ROFL. So true though.
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ROFL. So true though.
Has been an abolute dream of mine for us to get our grubby wee mits on him.
Likelihood though? Plays a lot a t an amazing level and seemsfairlyintegral to Peps plans.
Likelihood though? Plays a lot a t an amazing level and seemsfairlyintegral to Peps plans.
Yes, I agree to some extent.
But the negative news seems to be fact. We are not after someone, or someone is not available, whereas the "Positive" side you suggest, is just pure speculation and not based on anything but wishful thinking!
I don't see anything much that you can class as "fact".
The press speculate that we want a player or players, then another bloke on Twitter or from another paper says "he's turned them down" or "isn't for sale".
Muller is a good example. No actual evidence that United were in for him, other than the tenuous link the he might be unhappy and had his debut under LVG. Then he signs a new deal and its a "blow for United". There is nothing to suggest the club were ever interested were in for him. LVG might rate him - doesn't mean he wants to buy him, but its an easy, believable story to peddle.
This sums it up - it's all over the papers that we want Schweinsteiger. Then the MEN say United are "not interested". The reality is the club are keeping quiet and the press don't want to tell the truth which is that they know nothing. They need to tweet or write about something to sell papers and stay relevant - and people seem to lap it up.
As it is the club will evidently be working on various targets. The club and manager will know who they want - and that's what matters. The reality is 99% of what is put out there is likely baseless rubbish.
No. Actually Müller is not a good example. The information there was a lot more concrete than what you read in the English newspapers and the magazine that told first about has reported about the first two offers of Manchester United in the last 5 years - and that were later confirmed by Müller or his agent. They really have a relieable source in Müller's camp. And Bild has into the Bayern camp about Rummenigge's talks with Woodward. The concrete informations about the offer and how the story ran came when they announced Müller's prolongation the evening prior to Bayern's announcement... (before that it was more the first source and how Müller and his agent did not want a full confirmation)
It always is the problem that muppets mix with the real stories.
And for anybody in Germany or in the Bayern camp that has seen Müller and van Gaal it was never a doubt that he would try to make him his signing. The only doubt was if he can be lured away - and how Bayern would react. I guess he got them in a turmoil.
How is it relevant now that the club were interested in the past when we've now got a new Chief exec and have had three different managers over that period?
Sounds to me like an even better reason to re-hash old stories- especially with the player after a new deal. His agent won't have discouraged any suggestion Unite were desperate to sign his client.
You can make all the assumptions you want - doesn't mean there is any truth in it. LVG may rate the player but that's no guarantee that he wants to sign him.
At the end of the day the point I was making was that only the club and manager know for sure who they want - the press comment is speculation, some possibly accurate but the vast majority probably totally inaccurate.
So any chance Bayern let him go ?
For 35 million Pounds or around might be worth a try ? Pep prefers Lahm and Thiago in midfield holding role, and he surely isn't worth that much to them as a Makeshift CB ? And if they buy another proper CB which they seem to want his game time stands to be reduced even more.
He would have a good understanding with Herrera as well.
For 35 million Pounds or around might be worth a try ? Pep prefers Lahm and Thiago in midfield holding role, and he surely isn't worth that much to them as a Makeshift CB ? And if they buy another proper CB which they seem to want his game time stands to be reduced even more.
He would have a good understanding with Herrera as well.
Would love him here but chances are slimmer than Mo Farrahs little finger!
he´ll stay for sure. I think that he´ll be the starting CB next season + he also might get more time in midfield again.
A Basque midfield, I like it 
Don't see it happening though.
Don't see it happening though.
I doubt that Bayern would sell any more players who are able to play in the first eleven, after they sold Kroos and Mandzukic. Why would they?
Don't think he'll regularly start as one of the two centerbacks in a back four. There's a good chance we'll see a lot more of him in the central defender in a back three role he played in the cup final though and he was excellent in that game.
He's not really a starter Under Pep though unless as a Makeshift CB. They can get a Proper CB for that much.
He was arguably the best Midfielder in Europe the season before. Till how long will he be content playing a squad role ?
I doubt, that a back 3/5 is the future with Pep. We might see it occasionally, but it wont be our normal system. Dante´s last season was good but not great. The worldcup is over, which was huge motivation for him. I dont think that he´ll be an automatic starter anymore and Badstuber surely needs time to come back.
Its also getting less likely that Schweinsteiger will be our #6, So Javi might get another shot on this postion.
Anyway. Martinez is going nowhere this summer.
Do you guys as in Bayern fans think 3 at the back will be a regular ? And Do you see Bayern buying another CB particularly and maybe a more Pep type CM too ? Or will Alaba be next season's Lahm ?
In which case where does Javi Martinez fit in terms of game time ?
In which case where does Javi Martinez fit in terms of game time ?
Didn't you write in the 'Germany at the World Cup' thread that you don't trust Schweini as the holding midfielder instead of Lahm? You might be wrong againI doubt, that a back 3/5 is the future with Pep. We might see it occasionally, but it wont be our normal system. Dante´s last season was good but not great. The worldcup is over, which was huge motivation for him. I dont think that he´ll be an automatic starter anymore and Badstuber surely needs time to come back.
Its also getting less likely that Schweinsteiger will be our #6, So Javi might get another shot on this postion.
Anyway. Martinez is going nowhere this summer.
.Oh and yes of course, Martinez is going nowhere. It's not even worth discussing that really, it's plain obvious that he has a huge future at the club.
He's obviously a top player but i sense a Ozil at Real, Mata at Chelsea type of situation building up for him. If not this summer, then the next if Guardiola is still there. I doubt at his age, demand and talent he will accept being Mascherano'd for too long either.
He's not though.
