Joao Felix / on loan to Chelsea

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He would NOT fit us. I see him similar to players like Sancho, Kagawa, Grizemann, Dybala, Bernado Silva, Havertz etc who are technical, good chance creater, good small-scale dribbler and can be great players under certain systems but lack that little explosiveness and physique to play well for us. Felix is also unproven in terms of his goal scoring ability, never scoring more than 10 La Liga goals is shabby. We need a young version of Giggs, Bale or Hazard who can drive the ball forward quickly and disorganize defences and scoring goals here and there instead.
 
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Bluelion7 said:
What makes me nervous is people are basically describing Havertz: lanky build, technically sound, has some creativity, good second striker, can play the false 9, can play out in the wing if needed, good dribbler in traffic…

They forget to mention: not the best finisher, can get moved around physically by opposition, not a lot of pace, and not very quick either. If he cvs plays on the 9 his hold up play is often weak. He d average at taking on defenders off the dribble.

I think he’s a little more creative in finding passes than Havertz…. But not a ton.

So the issue is, if you want a 10 … there are people better at that job. If you want a winger… there are people better at that job. If you want a striker …. There are people better at that job. But if you spend 80m plus. There will be pressure to fit him in the lineup.

I thought Felix would fit better in Germany, or maybe even in PSG’s setup. But maybe he will be the anti-Havertz and tear the PL up, who knows.
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Valid points.

I think if they choose him it will be due to a combination of upside and flexibility. Or maybe as a Rashford replacement (Rash may tell them he wants PSG) who in the meantime gives them enough depth to get through the season.

There is a chance he grows into a world class player under ten Hag too. Prefer a real 9 but if it is him I get it.
 
He would go to another level under Arteta

This is one player we would pay big money for
 
GoonerInPeace said:
He would go to another level under Arteta

This is one player we would pay big money for
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Who would he take the place of though?

Martinelli/Saka are pretty set on the wings. Jesus is the clear number 9

Is he better than Odegaard? i'm not sure on that. He's also your captain. Squad depth definitely, but are you really paying £70m+ for squad depth?
 
Adam-Utd said:
Who would he take the place of though?

Martinelli/Saka are pretty set on the wings. Jesus is the clear number 9

Is he better than Odegaard? i'm not sure on that. He's also your captain. Squad depth definitely, but are you really paying £70m+ for squad depth?
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Isn't Jesus out for a while?
 
Adam-Utd said:
Who would he take the place of though?

Martinelli/Saka are pretty set on the wings. Jesus is the clear number 9

Is he better than Odegaard? i'm not sure on that. He's also your captain. Squad depth definitely, but are you really paying £70m+ for squad depth?
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Wouldnt take anyone's place. Saka, Odegaard, Martinelli are all better players than Felix. But Felix can play across the front three and is a high level player.
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
Isn't Jesus out for a while?
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Yeah he did get injured for Brazil, but not sure you'd sign a big money transfer just to cover a few months. Depends if they plan for him long term.
GoonerInPeace said:
Wouldnt take anyone's place. Saka, Odegaard, Martinelli are all better players than Felix. But Felix can play across the front three and is a high level player.
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Is Felix really wanting to move from the Atletico bench to.... Arsenal's bench?. A player like that and for the money you make first choice IMO.
 
Ornstein says Mendes is pushing for him to Villa. I'm not sure whether that's a sign of Villa's ambition, Felixs general perceived value or Mendes' new patronage.
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
Ornstein says Mendes is pushing for him to Villa. I'm not sure whether that's a sign of Villa's ambition, Felixs general perceived value or Mendes' new patronage.
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One of our owners, Nassef Sawiris, has pretty close links with Mendes I'm pretty sure. They (our owners) are also very highly ambitious as well.
 
If i see him in Villa's shirt, i'd be laughing my tits off.

Please make it true, lord mendes.
 
