Our third best player last night and certainly provides more out wide than Rashford has been lately. Still think he badly needs to add some consistency to his game, though. Handy squad player all the same.
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The spread between his worst and best performance is still too big. I also feel that he needs the team to work well in order to get the best out of himself as he wont shine otherwise. If he can work on that, and on his position, he certainly will have a place in the team
I agree. His movement and his special awareness and appreciate of others is fantastic.
He showed some fantastic touches and ball control last night. I'm seeing a whole new side to his game. Keep it up kid and silence the doubters.
You'll be loving this seasons version of Lingard are you mate? I know you were a big supporter last season.
He has really impressed me this season so far, I didn't think he had this level of performance in him having watched alot of him last season. I kind of agree with what @Escobar is saying though, When he is bad he is terrible and when he is good he is really good, There seems to be no middle ground with him. If he can iron out his consistency issues and impose himself a bit more i'd be very happy with him.
I'd have him as first choice at the minute, his movement is something that we certainly lack. Rashford can do a job for us, but he's clearly shown his best form as a striker. Think him being rested on the hour mark is an indication that he could start on Sunday.
Jesse makes the team better not the other way around, a true team player. Every player in the world has had terrible games even Messi.
Agree with this. He seems to either have a very good game or he's totally anonymous. People saying we play much better with him in the side are clearly exaggerating. When he's on form, he's a useful player but he's had far too many games - for my liking anyway - where nothing seems to come off for him and he looks atrocious. One thing I will say though, is that he has a strong mentality as he seems to bounce back from spells of poor form with crucial goals. He had a spell after Christmas last year where I genuinely thought he was an extremely poor player. He then went on to score the winning goal in the FA Cup Final and a-few other crucial goals along the way.
His biggest fans on here will always overrate him and that has to be taken with a pinch of salt. He's a good squad player but I don't believe for one minute that he's good enough to be a starter as he lacks the consistency to be one.
But then again, Lingard doesnt have the upside a Messi has.
He is not consistent enough to be a star player or start every game. Too often, he's anonymous and barely into the game making things happen. And that for me is the issue, the gap is just too big and you never know which Jesse you pick before a game
I think part of that (City game notwithstanding) is when he plays on the wing, some games we will focus our attacks down one side which means the other side tends to look a bit anonymous. That's just my take anyway.
I gave him a hard time last season, didn't really see anything above average in his game. But he's won me over with some of his performances this season. Quick, clever passing, very good movement and high workrate. If he sorts out his end product (the Fenerbahce game shows signs of that) he could have a long career at United.
He's such a smart footballer. That aspect of his was evident from his youth. Just needs to add consistency to his game and we've got our newer version of Park i.e. a proper team player and a valued squad member.
He can link play, has a bit of pace, and pops up with a goal or assist. And he is an attacking player who can be used to press defensively. And he's a good team player.
If I had to compare him to someone, I think it'd be Park Jisung, except that Lingard disappeared against City, a game which Park would have excelled in.
If I had to compare him to someone, I think it'd be Park Jisung, except that Lingard disappeared against City, a game which Park would have excelled in.
good squad player to have. not a world beater but a dependable option.
Really confuses me. He is pretty shit but comes up with some good goals and assists.
There's definitely something there. He's got outstanding movement, works hard, presses well and he's shown that he's got a goal and an assist in him too.
The issue with him is consistency and end product but we've seen a few signs that the latter is coming. Great finish for his goal last night and that quality in the final third is what we need to see more of.
I like his attitude though and he's the type of player who you can get on board with. The club clearly means something to him and that desire is what you want to see.
The issue with him is consistency and end product but we've seen a few signs that the latter is coming. Great finish for his goal last night and that quality in the final third is what we need to see more of.
I like his attitude though and he's the type of player who you can get on board with. The club clearly means something to him and that desire is what you want to see.
He's turning into a very decent player. His movement is fantastic. Seems to constantly get into good positions. Got a nice bit of pace too.
He is developing nicely, but what we should aspire to is having players his level as squad players. No doubt he will be mint as a squaddie though, and probably won't kick up a fuzz being since he is homegrown and truly loves the club.
His off the ball movement is very good, no wonder he is in right position and ends up at goal scoring position a lot for a winger. He needs to improve is finishing though.
Does Lingard actually have a favoured position? For some reason I've never really thought he was a winger, even though I'm happy to see him start as one for us. He's played left and right for us and even centrally once or twice, but I've never known where he actually thinks he should be. He could maybe even do well up front since he makes such good runs, but I'm sure he won't play there.
He's coming across to me as a bit like Muller light. Not the yoghurt, the player. Just the way in which he gets goals and assists and has really clever movement, link up and running without ever really seeming like a gifted player.
He's coming across to me as a bit like Muller light. Not the yoghurt, the player. Just the way in which he gets goals and assists and has really clever movement, link up and running without ever really seeming like a gifted player.
Always have a soft spot for him. Has come a long way and finally a first team player at the club he loves and grew up at
Please don't just don't (use a Messi comparison when talking about Lingard). We have much better players than Lingard he's a decent squad player at best for us. Played well the other night though.
