João Palhinha

[charlenefan]

Good player but we'd be better going for someone like Rice who can do a good job as a 6 and an 8

Palhinha would only play when Casemiro is missing

 

[The_Midfielder]

Sell Mctominay..Buy Palhinha

 

[In Rainbows]

Good player but we'd be better going for someone like Rice who can do a good job as a 6 and an 8

Palhinha would only play when Casemiro is missing

He would cost half the price of Rice

 

[charlenefan]

He would cost half the price of Rice

Ok?

 

[thegregster]

He would cost half the price of Rice

Fulham will still be looking for 70m for him. Once a player lands in the PL its almost impossible to get them for a decent fee.

 

[daba]

I wanted him last summer and would have been great for us.

He’s not Casemiro level of course and we probably would have marginally less progress this year if did get Palhinha instead, but for a quarter of the transfer and likely a third of the wage costs, he would have been a great signing.

Don’t see us going there this summer as he’ll cost £60-70m and probably too similar to Casemiro to be spending that amount on.

 

[In Rainbows]

Ok?

Palhinha would be a squad player. A player that is an ideal fit next to Casemiro needs to have more to his technique and passing game than Rice. This is a quality the midfield as a whole is missing. So spending that much on Rice doesn't make sense unless the goal is to completely replace Casemiro.

 

[NotoriousISSY]

No way he went to Fulham without some kind of CL release option.

If he did, he committed the same career suicide Neves did at Wolves.

 

[Nick7]

Would be good as a Case alternative, but very expensive for that job.

 

[Nick7]

No way he went to Fulham without some kind of CL release option.

If he did, he committed the same career suicide Neves did at Wolves.

Neves resurrected his career at Wolves to be fair. His issue was signing a second contract with them and staying there too long. Not the case for Palhinha

 

[charlenefan]

Palhinha would be a squad player. A player that is an ideal fit next to Casemiro needs to have more to his technique and passing game than Rice. This is a quality the midfield as a whole is missing. So spending that much on Rice doesn't make sense unless the goal is to completely replace Casemiro.

Nonsense. Rice could come in and play alongside Casemiro as an 8 or replace him as the 6 when he's suspended/injured/rested

Palhinha would only play when Casemiro doesn't

 

[In Rainbows]

Nonsense. Rice could come in and play alongside Casemiro as an 8 or replace him as the 6 when he's suspended/injured/rested

Palhinha would only play when Casemiro doesn't

For the money Rice will be going for, United's midfield will still lack that quality/trait I just specified. Why do you think Ten Hag wanted Frenkie, and got Eriksen? He (along with lots of United fans on here) clearly identified that United need a player that has the technical quality, and passing quality to be our constant go to player in possession. Rice isn't going to provide that. So while United will be more solid defensively as Rice is better than Fred or whoever in that department, it's still massively lacking that quality to help retain possession.

It is paramount that United get that type of player in. I don't even know if it's wise to spend money on Palhinha either because he's also not that player, and I don't know if we'll have the funds to get 2 midfielders along with a striker, and GK.

 

[charlenefan]

For the money Rice will be going for, United's midfield will still lack that quality/trait I just specified. Why do you think Ten Hag wanted Frenkie, and got Eriksen? He (along with lots of United fans on here) clearly identified that United need a player that has the technical quality, and passing quality to be our constant go to player in possession. Rice isn't going to provide that. So while United will be more solid defensively as Rice is better than Fred or whoever in that department, it's still massively lacking that quality to help retain possession.

It is paramount that United get that type of player in. I don't even know if it's wise to spend money on Palhinha either because he's also not that player, and I don't know if we'll have the funds to get 2 midfielders along with a striker, and GK.

Ideally we'd get a Fred upgrade (in this case Rice) + a more creative number 8 (FDJ or Bellingham). Very unlikely even with oil state money we'd get both + a striker though

 

[croadyman]

We need him

Yeah we do and won't be cheap,need Bruno and Dalot to have a word on international break

 

[V.O.]

