[SkeppyRed]

We're a better team going forward when he's in the side. He sure doesn't finish attacks but he creates lots by his movement and intelligence.

His change of pace with the ball is also refreshing when most of our team run like fecking slugs.

There's a good 10 or so players in our squad who have been shitter than him this season.

 

[kundalini]

Frustrating player but we do appear a better side when he is playing. Schmeichel pulled off a super save from one of Lingard's shots. Shame he didn't have the strength to hold off Danny Simpson when through.

 

[Hernandez - BFA]

For me subbing him off killed it for us. We needed tempo and he's one of our few players who actually attacks with the ball.

 

[Amar__]

On what evidence ?

On evidence that Mata is more expensive than him, doesn't mean a thing that we were even worse once he came off.

 

[Beachryan]

Hopefully only reason he's still playing is because of how little Mata offered when he came on. Because neither did a thing of note, playing as an attacking midfielder for United. Not good enough, either of em.

 

[Sylar]

For me subbing him off killed it for us. We needed tempo and he's one of our few players who actually attacks with the ball.

I think so too. For next season I hope he still gets minutes but I also Hope we get true competition for that right side (rather than bandages like just sticking out Rashford or Mata there).

I do feel sorry for him though. It almost always seems like after he misses a chance / has it saved, we end up conceding.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

On evidence that Mata is more expensive than him, doesn't mean a thing that we were even worse once he came off.

We were doing nothing in the second half when he came off... It was just a crap half from us from start to finish. Lingard was offering nothing.

 

[Amar__]

We were doing nothing in the second half when he came off... It was just a crap half from us from start to finish. Lingard was offering nothing.

I thought we were far worse when he came off.

 

[drdoityourself]

I don't really rate him but Mata shouldn't be playing as a winger. Lingard offers more. I wish we'd try anyone of Pereira/Januzaj/Depay in our current shape on the right but that doesn't seem even remotely likely.
For me the right winger spot is our most urgent transfer of the summer.

 

[dead joe]

He is very frustrating. His movement off the ball is great and we always seem to have more options going forward when he's in the side, but when he actually gets the ball he does nothing with it.

 

[M Bison]

For me subbing him off killed it for us. We needed tempo and he's one of our few players who actually attacks with the ball.

Agreed.

I'm far from his biggest fans but at least he commits players and is positive. Thought he did well today.

 

[Devil may care]

He was lively in the first half but couldn't seem to get a foothold in the second before getting hooked.

 

[Jerch]

On what evidence ?

They have a talent which Lingard doesn't have. They can do something out of nothing and their numbers confirm that even if both are in bad form. We need players with that talent playing week in week out and not players who run a lot and try a lot and always come short at the end because they lack vision, awareness and finishing touch and Lingard is player who lack all this things.

Today we had only two players who could do something out of nothing on the pitch from the start and that were Martial and Rooney. Rasford who I rate highly was surprisingly anonymous.

That was one of the downfall of LVG, playing players who are constantly good over players which have of game here and there but can provide that finishing touch out of nothing.

 

[NinjaFletch]

I rarely say that about our players but he is useless. We are better with playing Mata or Memphis instead of him.

Despite the fact that we've seen Mata and Memphis play over him plenty of times this season and they've been worse?

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

Had some good moments in the game today. Often gets into good positions, but sometimes makes bad choices. I said the same thing about Martial too. They will learn with experience.

 

[Ish]

Despite the fact that we've seen Mata and Memphis play over him plenty of times this season and they've been worse?

In all honesty, he's been as bad as Mata - though understandably he's also a little riskier - thus tends to lose the ball more.

But Memphis have been much worse then either imo.

 

[Jerch]

Despite the fact that we've seen Mata and Memphis play over him plenty of times this season and they've been worse?

And plenty of times they changed a game in our favour. He is good player but he lack the talent to play in our attack simple as that.

 

[Giggsforever]

He has great work rate, but he can't weight a pass, is not quick and can't dribble. For me he is more a symbol of where we are atm than LVG.

 

[All 3 United]

This constant comparison between Lingard and Mata.

Mata is not a right winger, he's a number 10 and should be deployed there (even at the expense of Rooney or Rashford).
Lingard is supposed to be a right winger but he's crap in his natural position.

 

[Eugenius]

This constant comparison between Lingard and Mata.

Mata is not a right winger, he's a number 10 and should be deployed there (even at the expense of Rooney or Rashford).
Lingard is supposed to be a right winger but he's crap in his natural position.

Except Lingard has looked better through the centre than Mata does. Lingard isn't a top player, but Mata is largely useless (despite being a nice bloke) and hasn't done anything for about 3 years.

 

[All 3 United]

Except Lingard has looked better through the centre than Mata does. Lingard isn't a top player, but Mata is largely useless (despite being a nice bloke) and hasn't done anything for about 3 years.

