@Loublaze common mate. 10 assist in your whole career for an attacker is absolutely awful. He's 26. Alexander Arnold has more assists just this season from right back than Lingard has in his whole career. It's pitiful.
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1. Most posters are biased against Lingard for reasons that go beyond his on pitch performances. Mata for instance has piss poor numbers but as a fan darling escapes the levels of criticism being thrown at Lingard. A player like Lingard has to perform 200% better than a golden boy like Mata to recieve any kind of praise. Greenwood has done nothing in the first team and I hope posters like you heaping so much premature praise take it easy if he doesn't immediately rise up to your unrealistic and lofty expectations.
2. I don't watch football that way, but it still says something that he consistently gets picked no matter who is in charge don't you think? Lingard has usurped and outperformed big signings like Di Maria, Depay and Sanchez at United.
3. His output could be better, but again, name one other attacker who has been good this season. Origi has poor numbers at Liverpool despite his recent goals that have kept them in title hunts. Do you think his overall output is deserving of an elite club? If Lingard is replaced with a better player I won't complain, but he has his uses and again has the most goals against our top rivals in recent seasons.
Exactly.
What does he do? We need attackers who are productive. He barely does anything when he attacks. I never seen someone in attacking position for us pass the ball back so many times back where it came from. Just look at the second Man City goal. Everyone blamed Fred but it was Lingards cowardness that started the whole shit. Then the so called hard worker barely gave a sprint to win the ball back. Barely scores or assists and we got lunatics on here defending him no wonder club is dropping its standards. Luke Chadwick had more talent and his face was less annoying than Lingards.
Saying other managers have picked him is stupid reasoning. Lots of managers have picked Jones. He’s another waste of space.
Arnold is a fullback. How are ours doing in this respect? Lingard can be replaced with a better player but who should be taking his minutes in this current United squad? Our entire attack is underwhelming. His assists record is far from impressive but he does have his goals in big games at least to make up for that.
Moving goalposts? Can you answer the question? Greenwood is an unknown quantity in first team football is he not?
Laughable first paragraph.
Lingard has better performances than Di Maria.
Di Maria had 14 assists in first and only season in England. Lingard has 10 in his entire career.
Lingard has better performances than Sanchez and Depay. Obviously. Those two were the worst players ever to wear a utd shirt. If that's the barometer for judging Lingard, then you are going places mate.
How many times did Origi start for Liverpool? Origi at least performs when called upon. Lingard doesn't.
When was Mata a golden boy? Read his thread. Everyone moans about his lack of pace or physical attributes. He gets pushed off the ball. Lingard is supposed to be fast but he’s slow as feck in reality and has the same strength as Mata.
Biased against him? Go look at his stats. There’s the reason. Go look at overall performances since he’s been in the first team. I wouldn’t care if he acted like a clown if he was banging in the goals and assists.
Laughable first paragraph.
Lingard has better performances than Di Maria.
Di Maria had 14 assists in first and only season in England. Lingard has 10 in his entire career.
Lingard has better performances than Sanchez and Depay. Obviously. Those two were the worst players ever to wear a utd shirt. If that's the barometer for judging Lingard, then you are going places mate.
How many times did Origi start for Liverpool? Origi at least performs when called upon. Lingard doesn't.
Laughable how? LVG dropped Di Maria and Depay for Lingard and Ashley fecking Young. Lingard has scored more big goals than Origi. Who else in Lingard's position deserves to be playing ahead of him in this United team?
Yes he is a fullback, so why does a 20 year old fullback whose had like one season under his belt got more assists already in his career than your favourite Lingard? Isn’t that bad on Lingards part?
Solskjaer on Lingard: "Jesse gives us that extra bit of energy, a change of tempt in the last third, he has got loads of energy, pace, quick combinations.
Southgate before WC 2018:
“Jesse is fantastic at recognising space and working away from the ball to provide a great link between midfield and attack, intelligent, and every time he’s come into games or started for us, he’s been excellent.
“He’s had a super season this year. There’s been a question mark over whether he can convert what we see from his finishing in training into matches but this year he’s done that, so it’s a good moment for him.”
These comments have been echoed by every manager he's played under pretty much. He's not as talented as Martial or Rashford but he's always been regarded as a good trainer and an intelligent player who's skillset has seen him rise to the occasion in many big games. Im not calling him a world beater but the stick he gets on here is ridiculous, he has contributed and is not the useless player you and others claim he is
I never said he's my favorite, and our player of the season Shaw is a fullback who's never been that productive. Only Pogba has assists in double figures for United this season
You didn’t ask that, or your subsequent question of first team. You asked who is he holding back. Greenwood is a valid answer. But even incorporating your insistence that greenwood is unknown, unknown is better than knowing the shit Lingard will provide.
Why are you bringing Shaw and Mata into this? I don’t care for them just like I don’t care for most of this squad.