Yeah we do and won't be cheap,need Bruno and Dalot to have a word on international break

All Bruno needs to do during the international break is pick up a mystery knock tomorrow and live in an oxygen tent for the next couple of weeks.

 

[KjaAnd]

Proper player. Would be a great addition to the team.

 

[Mickeza]

Not entirely convinced the solution to our issues progressing the ball from deep is to spend 60m on a player in the lowest 7th percentile for progressive passes and the lowest 1 percentile for progressive carries. Absolutely not the profile we need.

 

[BAMSOLA]

Said we should have gone for him a few seasons whilst at Sporting before Fulham landed him, now if we sell Mctominay that would only go some way toward paying for him. Has made the most successful tackles of any prem cm apparently and watching him today you can see why.

 

[Mwooyo]

Not entirely convinced the solution to our issues progressing the ball from deep is to spend 60m on a player in the lowest 7th percentile for progressive passes and the lowest 1 percentile for progressive carries. Absolutely not the profile we need.

Agreed. We should instead go for the player who replaced him at Sporting, Ugarte, or something like that. He tackles as well but passes and carries better.

 

[lex talionis]

Not entirely convinced the solution to our issues progressing the ball from deep is to spend 60m on a player in the lowest 7th percentile for progressive passes and the lowest 1 percentile for progressive carries. Absolutely not the profile we need.

60m would be too much for Palhinha, but at a more reasonable price he'd be a great addition to the squad who can serve as our backup 6 or a backup 8. You might want a better option...but realistically, who?

 

[DeGea]

Sell McSauce and buy this guy.

An upgrade for sure.

 

[Mmm-Qatarian]

Palhinha is great at what he does but he'd be coming here to play back-up to Case. I strongly doubt he's going to want to do that, and for the amount he'd cost it'd also probably not be feasible.

 

[Superunknown]

No way he went to Fulham without some kind of CL release option.

If he did, he committed the same career suicide Neves did at Wolves.

Whilst I get that it's brilliant for players to play in the Champions League and potentially win trophies playing for 'top teams', I do think that there's a lot to be said for just...turning up for your side every week, week in week out, and being loved by your fans. Neves is a huge fan favourite at Wolves. Palhinha is probably the same at Fulham.

In an era where squads are getting bigger and bigger and you see players making the moves to 'bigger clubs' where it sometimes doesn't work out, or players are confined to sitting on the benches whilst the superstars get all the plaudits, sometimes people just want to play football consistently. I don't blame players for just doing that. Why be a back up at a 'big club' when you can be the main man or an important player at a team in the same league?

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Once we get new owners. We should correct the error of not signing him from Sporting

 

[Woziak]

Whilst I get that it's brilliant for players to play in the Champions League and potentially win trophies playing for 'top teams', I do think that there's a lot to be said for just...turning up for your side every week, week in week out, and being loved by your fans. Neves is a huge fan favourite at Wolves. Palhinha is probably the same at Fulham.

In an era where squads are getting bigger and bigger and you see players making the moves to 'bigger clubs' where it sometimes doesn't work out, or players are confined to sitting on the benches whilst the superstars get all the plaudits, sometimes people just want to play football consistently. I don't blame players for just doing that. Why be a back up at a 'big club' when you can be the main man or an important player at a team in the same league?

I get what your saying however the game is changing massively in the last 3 years. Players are playing more games at higher intensity and are soon to have a new club World Cup. Five in games subs will soon be 6 or 7 and 9 named substitutes will soon be 11 or 12 . If the club starts playing 65-70 games and you play 8-15 games for your country then having two players for each position where they both play 35-45 games a season is actually the way forward to progress the game.

 

[gajender]

Once we get new owners. We should correct the error of not signing him from Sporting

It wasn't a error Palhinha would be exposed in a team where he would be expected to do more, error would be to sign him now based on his Fulham form where his limitations aren't that of a big deal .
United need to move away from Limited players we have got plenty of them already whom we need to get rid of no point in adding another .