To be honest I don't think we should be looking at a player of his profile, a more clasic no 9 who could play off of others with good hold up play should he the way to go i think.

We already have to many lightweight "technical" players and I don't think adding another unproven prospect will help much if at all.

To be fair city and Liverpool did kinda make it work for some while but even they seem to be changing course(although out of necessity in liverpool's case).
 
We should snap this guy up. He has incredible talent.

Will stick my neck out and if another PL club signs Felix we will regret it.

I do trust ETH though, I’m sure he knows the profile of Felix better than me but I really rate him.
 
romufc said:
Yep, clearly you watch football by reading stats.
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Absolutely not - I admit Felix has a lot of qualities (even if I fail to see why people want yet another player who dont score goals at United - when clearly a goalscorer is what we need) - but just like shouldn't only look at stats, you shouldn't ignore them either.

If a player is injured 10 games a season for a few season in a row, he is likely to be the same if you sign him. Ferguson himself admitted that he looked at that stat when he considered signing a player.
If a player never scores goals - he is not likely to score regularly if you sign him. There are some exceptions, he is young - he is playing for a really poor side etc - but regularly players either score goals or they dont. They rarely start scoring regularly at the same level of football, if they didn't 3-4 seasons in a row before.

Joao Felix doesn't score enough goals - not even close. I read a lot of "reasons" why he didn't score - he was young, he played for a side that doesn't attack etc etc - all of them were just poor excuses of course. First of all Felix is 23 years - he is not 19 anymore, and if age was an issue - he should at least show signs of improvment in terms of goals. He hasn't shown that. Does he contribute with assists - yes, but if anyone thinks he contributes a lot - he doesn't.

As for playing for a defensive Atletico Madrid side - which is just crap of course. Atletico Madrid have scored about 150 league goals over the last 2.5 seasons - Felix has 18 goals and 13 assists. No matter how you look at it - that is at best average for an attacking player like Felix playing for a top side. Everyone will agree that up until this season, Marcus Rashford had 18 really poor months - his goals and assist stats playing for a worse side, was still better than Felix. And his stats for Portugal are not better - with only 4 goals in 28 matches.

So no - I don't watch football by reading stats - but stats can tell you quite a bit.
 
Adisa said:
Dawson says we are exploring a loan plus option.
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1. Yeah, and that does make a lot of sense. Of course Atleti doesn’t want to go there. Also, I could be wrong, but I can’t see how a loan with an obligation to buy works in a 100m transfer. If we change our opinion on him, we wouldn’t play him if he gets close to the triggers.

But will Atleti get what they want? Will selling Felix be an alternative for them? What does Felix want? Let’s say he won’t go to Villa. Who is paying for him? Last summer only 5 teams in the entire world spent more than 125m on transfers. Teams aren’t in the habit of making 90-100m transfers. And especially not for a flop signing who is hard to fit into the squad.

Arsenal paid 87m for Gabriel Jesus AND Zinchenko. They can probably get Mudryk for 70+m. I am not sure if Felix is a Potter type of player.

Who is paying 70m for Felix? I don’t know, think it could be a hard sell for Atleti.

And in that situation a loan with — an option — to buy could be an . Say we loan Felix for a fee of 15m and get an option to buy him for 65m, it totals 80m if we buy him. If not, Felix got an opportunity to play and show himself in a different environment at least. And we pay his wages and Atleti makes 15m on top of that even if we walk away.

Is that would Atleti is looking for? Of course not. But it could be seen as a better option than the alternatives, if those involves selling him for 50m or keeping him.

It is definitely a long shot. But I wouldn’t rule it out.

2. I also don’t see Felix as a great option for No 9.

But there is no denying that when he is on the ball a little deeper in the field, he is up there in the Top 5 in the entire football world when it comes to buy himself a little time and space and to deliver the final pass.