All I know is if we starting Lingard or he is a part of our future then we will be in trouble. He’s no where near good enough and wouldn’t start for most prem teams.
Giving me quotes from Ole and Southgate are just stupid. Go give me his stats rather than pointless PR quotes. Is that your way of defending players. Do you go in the Phil Jones thread and post that Fergie called him the next Duncan Edwards?
How is he holding back a 17 year old who has just been added to the first team? If Greenwood takes his chances he will earn a spot next season. Its so premature of you to include him here. The truth is you and your fellow Lingard haters cannot name another established first teamer who would autamically improve on Lingards numbers if given his minutes.
Im bringing them as examples because now we have posters comparing Lingard to Arnold, a fullback, and Mata plays a similar role to Lingard but his numbers are just as underwhelming but he doesnt get anything close to the criticism Lingard gets and you know it
Like I said, you have no real answers. Greenwood was just promoted to the first team. No sense arguing with people who dont use their heads. Keep up the campaign of hate
So it’s conspiracy now? I guess everyone else is wrong, and you are right. As long as you move goal posts and insert arguments that no one else made to further your support of jlingz.Really the same Mata most people are happy to see the back of and gob smacked that Woodward is going to give him a new contract?
Know what? I read all your posts in this thread and it’s been mainly you defending him for some odd reason. I just don’t get that going into a performance thread and constantly defending them if they like your relatives. I’d get it if he performed or had some potential to be world class. You claim we hate him and it’s nothing to do with football. You said that a few times in this thread which is a strange statement.
Also I don’t think you grasped it. When a fullback in basically one season playing for the first team has more assists than you as a winger who has been playing for four seasons then it’s pretty embarrassing.
Everyone has a campaign of hate apparently besides you. This is the player performance thread not the love in thread. His performances especially recently have been awful. No idea how anybody can excuse that.
So wrong in soo many ways.
Yes, its a conpiracy to fit your narrative no matter what. Lingard has scored 7 goals against Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea. With that in mind would you start an untested Greenwood against those clubs in place of Lingard?
Lingard was on loan during LVG's first season and when he came back in LVG's second and final season he played 27 times. LVG had nothing but praise for him. So Lingard is best among the worst in an England team that has ouperformed any other since 1990?
To say he's useless and has contributed nothing at United which is the main theme going on here is simply wrong, pure and simple. Im not apologizing for defending him from that nonsense. The haters have taken their stance and ive taken mine
6 actually and half of them have been against Arsenal who have been a joke over the years.
Why don’t you look at the bigger picture. How many goals has he got in his career despite so many starts? Can you tell me how many goals and assists he’s got and if it’s good enough for a club of our stature.
Its really funny that you accuse me of forcing a narrative when that’s pretty clearly your tactic. He’s got goals against Liverpool arsenal and chelsea. So? He scored in three games out of thirty eight? Well, shit. Let’s build the team around him.
A question for the Lingard cheerleaders, if he was playing at another club and was available this coming window would you want us to sign him?
Its actually 7, look again, maybe you're forgetting his goal against Arsenal in the FA cup this season. My first point here was that Lingard is a useful squad player and a big game player. Park had the same role here and he scored less in more appearances. We can't have a team of world beaters. This is why I brought up the example of Origi, a player villified by Liverpool fans as much as Lingard is by united fans but who has chipped in when most needed in the last two games. Look at his overall numbers and tell me he should be playing for a so called elite club.
You're being deliberately dumb, when did I even remotely suggest this? Im not even going to continue this debate, all my points are lost on you.
@Bojan11 its also funny you try and discredit his goals against Arsenal, as if United have been much better than them since Fergie left.
I think he should have filled in at RB instead of Young. Quicker and think it was a better option.
No, but then again, that would apply to all the players bar 3-4. I feel Lingard is okay as a squad option for next year. We need to move on a lot of players and it won't be possible in one window.
Probably not to be honest, if his numbers were what they are, but Liverpool fans can easily say the same about their current cult hero Origi
@Loublaze’s obsession with lingard is quite scary!
I suspect the World Cup took a lot out of him; perhaps more so mentally than physically.
Clearly he needs to perform far better next season or his United career may be over.
Clearly he needs to perform far better next season or his United career may be over.
Yes, I just hold an opposing view to certain views that are repeated here to death, but im obsessed because I respond to them when mine are challenged, makes sense
Hope this guy goes to a championship side, so he can play at his level.
So tired of seeing mediocre players like him play for us.
So tired of seeing mediocre players like him play for us.
I don't really expect you to agree with me on anything Jose related. Your obsession with him is comparable to @Loublaze 's with Lingard.
The man would have relegated us and even then you would come out and support him no matter what.
Not sharing your hatred of Lingard doesn't equate to obsession. I'll just ignore all the alerts and tages I have coming from this thread. I believe i've made measured responses here.
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