Good value if Longstaff is worth 50 million.
Jesse Lingard
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He's been on holiday for the last 2 years, why shouldn't he be now?
I for one am struggling to think of any reason moyes would have an axe to grind about utd, its not like he spent 6 years bleating on about how he deserved more time, I'm SURE he can be trusted ti tell the truth
Nailed it. We ask about a young talent with a handful of PL games under his belt and get quoted 50M which we thankfully don't pay considering this guy is now an underperforming squad player for them and worth maybe 5M tops. They now win the lottery and ask us for a proven England international and PL talent and clutch their pearls in horror when we ask for a price they could easily pay. Happy to not be a doormat and hope they go down and stay down for a few years.
Its not surprising though is it?
Its fairly well established that our Football Director (who's never actually been a Football Director) before isn't involved in this bit. Its all Matt Judge. What does he know about values in the market?
We've been paying Martial more than Mane and Salah get for years. Its obvious Judge has no real benchmarks when throwing around valuations.
My thoughts exactly mate, wouldn't trust a word that came out of Moyes mouth in regards to United.
And even if it was true I'm pretty sure these days managers don't even phone each other up to buy/sell players, it'll be all done through formally at board level so Solskjaer wouldn't have been able to say much. Moyes probably phoned up hoping Ole was as daft as he looks and let slip that he was looking rid of Lingard strengthening West Ham's negotiating position.
50million surely nobody at the club is that stupid when he's off for free in a few months!? 
They should double it, it's peanuts for NUFC.
He’s so furious he turned down a permanent deal this week and didn’t want to leave in the summer either.
50million surely nobody at the club is that stupid when he's off for free in a few months!?
We are not asking for that though, we are asking for 15 million including his wages. Our position is that he is a 50 million talent which is of course debatable but to get a top class player why should Newcastle get him for a bargain price? We don't need to sell or loan him and we may end up using him or even needing him before the season ends so what is our motivation to help them? It is not like they are struggling paupers, they are the richest club in the world by a factor of about 100 and so they can now get used to paying the tax that we pay when we ask for players.
Its inherent at our club for years, it goes beyond murtough
I’m wondering if this is linked to the unwritten agreement between most of the PL teams to make transfers hard for Newcastle since their takeover.
If they don't want to pay up then they can have fun playing in the championship next season with the £15 million still in their pocket, feck them.
Right and normally I would agree with these kind of tactics, lord knows we've been soft in selling players for years, but we have absolutely 0 leverage when he's gone for free in a few months and we get absolutely zero money
Newcastle are probably the only team that will give him the wages and sign on fee that he wants once his contract finishes,, I don’t think he’s happy that the club is essentially taking a big slice of his cake as Newcastle probably wouldnt want to hand out another huge sign on fee to Lingard when they bring him in the summer..
With the rise of City and Chelsea here in recent years, it's getting harder to be successful in England. I would bet the whole top half of the league don't want Newcastle anywhere what they're trying to do and the bottom half don't want Newcastle finishing above them.
Going back a couple of days it was widely reported that we would do a permanent deal, the fee was 20 Million and Newcastle were perfectly happy with that. The deal did not happen because Jesse wants two bites at the cake, a loan deal now to get game time and presumably some sort of survival bonus if Newcastle stay up and then he can still get his free agency wedge in the summer and sign with a London club which is what he really wants. He is still here because of his own stance on this so spare me your phony outrage Jesse.
With regards to the fee we are asking. We simply do not need to move him on, we are at peace with losing him for free and happy to utilize him as a squad option for the remainder of the season. If we are going to let him go then it has to be for an offer we cannot refuse, we are not the ones without leverage that would be Newcastle. They have a lousy squad and are getting relegated without a serious injection of quality, the clock is ticking and they have the money so it really comes down to whether they want to play us twice next year or if MBS dreams of the exotic splendour that is Swansea City.
With regards to the fee we are asking. We simply do not need to move him on, we are at peace with losing him for free and happy to utilize him as a squad option for the remainder of the season. If we are going to let him go then it has to be for an offer we cannot refuse, we are not the ones without leverage that would be Newcastle. They have a lousy squad and are getting relegated without a serious injection of quality, the clock is ticking and they have the money so it really comes down to whether they want to play us twice next year or if MBS dreams of the exotic splendour that is Swansea City.
Newcastle want him, they can pay or jog on. Fans complain we never get fees for player, now we’re trying the club is getting criticised
It’s too late to be demanding, the time for that was in the summer or the year before. Now he is a free agent is 5 months.
The board are like a terrible gambler. They don’t know when to walk away while they are up, they keep playing for more until they leave with nothing.
You have to know when to fold-em’
Know when to hold-em’
Know when to walk away
Know when to run
What's the point in allowing these ludicrously wealthy state sponsored owners into the league if they aren't even going to give us money for old rope?!
This. There should be an anti-FFP rule, where they have to spend a mandatory minimum on deadwood to help their survival.
Would be terrific if true, but I imagine most will be wiling to work for the right offers, especially the bigger clubs needing to move assets on. Love our stance so far, especially if we are pondering a development/ increase potential suitors loan for DVDB.
Newcastle can afford it.
Makes a change for us to try and gouge a rival club over the value of a player.
Makes a change for us to try and gouge a rival club over the value of a player.
and know when Newcastle are desperate for players and the have money. It’s no different now than back when walker took over rovers
This is oddly believable.
I can believe the Board genuinely thought players like Darmian, Rojo and Romero would be happily reintegrated into the squad. We never learn.
The club has serious issues with player valuations. They'll just go and buy someone else.
Of course we have leverage, he is contracted to us. If Newcastle want him they pay what we want. Otherwise he stays and it’s no skin off our nose.
50 million for lingard.
25 million. 30 million tops.
25 million. 30 million tops.
Isn't it something like "Hey!! You are getting a 50M kinda player for just a loan fee. So we expect you to pay up the 12M bonus if he keeps you afloat"50 million for lingard.
25 million. 30 million tops.
Yeah but he's gone, for free, in a few months, so it's skin off of our noses to the tune of a few million and potentially a midfielder addition this January that we will not get if we don't sanction the deal, in return we'll have a miserable player sat on the bench who will barely play for us, picking up a full wage safe in the knowledge he's gone in a couple months anyway so who cares
Who are they going to buy for that amount in the PL that is remotely close to Lingard's quality?
Newcastle have the money. It's not like we're asking for 100+ million now is it?
You do get the feeling the people plenty of our players surround themselves with are a proper bunch of chatty annoying buggers.
Who is talking about just last summer (Jones and Bailly) were previous summers quite obviously
Haha 15m for a 6 month loan is crazy. Instead we’re happy to have him cost us another 2.5m in wages.
Just loan him out
Not really. Don't Newcastle get lot of money if they manage to stay in PL?
Yeah our demands here are pretty laughable to be honest.
You don’t get payments for avoiding relegation. You do get next years PL payments.
So if we loan him to Everton do we also charge a staying in PL bonus?
Did we charge Sevilla a staying in La Liga bonus?
It makes zero sense, can’t blame the club for trying to pull a fast one though, but ultimately if we keep him because of that its going to cost us more than a 12m bonus
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