PS We got Casemiro last Summer enough said, his understudy should be a youngster talented enough with or without ball .

 

[Fabio Rochemback]

Fulham will still be looking for 70m for him. Once a player lands in the PL its almost impossible to get them for a decent fee.

Yeah, realistically we need to be looking for players on the continent most of the time. I barely watch any football that isn't PL/CL nowadays so I can't suggest any!

 

[croadyman]

For the money Rice will be going for, United's midfield will still lack that quality/trait I just specified. Why do you think Ten Hag wanted Frenkie, and got Eriksen? He (along with lots of United fans on here) clearly identified that United need a player that has the technical quality, and passing quality to be our constant go to player in possession. Rice isn't going to provide that. So while United will be more solid defensively as Rice is better than Fred or whoever in that department, it's still massively lacking that quality to help retain possession.

It is paramount that United get that type of player in. I don't even know if it's wise to spend money on Palhinha either because he's also not that player, and I don't know if we'll have the funds to get 2 midfielders along with a striker, and GK.

Yeah technical quality has to be improved in that midfield IF we want to play better football. Personally feel with new owners it should be a case of Casa backup AND a progressive baller CM not a hybrid. Will have the money to make it happen so don't scrimp

 

[SportingCP96]

Agreed. We should instead go for the player who replaced him at Sporting, Ugarte, or something like that. He tackles as well but passes and carries better.

Palhinha is better defensively particularly with tackling but he is also a old school CDM.

Ugarte as you pointed out is much better with the ball on his feet but he is also more of a defensive minded box to box midfielder.Insane engine, he never stops running and essentially plays a two man midfield alone.

Due to injuries in midfield this season Pedro Gonçalves has had to revert back to his CM days, though he is vary attack minded which leads Ugarte to carry the defensive mold all by himself.

Teams went and paid 100M for Enzo but I think Ugarte is a similar player and is as well only 21 years of age and would cost much lower (safer buy with resale value). Based on Ugarte performance at the Emirates where he man handled the league leaders midfield I think he will adapt seamlessly to the pace and level of the EPL.

a nice write up here:


His buy out clause is set at 60M but Sporting does not have the selling power or Benfica and I believe Ugarte will be available for far less at 45M with objectives included.

I raved about Palhinha for the last two season so it’s no surprise for me they he has been arguably the best if not second best CDM in the league alongside Casemiro this season.

I will say the same thing about Ugarte. Whoever gets him for 45M or less is commuting daylight robbery.

There is only one other player at Sporting besides Ugarte that I am convinced and have no doubt he will be a top player.

 

[Drizzle]

There is only one other player at Sporting besides Ugarte that I am convinced and have no doubt he will be a top player.

Do tell!

 

[Raoul]

Sign him up

 

[SportingCP96]

Do tell!

Ousmane Diomande. 19yo CB from Ivory Coast signed during the January transfer window for 7.5M Euros which could rise up to 12.5M with objectives.

Arsenal we’re also interested but did not want to pay more then 10M.

This kid passes the eye test through and through. Tall, Fast, great reading of the game, technically gifted and able to drive the ball forward and make the outlet pass. He has quickly won over Amorim and has been starting multiple games. Diomande was just playing in the second tier of Portugal 2 months ago and now he was putting in a brilliant performance at the Emirates.

He only just joined and naturally there is parts of his game needed to develop before he makes the inevitable jump but this kid has very obvious quality when you watch him play. I usually don’t like to rate players this early but I truly think he will be sold for a lot of money by Sporting to a top club in the near future.

Not many videos exist on him right now but just a few I found.

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

Anyone pointing out that Rice is a better option as he can play 6 or 8 is mad.

We will WASTE Casemiro if we force him to be a 6 week in week out. He’s the best 8 in the league. As well as the best 6. But We use him differently to Madrid.