He's technically very decent. Those two touches to set up Pogba were immense.
I really like Lingard and he has shown he's more than capable to cement his spot in the first XI.
I really like Lingard and he has shown he's more than capable to cement his spot in the first XI.
Jesse is so much like a lot of players here, and I can't put my finger on it. Jesse, Felliani, Blind, Smalling, Tony, Herrera....all had really good start to the seasons but still don't feel they match up to other teams starters. I'm not sure they would start for our competitors in this league or in Europe.
Why do we underrate our players so much?
Blind, Smalling and Herrera are definitely good enough to play for other top teams around the world.
It's just a greener grass fallacy. You watch our players every week, so you see the reality of them - the good, the bad, the consistent, the inconsistent. You mostly see other teams' players in highlight reels, and you're more likely to watch them in a particularly good performance or a big win, or a clip of a special goal or moment.
Blind, Smalling and Herrera could all get into any team in the league.
That's a contradiction if I've ever seen one. Also the term "he's shit" gets thrown around far too much on here, particularly without any substance being added to it.
I've calmed down a bit since last season haha. But yeah glad he's showing his potential and like you say if he can show more consistency hopefully he can make that position his own.
That's why they pander for new signing a every season. The new toy syndrome
Then said signing usually proves that the grass is not always greener elsewhere. Then they want that player replaced with another signing.
Our players get a stupid amount of flak. It's not like the other clubs in the league are filled with megastars in every position.
Doesn't hurt that has a cup final winner for his boyhood club too.
Always have a soft spot for him. Has come a long way and finally a first team player at the club he loves and grew up at
That's not the basis of my opinion, I understand the indifferent nature of players games, I just think other teams left backs push up and have pace which Blind doesn't. Top CB's need to be able to play the ball which Smalling is very limited and Herrera is a lovely player but not convinced he's a defensive midfielder. The problem is I'm not sure what is his best position....
Nothing to do with grass is greener, just about a football opinion. The barometer for me is would I be frighten if we were playing against those players and I wouldn't.
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Like I said, would you fancy Martial against Blind, or Ibra against Smalling, or Pogba against Herrera if they played for someone else. They are good players no doubt but they are not at the level to start for us IMO
Yes, yes and yes.
Can have a similar development arc to Fletcher, I think. He's homegrown, a really hard worker and a team player. He's never going to be the star player but he'll be a very useful squad member, he'll get picked for tactical reasons in certain games and he'll keep improving. We've got plenty of room for star players with him in the squad.
I still haven't figured out what Mourinho thinks of him defensively. Probably that he's better than Mata, Rashford or Martial in that respect, just by his incredible mobility, which seems very adequate for pressing.
Herrera easily outplayed Pogba so far despite being played out of position and Pogba given a bit of a free role in midfield... And we all hope Pogba will become a worldie for us, and he will but Herrera is not old ither and will improve a lot too, against Liverpool it was one of the best midfielder displays I've seen for years from a midfielder, Herrera in that form would walk into any side in the league. Just don't understand this bias, it's sounds like someone made his opinion about a player and can't change it, he's twice player Fletcher was for us and he was definitely one of the first names on the team sheet for at least three years..
in form Smalling is the best defender in the league, there is no doubt about it, he had in his pocket every player in the league... have no idea why is everyone even doubting this, he's again back to his best this season.. and it's bullshit that top CB has to know how to play a football from the back, Vidic was certainly lacking in this department too and was considered world class and was far less athletic than Smalling.
Blind I had in a squad player braquet but after the season he had I started to believe he can be a starter for us, he can also improve but if he's not going to make it over Smalling/Bailly or Shaw at the back or in the midfield, he will be still very valuable player of the squad and these kind of players are in every top club..
There is a lot of bullshit said over the internet forums, and like someone said it's natural thing to see more mistakes in our own players easily because you can see them play every week and I highly doubt that ppl have time to regularly watch other teams other than highlights which will always show only the better things..
Is there a way to see average rating for one game, 5.8 seems very low and I wonder how much the city game impacts it
I actually think Herrera is still a better player than Pogba at this point. Pogba of course has the potential to be by far the better player though.
So each of them has a weakness. So do almost all players. Blind isn't an especially attacking fullback but as a result of that he's more defensively solid than the vast majority the league, and meanwhile he almost serves as a bonus midfielder because of his passing, intelligence and composure. Smalling isn't the best on the ball but he makes up for it with his cool head, physical dominance, excellent judgement and timing, and leadership at the back. Herrera isn't a DM, true, but I don't see how that's a criticism of him as a player...
The 'would I be frightened if we were playing against those players' is really a measure of attackers, and none of the three players in question are attackers, so that makes very little sense.
But yeah, all you've done is picked out each player's weakness, which I can do for any player in the whole league. The point is that those three have strengths that outweigh those weaknesses to the extent that, as I've said, they could get into any team in the league. Look at City, the favourites for the title. No sensible person wouldn't swap Smalling for any of their CBs, Blind for Kolarov (or, again, most of their CBs) or Herrera for Fernandinho or even Gundogan, who has been pretty average so far this season.
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