Didn't you write in the 'Germany at the World Cup' thread that you don't trust Schweini as the holding midfielder instead of Lahm? You might be wrong again
Oh and yes of course, Martinez is going nowhere. It's not even worth discussing that really, it's plain obvious that he has a huge future at the club.
I always wanted him to play on this position last season. I thought a midfield of Schweinsteiger, Thiago, Kroos would have been brilliant.
I just didnt trust a half-fit Schweinsteiger to anchor a midfield with Khedira and Özil, while I was also mentioning that he did that in 2010. Anyway. The past is the past.
Pep used him differently and I dont see why this should change. Its possible and I would love it, but expect that Schweinsteiger plays the role that Kroos had.
It all depends on where Lahm is going to play. I just hope that Pep makes a decision and sticks with it, then we'll be fine either way. We have so many versatile players and it's great to use versatility within certain roles. But completely changing the formation and tactics and throwing the players in different roles all the time definitely hurt the team in the run-in last season.
As i asked above, where does he fit in the future as a starter ? Even more so if you buy another CB which you guys actually should.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/javi-martinez.390328/page-4#post-16079989
At best he is a Makeshift CB, or a Sweeper when you go 3 at the back for selected games and 3rd or 2nd choice in his best position.
That's pretty similar to What happened to Mascherano whose profile went from one of the best DM's in Europe to just a Utility sort of player. And he showed in the WC how good he still can be in his role even though he has now declined. Martinez is more talented too.
It's difficult to predict what position he'll play next season. We had so many injuries in midfield, Martinez himself missed pre-season and the first two months and then another 2 months in winter, but overall he played more often in midfield than in defense and most of the time started, when he was fully fit. Now with Kroos gone, there's more a lack of players in midfield than in defense and Thiago is still injured if I'm not mistaken. We also still lack a quality rightback replacement for Lahm, which makes it unlikely that he moves into midfield permanantly. We pretty much missed 2 out of Thiago, Schweinsteiger and Martinez at all times last season and our only consistent starter in midfield has just signed with Real, so I don't think we can read too much into what happened last year.
feck Guardiola. Bayern midfield was better with Martinez and Bastian
I'm not sure if both of them together were available to him during last season for more than 4 weeks, probably never both fully fit at the same time at all. They really took turns in being injured
The way i see it you can only play 2 of Lahm, Thiago, Schweinsteiger and Martinez and for a CM role, and in his style Guardiola seems to rate Martinez as 4th of those. And then you have bought Rode too, and hinting at some game time for Alaba more in CM as well (AS you said in the other thread as well) along with Hojberg who looks a talent coming through. Though those 3 can be discounted seperately right now.
Guess selling Kroos might mean he stays next season but if you especially buy a CB as you should , unless Pep adapts his philosophy can see situation for him wanting to leave next summer.
I still think this guy is more suited to our needs than perhaps any other midfielder kicking about right now. He'd compliment Herrera and Mata perfectly.
Infact, didn't that trio once win the European U21s? I'd dig some of that.
Infact, didn't that trio once win the European U21s? I'd dig some of that.
Javi Martinez has revealed doctors have told him they are 99% certain he has suffered a broken anterior cruciate ligament in Bayern Munich's 2-0 DFL-Supercup defeat to Borussia Dortmund.
....He's going to be out for the season by the looks of it..Big blow to Pep...I reckon Bayern might go in for Vidal now after this
....He's going to be out for the season by the looks of it..Big blow to Pep...I reckon Bayern might go in for Vidal now after this
They have enough midfielders as it is.
Do they? Kroos has left, Thiago is still injured...
They do have a feck load of midfielders
He mostly plays centre back for them anyways.
They have Schweinsteiger (plagued by injuries last season...), Thiago (also injury prone, out for another few months), Lahm (still better at full back in my view), Sebastian Rode and Højbjerg. That's not really too strong depth-wise, if Javi Martínez is out.
It looked like he was going to be used in defence anyway, and if Guardiola was planning on using a 3 man defence regularly it's hard to see anyone replacing him as the ball playing one.
So, we are linked with a player all summer and then Bayern swoop in and take him? ala Thiago.
Such a shame for Martinez though. Feel for him.
Such a shame for Martinez though. Feel for him.
I don't think we've seen Schweinsteiger and Martinez together on the pitch with both being close to 100% fit a single time since the CL final against Dortmund . It sucks so much. The heart of our treble winning team taken away and every time it looks like we could finally see them both together again on the pitch, shit like yesterday happens.
Doubt Vidal is the solution to replace Martinez, they are totally different players.
. It sucks so much. The heart of our treble winning team taken away and every time it looks like we could finally see them both together again on the pitch, shit like yesterday happens.Doubt Vidal is the solution to replace Martinez, they are totally different players.
I wonder if they'll pick up Khedira now they're looking short on numbers.
Huge blow. They'll probably renter the market.
Vidal would suit them down to the ground.
I watched the game last night and it was a really odd injury, his leg whiplashed from the volley into the Dortmund defender, it's a real shame that he'll be sidelined all season as I think the sweeper role in Pep's new back 3 was an ideal way to utilize him as opposed to a pure CB.
It's amazing to see this turned into a "Oh shit! now they'll want Vidal." thread, Vidal is a box to box CM, Martinez is playing as the middle man in a back 3, if Bayern go for a replacement then I imagine it will be someone more suited to the sweeper role than Vidal.
It's amazing to see this turned into a "Oh shit! now they'll want Vidal." thread, Vidal is a box to box CM, Martinez is playing as the middle man in a back 3, if Bayern go for a replacement then I imagine it will be someone more suited to the sweeper role than Vidal.
Won't surprise me if they took Bender.
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