Jason Wilcox - New technical director

Of course. They are doing it together.

The question for me is whether this game model can work with the players we have. On paper it sounds great: high pressing, high defensive line, keep the ball well, attack with speed and numbers.

It sure isn‘t working right now, and the blame can‘t just be on Ten Hag because they are all working on it together.

There is something seriously wrong with how the tactics are performed on the pitch by the players.
I just said in the Ten had thread, I think the defenders can as they have been a bright spot so far, but currently the midfield and attackers can't. Now I would like to believe the attackers can in the future, but I don't believe the midfield we currently see can - we didn't prioritise midfield in the summer.

The main issue with the attackers is they seem very content to give up when it's not going their way and we have little depth to freshen it up. Midfield just has to be overhauled.
 
He better do something before it goes cox up.
How does he do it? I don't know. I don't get paid for it.
 
I just said in the Ten had thread, I think the defenders can as they have been a bright spot so far, but currently the midfield and attackers can't. Now I would like to believe the attackers can in the future, but I don't believe the midfield we currently see can - we didn't prioritise midfield in the summer.

The main issue with the attackers is they seem very content to give up when it's not going their way and we have little depth to freshen it up. Midfield just has to be overhauled.
Midfield overhaul is not complete, I agree. Fit upgrades on Eriksen and Casemiro are needed.

But I‘m not sure that that is the biggest issue. The way we collapse and fall apart points to other issues.
 
Midfield overhaul is not complete, I agree. Fit upgrades on Eriksen and Casemiro are needed.

But I‘m not sure that that is the biggest issue. The way we collapse and fall apart points to other issues.
Well I think our intensity isn't there bar the defenders. Our midfield gets constantly run over and the attackers can't keep the ball, not sure how you solve that without changing personnel - that we don't have.
 
They screwed up keeping Ten Hag in place. I don't think the fan letters and polls with a bunch of reactionary top reds helped either.

I would like the fanbase to come around to the idea that you don't need a manager but a coach, and they don't exactly have to be in charge beyond 3 or 4 years either, they just need to be competent and get the best out of the players.

Just because it didn't work with other managers does not mean if we give Ten Hag time it will magically begin to work with him. He's clearly not up to it, the best we looked was when we played Ole tactics and Rashford was in the form of his life.

He's never actually looked anything other than terrible when he has tried to implement his own style of play.
 
I mean there's been all sorts of reports on how Wilcox is supposed to be influencing our game model, so he surely has to take some blame for how we set up?
In the long term? Yes.

In the short term? No. He's not the one training the players. He's not the one naming the line-up. He's not holding ETH's hand on every decision on game-day, and going into the minute details. My understanding is that he will be going into more detail than Ashworth about the playstyle and tactics, but it's still going to be on the larger scale while it's up to the manager to implement it and handle the specifics. If the manager then proves unable to implement it, Wilcox will most likely be the main one deciding why it's failed (is it due to the manager, the coaching staff, the players, etc) and then reporting back to Ashworth and Berrada. Then the three of them will decide what to do from there.

While we aren't playing well, we aren't using the suicidal one-man midfield like we were last season, and we aren't as ridiculously open and easy to cut through (van de Ven notwithstanding). That very well may be due to Wilcox discussing it with ETH, and ETH then adjusting his tactics accordingly. But he's not going to be going into very specific details.
 
Well I think our intensity isn't there bar the defenders. Our midfield gets constantly run over and the attackers can't keep the ball, not sure how you solve that without changing personnel - that we don't have.
The players certainly are one aspect, but the tactics and coaching have at least as big of an impact. There's plenty of teams with worse players than us holding the ball and playing better football than we are, using superior positioning, movement and patterns of play to move the ball around.
 
In the long term? Yes.

In the short term? No. He's not the one training the players. He's not the one naming the line-up. He's not holding ETH's hand on every decision on game-day, and going into the minute details. My understanding is that he will be going into more detail than Ashworth about the playstyle and tactics, but it's still going to be on the larger scale while it's up to the manager to implement it and handle the specifics. If the manager then proves unable to implement it, Wilcox will most likely be the main one deciding why it's failed (is it due to the manager, the coaching staff, the players, etc) and then reporting back to Ashworth and Berrada. Then the three of them will decide what to do from there.

While we aren't playing well, we aren't using the suicidal one-man midfield like we were last season, and we aren't as ridiculously open and easy to cut through (van de Ven notwithstanding). That very well may be due to Wilcox discussing it with ETH, and ETH then adjusting his tactics accordingly. But he's not going to be going into very specific details.
Akin to saying that whilst we're still shit, we're not as shit.

It was a tough market to be in for a new manager, and we're all terrified of Gareth Southgate. But this is not going to get any better. I'm not sure what Ineos are waiting for but I'm really disappointed, and concerned that it's not already happened. We just delaying the inevitable and wasting more points.

There's been seasons where it's been terrible but you could make a genuine case to say the players were not up to it. We have good players in the team. This is purely down to coaching.
 
I mean there's been all sorts of reports on how Wilcox is supposed to be influencing our game model, so he surely has to take some blame for how we set up?
He's supposed to be doing that but I highly doubt he has as much input in how we play simply because Ten Hag seems very pig headed and probably wont even entertain it as he will see it as a challenge to his authority.