I’d pick Casemiro as a 6 for maybe 10 games a season. Really big games. Otherwise he can be freed up by us buying a great 6. He’s still hugely underrated.

Buy Palhinha. Play them together. Rice isn’t as good a 6 as either, and he will never be anywhere near as good an 8 as Casemiro.

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

I get what your saying however the game is changing massively in the last 3 years. Players are playing more games at higher intensity and are soon to have a new club World Cup. Five in games subs will soon be 6 or 7 and 9 named substitutes will soon be 11 or 12 . If the club starts playing 65-70 games and you play 8-15 games for your country then having two players for each position where they both play 35-45 games a season is actually the way forward to progress the game.

You won’t see 9 subs in your lifetime. 12 will never happen.

I’d be amazed if we saw 7 subs in the next 30 years.

 

[Cassidy]

Ousmane Diomande. 19yo CB from Ivory Coast signed during the January transfer window for 7.5M Euros which could rise up to 12.5M with objectives.

Arsenal we’re also interested but did not want to pay more then 10M.

This kid passes the eye test through and through. Tall, Fast, great reading of the game, technically gifted and able to drive the ball forward and make the outlet pass. He has quickly won over Amorim and has been starting multiple games. Diomande was just playing in the second tier of Portugal 2 months ago and now he was putting in a brilliant performance at the Emirates.

He only just joined and naturally there is parts of his game needed to develop before he makes the inevitable jump but this kid has very obvious quality when you watch him play. I usually don’t like to rate players this early but I truly think he will be sold for a lot of money by Sporting to a top club in the near future.

Not many videos exist on him right now but just a few I found.

Very impressed with him in the 2 games vs Arsenal

 

[Drizzle]

Ousmane Diomande. 19yo CB from Ivory Coast signed during the January transfer window for 7.5M Euros which could rise up to 12.5M with objectives.

Arsenal we’re also interested but did not want to pay more then 10M.

This kid passes the eye test through and through. Tall, Fast, great reading of the game, technically gifted and able to drive the ball forward and make the outlet pass. He has quickly won over Amorim and has been starting multiple games. Diomande was just playing in the second tier of Portugal 2 months ago and now he was putting in a brilliant performance at the Emirates.

He only just joined and naturally there is parts of his game needed to develop before he makes the inevitable jump but this kid has very obvious quality when you watch him play. I usually don’t like to rate players this early but I truly think he will be sold for a lot of money by Sporting to a top club in the near future.

Not many videos exist on him right now but just a few I found.

Very interesting. Cheers, will keep an eye on him as he develops.

 

[Adnan]

I agree with the posters who are talking up Mauel Ugarte, he looks a very secure player in possession, can carry/dribble the ball, and from what I've seen, he also has good defensive attributes. At 21 years of age, he looks a player that I feel we should be considering.

 

[Wheato]

All Bruno needs to do during the international break is pick up a mystery knock tomorrow and live in an oxygen tent for the next couple of weeks.

WORD

 

[Red in STL]

You won’t see 9 subs in your lifetime. 12 will never happen.

I’d be amazed if we saw 7 subs in the next 30 years.

6 or 7 might happen, depends on how they're going to handle the concussion issue, but 9 or 12 I agree is never happening

 

[Erik the Red]

6 or 7 might happen, depends on how they're going to handle the concussion issue, but 9 or 12 I agree is never happening

9 or 12 was referring to how many can sit on the bench. Having up to 12 on the bench actually makes sense, so teams can have cover for every position, plus an extra goalkeeper as it is so specialised. At the highest level, where squads anyway have 25 players plus, I wouldn't be surprised for this to become the norm. This will help the richer clubs, who can afford to buy two quality teams, and not just a first XI.

I would expect clubs like ours to continue to invest heavily in their youth team to ensure they have adequate quality in every position to act as cover for the cover. A homegrown youth team player that can step into the first team squad in every position. Fortunately, our academy history will help in this regard.