Mata has seldom been played as a number 10 this season but when he has, he makes Lingard look like a championship player.

 

[facund]

Lingard is supposed to be a right winger but he's crap in his natural position.

On what basis do you make this bold statement?

Just because LVG brought him in to the team at RW?

He played as an AM coming through the ranks, sometimes from the right other times from the left or central. He played from the left for England u21's whenever I saw him play. He clearly isn't a classical winger in any sense but it just so happens that LVG thought he offered more to the role than Mata (who himself has played from either the left or right most of his career rather than being a specialist #10).

You can't make excuses for Mata (the infinitely more experienced player who has had plenty of time operating from the flanks) and then not offer a little leeway to Lingard.

It's fine that you think he is crap but don't invent reasons to justify it.

 

[All 3 United]

On what basis do you make this bold statement?

Just because LVG brought him in to the team at RW?

He played as an AM coming through the ranks, sometimes from the right other times from the left or central. He played from the left for England u21's whenever I saw him play. He clearly isn't a classical winger in any sense but it just so happens that LVG thought he offered more to the role than Mata (who himself has played from either the left or right most of his career rather than being a specialist #10).

You can't make excuses for Mata (the infinitely more experienced player who has had plenty of time operating from the flanks) and then not offer a little leeway to Lingard.

It's fine that you think he is crap but don't invent reasons to justify it.

My selection of him as a right winger is based upon 1) that is where he's had his most consistent performances in the first team and 2) there is little or no competition for the right wing position 3) in the number 10 role we have Mata, Rooney or even Herrera, who are light years ahead of him in that position (if they ever got a run of games there!)

I can make excuses for Mata, play him in the number 10 role on a consistent basis and he WILL deliver, play him on the wing (with little pace) and you'll get the Mata we witnessed (again) today.

 

[kundalini]

Mata has seldom been played as a number 10 this season but when he has, he makes Lingard look like a championship player.

According to Transfermarkt, Mata has been used as an attacking midfielder (as opposed to a right winger) in the following matches:

Man City home (we created nothing, then sub Lingard on for Mata hit bar), Leicester away, Bournemouth away, Norwich home (poor team performance), Southampton home (half time sub), Stoke home, Chelsea away (Lingard scored), Sunderland away (team horror show), Arsenal home, Watford home (scored free-kick), Man City away (assist for Rashford's winner), Palace home. Also 4 EL matches (1 assist v Midtylland), 2 CL matches (1 assist v Wolfsburg), 2 FA cup matches (2 goals) and 1 League Cup game.

I'm not convinced by Lingard but Mata has been a near total waste of time this season both out wide and when used as a no 10. For a player who has taken penalties and a few free-kicks, his productivity is underwhelming to say the least. And I'm struggling to recall a long list of chances he created that our strikers have wasted.

As for Lingard, clearly he needs to do a lot more in the final third, show some imagination, better quality when he attempts a cross, more composure when shooting, make sure his first touch is decent, get stronger so he's not knocked off the ball so easily.

 

[sugar_kane]

Didn't deserve to get subbed today. Would have offered a lot more than Herrera and Mata in those final minutes of the game,

 

[stevoc]

Except Lingard has looked better through the centre than Mata does. Lingard isn't a top player, but Mata is largely useless (despite being a nice bloke) and hasn't done anything for about 3 years.

On what fecking planet is Lingard better at No10 than Mata. Pure fecking fantasy.

Mata played his best football this season in the middle. Lingard while good enough on the right is anonymous in the middle.

Jesus christ the shit you read on here.

 

[caisenma]

On what fecking planet is Lingard better at No10 than Mata. Pure fecking fantasy.

Mata played his best football this season in the middle. Lingard while good enough on the right is anonymous in the middle.

Jesus christ the shit you read on here.

No kidding. The amount of game time he has received, he's simply not good enough. Not a chance should he get all these minutes while Peirera and Januzaj rot in the reserves. All should be rotated.

 

[facund]

My selection of him as a right winger is based upon 1) that is where he's had his most consistent performances in the first team and 2) there is little or no competition for the right wing position 3) in the number 10 role we have Mata, Rooney or even Herrera, who are light years ahead of him in that position (if they ever got a run of games there!)

None of that makes it his "natural position" which was a key element of your critique.

Mata is not a right winger, he's a number 10 and should be deployed there (even at the expense of Rooney or Rashford).
Lingard is supposed to be a right winger but he's crap in his natural position.

Once again, it is fine that you have a negative opinion of Lingard but there is no need to overstate it with misleading nonsense. There are plenty of things to find fault with in his game, as you'll see stated on each and every page of this thread, but to put the boot-in (incorrectly) whilst championing another under-performing player isn't necessary.

