Jean-Philippe Mateta

Nothing weird unless we all want to live in delulu land. I hope you are correct and we get back to top 4 next season but I don't think it is that easy. We won't have unlimited budget to go and make whole sale changes to the squad.
We won't need unlimited money to do it. A striker, Midfielder, 10 and a wingback would be revolutionary to the system. It's 4 positions and doable in one window, provided we recruit well.

I'm not saying it will happen but it's not like we should target top 10 next season :lol:
 
Nothing weird unless we all want to live in delulu land. I hope you are correct and we get back to top 4 next season but I don't think it is that easy. We won't have unlimited budget to go and make whole sale changes to the squad.
It actually is that easy. Nothing beats correct recruitment and a solid pre season . Its very possible to leap up to 10 places in the league. Leicester and Chelsea did it. Forrest are doing it as we speak. United actually don't need as much recruitment as some imagine. At most they need like 2 perhaps 3 key starters, 2 key backs ups and to close the knowledge gap in the rest of the squad in pre season. A task doable with some good market practice in terms of selling and negotiating good buying fees.
 
It actually is that easy. Nothing beats correct recruitment and a solid pre season . Its very possible to leap up to 10 places in the league. Leicester and Chelsea did it. Forrest are doing it as we speak. United actually don't need as much recruitment as some imagine. At most they need like 2 key starters, 2 key backs ups and to close the knowledge gap in the rest of the squad in pre season
It’s all great points on paper, but here at United there’s a certain aura of pressure that dulls performances. Players often crumble because they’re always in focus and every little action is under a microscope. There’s a lot more negativity because we’ve been in a depression for 13 years and the size of our history weighs heavily. You just don’t have this amount of mental pressure in the other clubs.
 
16 goals in pl last season and 12 this season be a decent purchase but I’d be gutted if we spend £40m on him and have him as our main striker. Surely we need him and a main man up top.

If we lose Anthony, Rashford we’d surely have the money for at least two. We’ll not get anything back for Hojilund after this season so I worry we can’t afford Gyoerkeres.
 
It actually is that easy. Nothing beats correct recruitment and a solid pre season . It’s very possible to leap up to 10 places in the league. Leicester and Chelsea did it. Forrest are doing it as we speak. United actually don't need as much recruitment as some imagine. At most they need like 2 perhaps 3 key starters, 2 key backs ups and to close the knowledge gap in the rest of the squad in pre season. A task doable with some good market practice in terms of selling and negotiating good buying fees.
I agree, despite what everyone thinks we have some gaps in the squad and some under performers. With the right recruitment those underperformers will be forced to raise their game. It’s all ifs though as we all know (or at least we’ve been told) that money is tight.
 
It’s all great points on paper, but here at United there’s a certain aura of pressure that dulls performances. Players often crumble because they’re always in focus and every little action is under a microscope. There’s a lot more negativity because we’ve been in a depression for 13 years and the size of our history weighs heavily. You just don’t have this amount of mental pressure in the other clubs.
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Which is where a great pre season comes in. If the team can get to really gel as a group and bond, even with the staff in addition to getting down the tactical plan for the team fully understood. The transformance in out put can become nigh unbelievable.


Its like now, for example if you were told Pep inherited from Rijkaard a fractured, unhappy and toxic dressing room and first team enivroment. Before he achieved all he did after that one perfect pre season with them. Unless you knew of what transpired before you'd's swear you were being lied to.
 
16 goals in pl last season and 12 this season be a decent purchase but I’d be gutted if we spend £40m on him and have him as our main striker. Surely we need him and a main man up top.

If we lose Anthony, Rashford we’d surely have the money for at least two. We’ll not get anything back for Hojilund after this season so I worry we can’t afford Gyoerkeres.

40m will be too much. I think somewhere around 25-30m is probably acceptable. Gives us 3 good seasons and costs us 10m a year. Hopefully, by then, one of Chido, Rasmus or Zirkzee would have emerged
 
I agree, despite what everyone thinks we have some gaps in the squad and some under performers. With the right recruitment those underperformers will be forced to raise their game. It’s all ifs though as we all know (or at least we’ve been told) that money is tight.
Indee. I'm connvinced Even with tight money good things can be done. Recruitment is about getting the right profile fit you need. Than names or rep. Its rarely about expense. In our case we have to start consistently selling well to finance improvement. On top of our improved negotiation skill for buys. I also hope as a club we finally stop pretending the free transfer market doesnt exist. We could pick up some right gems from it for zilch at great age profiles
 
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Which is where a great pre season comes in. If the team can get to really gel as a group and bond, even with the staff in addition to getting down the tactical plan for the team fully understood. The transformance in out put can become nigh unbelievable.


