the cup final showed the benefit of having a full back who can defend. Dalot was getting run ragged in that game, the introduction of AWB was like night and day and shut that threat down. AWB still isn't great in transition, although he has improved. I just feel that Dalot is neither good in attack or defence, he's just okay in both. Frimpong is more of an attacking full back, I feel it would be better to have AWB as his back up, especially in games where we are under sustained attack. I feel maybe at one point ETH would have been more open to selling AWB but I'd say that may have changed, he has played AWB in a lot of games recently.
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the cup final showed the benefit of having a full back who can defend. Dalot was getting run ragged in that game, the introduction of AWB was like night and day and shut that threat down. AWB still isn't great in transition, although he has improved. I just feel that Dalot is neither good in attack or defence, he's just okay in both. Frimpong is more of an attacking full back, I feel it would be better to have AWB as his back up, especially in games where we are under sustained attack. I feel maybe at one point ETH would have been more open to selling AWB but I'd say that may have changed, he has played AWB in a lot of games recently.
Yeah hopefully that's what Erik is thinking
Martinez is actually pretty good in the air. He hasn't struggled at all in the PL.
Desperate for this guy, every week I check on him after the Leverkusen game and it seems he has either scored or had an assist. He's exactly what we need to compliment Anthony and dare I say it, bring Sancho to life when playing on the right due to his similar profile to Hakimi who Sancho absolutely thrived with.
Also if we get more of a link up striker like Kane over someone fast like Osimhen he is going to be absolutely essential as we only have pace on the left with Rashford and Frimpong on the right could really help balance that out.
Also if we get more of a link up striker like Kane over someone fast like Osimhen he is going to be absolutely essential as we only have pace on the left with Rashford and Frimpong on the right could really help balance that out.
I'd definitely keep Awb over Dalot.
So Leverkusen sign a promising young RB and we buy the guy whose position is under threat from them.
He is a brilliant RB but is he the right target? I’d rather go for Timber and use him in the Kounde role.
He is a brilliant RB but is he the right target? I’d rather go for Timber and use him in the Kounde role.
They bought the Brazilian with view of Frimpong leaving this summer.
He's been one of the best performing RB's in the league forming one of the most dangerous right flanks in Europe with Diaby so it's not a matter of his position being under threat at all
So who's better Frimpong or Vanderson?
This guy or pavard? Being linked to both
Pavard started as a CB didn’t he? Might suit ETH’s inverted RB role..
Right now, I'd say Frimpong but Vanderson has a lot of potential as well.
I really rate Frimpong but he benefits from Leverkusens system and his freedom as a wingback.
I dont think you would be that happy with him as a fullback.
I dont think you would be that happy with him as a fullback.
He can play CB and RB. For Bayern he mostly plays as a RB but he mentions almost on a weekly basis that he prefers to play CB.
His best games were arguably in the last weeks of Nagelsmann as right CB in a 3-4-2-1.
86% of CBs win more aerial duels than Martinez. 75% of CBs win aerial duels at a higher rate than him. Martinez is actually pretty fecking shit in the air.
Which part are you confused about? That winning less headers than 86% of centre backs puts him among the worst?
Show me these stats.
I'm really worried that we're going to take our own version of TAA and I don't like it at all.
For all intents and purposes this guy is excellent as an attacking wing back, but he has been pretty much useless at defending as a fullback... so I fail to see how it helps us at all unless ETH has some magic up his sleeve
As an avid Peepshow fan I want us to sign him.
Gotta ask the question. We’ve been duped enough already.
It just looks like they are not even putting up a fight to keep him.
Two thoughts on this:
1) In general there is minimal functional difference in what is required from a) a wingback and b) a fullback in a possession dominant team who will often have at least one of their fullbacks spending most of their time in the areas and situations a wingback would typically operate in anyway. If you are recruiting a fullback for that style of team then there will very often be more of a skill overlap between what you need and a given wingback than a fullback used to playing a more conservative role.
2) In our particular case though, we're not that dominant, front-foot, control-heavy team. We might want to be, and our right flank is definitely crying out for a very attacking RB, but it's hard to see how we'll improve enough by the start of next season to be particularly comfortable with that sort of very aggressive use of our RB.
But then the two RBs we've been most heavily linked with since ETH took over are this guy and Dumfries, a different but also very attack-orientated option. So who knows.
