was waiting to happen.
 
no surprise to see "All 3 United" spouting nonsense again. Anytime a home-grown doesn't have a very good game, he's here. Never see him otherwise.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
He never convinces?

Christ, it's as though the whole of the rest of the season didn't happen.
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I think he has been good/competent but nowhere near as good as many have claimed. Like Silvestre I always shit it when he is involved.

And Vidic did have a shocker against Torres but obviously learned from that. If Evans uses todays defensive debacle to lift his game all well and good.
 
Wibble said:
I think he has been good/competent but nowhere near as good as many have claimed. Like Silvestre I always shit it when he is involved.

And Vidic did have a shocker against Torres but obviously learned from that. If Evans uses todays defensive debacle to lift his game all well and good.
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Evans has already used last season to elevate his game. I have no doubt he'll learn from today.

The really crazy thing about some of the comments in this thread is that he didn't even have a really bad game. He handled two of the league's most in form and awkward attacking players fairly well for the most part.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Noodle is full of shit.

Evans will start against City. I mean, of course he will. He's been one of our most consistent performers all season long. Including games where almost every else in the team was having stinkers.
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I genuinely wouldn't be surprised to see Smalling line up alongside Rio. Evans was that bad today to warrant being dropped.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
I genuinely wouldn't be surprised to see Smalling line up alongside Rio. Evans was that bad today to warrant being dropped.
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I don't think he will be dropped but the schoolboy errors he made today were terrible. The space he gave their players was horrible to watch.

Pogue Mahone said:
Evans has already used last season to elevate his game. I have no doubt he'll learn from today.

The really crazy thing about some of the comments in this thread is that he didn't even have a really bad game. He handled two of the league's most in form and awkward attacking players fairly well for the most part.
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He had a shocker plain and simple. Everton bullied him and embarrassed him.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
He never convinces?

Christ, it's as though the whole of the rest of the season didn't happen.

Isn't he allowed a bad game? (he wasn't even that bad ffs) Or is it only Vidic who can - for example - get given the runaround by Torres with his reputation intact?
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Torres only scored one goal in that game...and that was because Vidic slipped over of his own accord...and Vidic was ligitimately the best defender in the league at the time. If you're in the running for player of the year, have been your team's most important player all season, and have one bad game, it's a bit different to being decent for a couple of months and then falling to pieces against Everton and Wigan Athletic.

H was also very poor against Villa when he had any defending to do. Players ran off him numerous times.

Have you also still not noticed how often he comes marauding out of position and then doesn't win the ball? It must have happened literally every two minutes against Wigan. It should have resulted in him being sent off. I've never seen a defender so prone to doing this so brainlessly and so often, and yet seeingly not learn from it.

He did it less today but instead was constantly reacting to things FAR too slowly, then wimped himself out of the game...he can't play against City. It'd be daft. His head has gone. If we didn't have the decent alternatve in Smalling it'd be different. Jones for example, is too much of a mentalist, but Smalling's less of a gamble than Evans after today.
 
I didn't see the last 25 minutes but I don't think Evans failure to contain Fellaini in one game means he's suddenly become a bad player. Fellaini was monstrous today.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
He never convinces?

Christ, it's as though the whole of the rest of the season didn't happen.

Isn't he allowed a bad game? (he wasn't even that bad ffs) Or is it only Vidic who can - for example - get given the runaround by Torres with his reputation intact?
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He can? I seem to remember him being lambasted MANY a time because of Torres.. even though he only ever made one major mistake against Torres.

I think Noodle is over the top in the sense that Evans should be dropped for the City game, because that would arguably do more harm than good at this stage - but nearly every other thing he has said is correct.
 
Of course he won't be dropped and I'd be disgusted with Fergie if he was. Poor against Wigan and worse today, but collectively we were shocking defensively in both games. And I was enormously impressed with Everton in an attacking sense today, Fellaini being the epitome of this. Jonny's had a lot of game time and it's taken it's toll. However, a change at this stage seems a nonsense to me. Jonny will finish the season as first choice centre-half.
 
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