Its like now, for example if you were told Pep inherited from Rijkaard a fractured, unhappy and toxic dressing room and first team enivroment. Before he achieved all he did after that one perfect pre season with them. Unless you knew of what transpired before you'd's swear you were being lied to.
I don't see how you can come to that conclusion. You can't train in pre-season how you perform under the real pressure in the league. The media and fans don't scrutinize the pre-season as in the league. But I guess a pre season could make the team bond more under less pressure.

If you wanna do the Pep-Rijkaard parallel, I think you need to take into the equation that the game has also completely changed now. The pace and the athleticism is just different.

The talent Pep had available was also on a completely different level imo. He had Messi (who had debuted 3 years before he took over) + the talent pool he had coming from La Mesia was just amazing and he knew them already having coached them at Barcelona B the year before he took over from Rijkard. The removal of Ronaldinho (and Deco) lifted the squad as Messi was ready to take over.

A pre-season would do us very well, but I just think we always seem to see pre season as the perfect excuse of why we don't perform - it's a vague one now that we're out of any bigger competition and have 1/3 of a season to work together imo.

Also I can't think of any United-manager since Ferguson actually having said perfect pre season where all the transfers were made in due time for every one to gel. Hopefully Berrada will take some experience with him from City, as they usually got their transferbusiness done early.

In short, I think Amorim lacks the ingredients (players) for the soup to be good.
 
I’m not a fan. Looked like a donkey in his first couple of seasons and he’s simply having a purple patch, in the same way that Daniel Sturridge looked amazing for a season or two.

We need a higher calibre of striker, though given our lowly league position I’m not sure we can do much better.

Depressing times.
I do worry that only glasner has been able to get a tune out of him.
 
Posts like these are so weird. We don't need to step up to top 10. A good summer and pre season can get us right back to a top 4 challenge.
Maybe a bit over optimistic no?

There’s a lot of work and chuff to be sorted out before we’re a top 4 team. If they can do that in one summer, great. Not sure I share that optimism
 
Maybe a bit over optimistic no?

There’s a lot of work and chuff to be sorted out before we’re a top 4 team. If they can do that in one summer, great. Not sure I share that optimism
I dont think it's optimistic personally. You need a manager who knows his system and players to fulfil it. When you see the likes of Forrest going from relegation zone to champions league in one season, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a highly rated coach like Amorim get the club fighting for top 4 with a strong window.
 
yeah think it was 26+ years or thereabouts! Hopefully ours don't last anywhere near that long :nervous:
That was Utd the 26 years. Liverpool was 30. We may beat that though the way we are going.
 
I dont think it's optimistic personally. You need a manager who knows his system and players to fulfil it. When you see the likes of Forrest going from relegation zone to champions league in one season, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a highly rated coach like Amorim get the club fighting for top 4 with a strong window.
Well I admire your optimism but my thinking right now is that Amorim is closer to getting sacked than he is if leading the team to top 4. This summer is huge. Time will tell I guess.

Ps. Don’t want to be a gloomy sod!
 
Well I admire your optimism but my thinking right now is that Amorim is closer to getting sacked than he is if leading the team to top 4. This summer is huge. Time will tell I guess.

Ps. Don’t want to be a gloomy sod!
Yeah you're not wrong, but it's looking like the design to just rip it all out now so I do think hel get the time. It all depends on how well we recruit this summer really.

If we have the same conversation on expectations after the summer window it would be quite interesting. Transfers can really lift the mood :lol:
 
He's had four seasons at Palace where he's played more than 300 league minutes.

Per 90 non-penalty stats for those seasons:

24/25 - 2132 minutes, 0.42 goals, 0.48 xG
23/24 - 2282 minutes, 0.55 goals, 0.43 xG
22/23 - 770 minutes, 0.23 goals, 0.40 xG
21/22: 1145 minutes, 0.39 goals, 0.46 xG

For all that people are saying he looked bad before Glasner arrived, he actually returned at roughly the same rate in 21/22 as he has this season. And his underlying stats were relatively consistent across all four seasons.