 

[Bojan11]

The fact he is constantly starting for us shows how far back we are. He wouldn't start for most premier league clubs.

 

[wr8_utd]

He's the new Welbeck for me in terms of being really average but people overrate his contributions because he's a local lad/academy player.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

The fact he is constantly starting for us shows how far back we are. He wouldn't start for most premier league clubs.

This. I don't want to keep harping on the same point, but Lingard is nowhere near good enough to be starting consistently.

He's a squad player at best.

 

[Verminator]

He's the new Welbeck for me in terms of being really average but people overrate his contributions because he's a local lad/academy player.

But better than Rooney...

 

[Fahad Jawaid]

He is a good squad player similar to Park was for us infact i would say park was far more instrumental and a true big match player for us, if he couldn't get into those sides and Lingard is still getting games as a starter even though he is a inferior player, its actually down to LVG for letting go players or not buying a Winger. He is all fart and no poo.

I like him alot but seriously the reason why we fail to score in so many games isn't only down to LVG and his tactics, but a front four of Martial, Rashford, Lingard and Fellani. Three of them are under 23 and then there is Fellani. Its more so to do with LVG letting go important first team players and not signing established players who could provide the telling pass or score or that touch that opens up the play or choosing the correct pass. All of these things are obviously inconsistent in young players which have cost us in majority of the matches. I am not saying we shouldn't give young players a chance etc but this sort of dependence on them could seriously break them.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Maximum 4 games to go... please

 

[Cathy Ferguson]

He is a good squad player similar to Park was for us infact i would say park was far more instrumental and a true big match player for us, if he couldn't get into those sides and Lingard is still getting games as a starter even though he is a inferior player, its actually down to LVG for letting go players or not buying a Winger. He is all fart and no poo.

I like him alot but seriously the reason why we fail to score in so many games isn't only down to LVG and his tactics, but a front four of Martial, Rashford, Lingard and Fellani. Three of them are under 23 and then there is Fellani. Its more so to do with LVG letting go important first team players and not signing established players who could provide the telling pass or score or that touch that opens up the play or choosing the correct pass. All of these things are obviously inconsistent in young players which have cost us in majority of the matches. I am not saying we shouldn't give young players a chance etc but this sort of dependence on them could seriously break them.

Yep, that just underscores how poorly run this club is when we are overly dependent on young players such as Rashford, Martial and to some degree Lingard. And then there is a telling age gap up to Rooney and Mata. Very few of our outfield players are near their respective peak. It is a mix of has beens and young potential.

 

[SkeppyRed]

He's the new Welbeck for me in terms of being really average but people overrate his contributions because he's a local lad/academy player.

This is probably true but there's a good reason for it. It's better to have these type of players than some cnut from half way around the world whose only wearing the badge because we pay big wages. If a player is shite he's shite no matter where he is from but Lingard isn't. He's young(at 23 far from his peak), determined, energetic, intelligent, creative and most importantly improving all the time. He will become more effective, he needs too. We may need better as first choice but he can still have an important role to play in a stronger squad imo.

Besides, there's at least 10 players in our squad who he has outperformed this season who I would like to see fecked off before we get to him.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

This is probably true but there's a good reason for it. It's better to have these type of players than some cnut from half way around the world whose only wearing the badge because we pay big wages. If a player is shite he's shite no matter where he is from but Lingard isn't. He's young(at 23 far from his peak), determined, energetic, intelligent, creative and most importantly improving all the time. He will become more effective, he needs too. We may need better as first choice but he can still have an important role to play in a stronger squad imo.

Besides, there's at least 10 players in our squad who he has outperformed this season who I would like to see fecked off before we get to him.

Is this a serious post, name one!!!

 

[SkeppyRed]

Yep, that just underscores how poorly run this club is when we are overly dependent on young players such as Rashford, Martial and to some degree Lingard. And then there is a telling age gap up to Rooney and Mata. Very few of our outfield players are near their respective peak. It is a mix of has beens and young potential.

I agree. The ideal squad balance should 20% youth, 50% players in their prime, 30% experience.

Ours is currently unbalanced as the prime/experienced players have lets us down by underperforming over the course of the season.

 

[SkeppyRed]

Is this a serious post, name one!!!

Il name them all; Darmian, Schneiderlein, Rojo, carrick, Fellaini, schweinsteiger, Depay, Herrera, Mata, Jones.

Lingard has had a better season than all of these individuals, all of whom have underperformed. Close to adding Rooney in as well btw but he still been effective at certain times(eg.winner at Anfield).

 

[WhoDaGOAT]

Lingard is a nearly man at the moment. He nearly scores, he almost makes the vital pass, he comes close to finding a man with a cross.

I'm waiting for his luck to change. He's getting into the right areas and is trying to do the right things, without much luck.

That was a world class reaction save from Schmeichel to deny him.