And while Felix has flaws — he is just soft — that shouldn’t be mistaken for him mailing it in, being very inconsistent with his work ethic. He is a good loyal kid who works hard and is ambitious. For Atleti, in the Griezman role, he ends up spending a ton of time in no man’s land between getting on the ball. And like Atleti just isn’t that good right now, they don’t dominate play overly much etc.

There is definitely potential for Felix to get a role deeper on the pitch. To get involved more and really excel in that role. Kind of like a KDB.
 
Loan plus option to buy is the most ideal for both parties.

I still have doubt in his work rate but he has world class talent if he is being coached properly by attacking mind coach.
 
croadyman said:
Think they would only consider obligation
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We can insert an obligation with certain condition like he needs to play certain amount of minutes or appearances to reflect how much we value his importance to first team.
 
UNITED ACADEMY said:
We can insert an obligation with certain condition like he needs to play certain amount of minutes or appearances to reflect how much we value his importance to first team.
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As has been observed, these clauses don't work, as we would play him for one less than the number of games required to trigger the obligation, and that way it is like a loan with an option to buy.

Atletico Madrid will have to significantly lower their expectations, or he will end up staying, as noone is playing £80m for a player who is not currently performing for their club.
 
I'd take him. I'm sure Ten Hag would find good use from him - it probably means a false 9 role but it could work well with Rashford or a fit Martial around.
 
Erik the Red said:
As has been observed, these clauses don't work, as we would play him for one less than the number of games required to trigger the obligation, and that way it is like a loan with an option to buy.

Atletico Madrid will have to significantly lower their expectations, or he will end up staying, as noone is playing £80m for a player who is not currently performing for their club.
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It is still obligation but with condition, because once the condition is met, the club can't say not to buy as it's obligation. Option to buy wouldn't need certain condition to be met or written on the paper. As long as Atl Madrid open for the loan move, there has to be a way to make it work with the clauses that suit both parties. Atl Madrid would prefer not to have high wages player that the manager would prefer not to start him, hence why they are more open to let him go. If they are asking too ridiculous then they will have to keep high wages player that has issue with the manager on the bench. Hence why I said there has to be ways in a deal where suits to both parties in this kind of situation.
 
I have only watched this guy in CL games and for Portugal. He looks silky and certainly talented but a bit too mercurial as in not particularly amazing in a particular role to the point that he is a must have player. Having looked also at his stats since moving for silly money to AM….I am genuinely wondering…how the fuk is he still rated as a €100 million plus player? Are AM just inflating shit to get their money back or does he do stuff in la liga that I’m just not seeing?

Grealish was similar to me but at least the English tax thing came into play. Why is felix so highly rated? €50 million seems about right in todays market.
 
Considering we have wingers who act more like strikers (Rashford/Garnacho) than traditional wingers I think Felix could be a good option. We would lack a traditional striker but I guess Liverpool/City have done okey without one for a few years.
 
I think loan plus obligation is a very good deal for us, we only have Antony and Martial in our front like who can actually keep possession, Bruno and Rashford keeps giving the ball away, Martial is forever injured and he can be a great cover or play alongside Martial when we want to rest Bruno. It will allow our front four to have only Rashford who is bad at keeping possession, otherwise Martial, Felix and Antony will keep the possession going and help us pin the teams.
 
Rolaholic said:
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I scrolled through Nizaar's timeline and didn't see one mention of Joao and MUFC. Pure clickbait it seems.

That said I do not doubt that we are interested in Joao, but it is probably dependent on Rashford leaving for PSG. If Rash wants out then Joao makes more sense and he is more flexible as a player than Rash too because ten Hag can use him in midfield. Also if Rash leaves in the summer then I think it's possible we add Joao via buy or loan with option to buy and play Rash at 9.

I'd prefer Vlahovic. Just add the pure striker. Or Ramos, though I think the wc buzz is inflating his value. But this is a roster very much in transition still and it is pending the sale so all bets are off. The loan with option to buy seems to favor the ownership change in timing and intent.
 
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