So in terms of basic goal threat at least, there hasn't been some radical change under Glasner. It's mostly just minutes and him having hotter/colder finishing in 23/24 and 22/23 respectively.

Though maybe people who've watched him more have seen a big difference in his general play.
 
He's had four seasons at Palace where he's played more than 300 league minutes.

Per 90 non-penalty stats for those seasons:

24/25 - 2132 minutes, 0.42 goals, 0.48 xG
23/24 - 2282 minutes, 0.55 goals, 0.43 xG
22/23 - 770 minutes, 0.23 goals, 0.40 xG
21/22: 1145 minutes, 0.39 goals, 0.46 xG

For all that people are saying he looked bad before Glasner arrived, he actually returned at roughly the same rate in 21/22 as he has this season. And his underlying stats were relatively consistent across all four seasons.

So in terms of basic goal threat at least, there hasn't been some radical change under Glasner. It's mostly just minutes and him having hotter/colder finishing in 23/24 and 22/23 respectively.

Though maybe people who've watched him more have seen a big difference in his general play.
I can't even remember Mateta before Glasner and just assumed he'd been more or less farmed out or ignored by previous managers, which happens. I think he'd be a great signing. He's a fecking Premier League centre forward at a good age. His form this season

Good to hear he's expected back for the FA Cup quarters.
 
I don't see how you can come to that conclusion. You can't train in pre-season how you perform under the real pressure in the league. The media and fans don't scrutinize the pre-season as in the league. But I guess a pre season could make the team bond more under less pressure.

If you wanna do the Pep-Rijkaard parallel, I think you need to take into the equation that the game has also completely changed now. The pace and the athleticism is just different.

The talent Pep had available was also on a completely different level imo. He had Messi (who had debuted 3 years before he took over) + the talent pool he had coming from La Mesia was just amazing and he knew them already having coached them at Barcelona B the year before he took over from Rijkard. The removal of Ronaldinho (and Deco) lifted the squad as Messi was ready to take over.

A pre-season would do us very well, but I just think we always seem to see pre season as the perfect excuse of why we don't perform - it's a vague one now that we're out of any bigger competition and have 1/3 of a season to work together imo.

Also I can't think of any United-manager since Ferguson actually having said perfect pre season where all the transfers were made in due time for every one to gel. Hopefully Berrada will take some experience with him from City, as they usually got their transferbusiness done early.

In short, I think Amorim lacks the ingredients (players) for the soup to be good.
Actually Nottingham Forrest when Nuno took over mid season,c ompared to Nottingham Forrest now is an even better example to understand what am alluding to than the Barca omene. This united squad Amorim took over is filed with 95% players who have never played a back 3 system at any level in their careers let alone Amorim type of football. That is why so many look lost and many are conflating that knowledge gap issue with lack of ability. The training time in mid season isn't close to enough to bridge that gap in know how.

Forrest were similar. They had no clue how to truly play Nuno's way. Pre season training corrected that knowledge gap. Then with like 2 key recruits see them now.

All I'm arguing is I expect United if we get recruitment spot on to follow a similar path of improvement. After a full pre season program with Amorim and his staff
 
Aside from being decent I've noticed he has a very strong bum
 
Didn’t really set the goal scoring charts on fire before, and that’s the reason why we’d be buying him so it’s a concern
22/23 he had 19 goals and 23/24 he had 15, which is pretty damn good for Palace, and I know he scored against us before the brace he had this season. Having lived for a time in Tooting, I sort of follow Palace and watch their matches when I can, and he always seems dangerous as fook. Would be a massive upgrade on Hojlund, but then again who wouldn't be, but I get the feeling Mateta would take it to a new level on another stage. At 27, he's about right in his prime at the moment. Unfortunate Millwall's keeper assaulted him. That sort of foul could have mental issues in the future, so that would be a concern
 
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For £40m is probably reasonable value in the market but if Palace is asking for £50m or £60m then it’s too much for 2025 summer striker market because someone like Osimhen has release clause of £62m.