Should keep AWB if Erik wants a defensive option to supplement this guy
While that may sound attractive, in practice, a second-choice player serves primarily for rotation and injury remplacement, and hopefully competition for the position. Cause as you can see now in United's midfield, it doesn't work if your backup players are nothing like the first choice in their positions. (In terms of style. That they're less good is normal of course.) Plus, in practice, teams very rarely have a Plan B that's significantly different from their Plan A; that's a forum pipedream. So for planning purposes, it would make most sense if the first- and second-choice players are very similar in style.
Agree with this.
Over the course of a season you'll get more value from a backup who can rotate into the first team with minimal disruption to the preferred style of play than a back-up with a wildly different skillset used for specialist purposes.
For every game where AWB's better ability to shut an opponent down 1v1 would help us there will be more where his weakness in build up play hurt us, because the former is simply a less frequent requirement in your second choice RB.
The obvious key is buying 2 proper CMs, a controller and a backup to Casemiro.
Without the controlling CM, this makes no sense.
Not to mention that we could really use that positional versatility if Maguire is moved out.
He has apparently been struggling for a while now though? I only saw him in the World Cup, where he certainly didn't dispel such notions. I used to think he'd be an ideal addition, but not so sure what to think now.
Aye but even then that midfielder would have to be a hell of a player to transform the team given you'll still have others who (while having other strengths) aren't exactly perfect possession-retention orientated players. De Gea, Varane, Casemiro, Bruno, etc. A Pep-style side it ain't.
Obviously Liverpool successfully accommodated a very attacking fullback for a few years of major trophy successes in a different way, but we're not really that sort of high-octane pressing side either.
If we signed Frimpong it would certainly be a statement of intent in terms of the amount ETH expects our style of play to shift.
Yes agree with everything you said. Frimpong is the player you buy after we move to a possession style, for which we need a new striker, a controlling CM, a new GK.
Buying Frimpong, while missing out on any of the above, will set us up for failure.
"Frimpong cant defend" is a myth and a ridiculous statement mostly coming from people who never watch him play and just assume: Offensively good = Defensively bad.
Could he cope if we just got a ST and CM,keep saying the GK situation could well be sorted in the following summer but want to be proved wrong
Any reports on what the fee would potentially be?
Looks excellent but with Dalot and AWB not sure a RB would be a priority for me (if funds are going to be limited).
Looks excellent but with Dalot and AWB not sure a RB would be a priority for me (if funds are going to be limited).
Remember reading around 40m euros.
Bayern, Barca and United want him, but Koeman won't even select him as a sub
Bayern, Barca and United want him, but Koeman won't even select him as a sub
Dont you know? He cant defend because he is a wing back and all those clubs play with wing backs where he doesnt have to do any defending…. Oh wait, none of those clubs play with a wing back.
€40mn on a right back doesn't feel like the smartest way to spend a chunk of our transfer budget given we'll likely have to spend eye-watering amounts on a striker and midfielder. Especially given he has such clear flaws in his game even though he is clearly very exciting. Definitely a position I'd prefer to be recruiting from cheaper markets in.
i mean only way it makes sense is if EtH thinks theres someone like laird who can be the cheap backup and then the sales of AWB and Dalot fund the purchase.
It definitely does! He seems to be one of the most productive and exciting right backs that is available. We are in dire need of a consistently dangerous right back.
I don't agree with that at all. Dalot was one of our better performers pre-World Cup and should get back to that standard with some consistent game time. I guess I don't see how RB can be a priority when there are gaping holes elsewhere. It's not even that I think Dalot is amazing - it's just that if we have a similar budget to last year, I would WAY prefer we spent the money on a striker (Osimhen - 120mn) and a press-resistant midfielder who can link play between defence and attack (40-60mn) and a goalkeeper (20mn). And that's been optimistic given the FFP knot we're supposedly in with regard to how much we can spend.
We've got a good number of players that will leave this summer while commanding decent (ish) fees. Henderson, Elanga, McTominay, Maguire, Donny are all potentially leaving and I reckon each will go for a minimum of £15m. We've seen consistent links to Frimpong so ten Hag obviously sees it as an important step in the teams development and I'd agree. We have very little threat from the right at the moment and one of the reasons for that is because neither Dalot nor AWB can properly contribute. Frimpong for £35m could transform how we attack. Well worth it.
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