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Jason Wilcox - New technical director
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There been any word on what our ‘game model’ will be?
The reported targets aren’t giving loads away
The reported targets aren’t giving loads away
With the Dutchmen arriving in both playing and coaching staff? We're going full Cruyff total football.
Van Nistelrooy, De ligt and Zirkzee are done deal. Now missing only De Jong?
Seems like a Dutch invasion. Relax, if all goes well, we will play Dutch inspired football without a contingent of Dutch coaches and players here in the future, like Barça and the Spain national team.
Let's hope it's 1970s Dutch football that's the inspiration and not the 2020s version.
Cruijf school of course, no worries. With a modern twist.
'Dutch United' on the way.
I read TH wants to play attacking 4-3-3 yesterday on Newsnow.
One can hope. If you look at the current Spain setup, I think that is super balanced and works so well. If we develop in that direction, we could excel imo
What did we play last year? Oh wait…
April:
Half a year later we’re reaping the rewards. Aiding a Dutch flop manager with an army of mediocre Dutch players and staff. A complete and utter conman.
Half a year later we’re reaping the rewards. Aiding a Dutch flop manager with an army of mediocre Dutch players and staff. A complete and utter conman.
shit bump
Funny bump 
Do you guys have anything constructive to say? As always with this fanbase you’re not allowed to say anything critical about anyone at the club. We’re not supposed to have any sort of expectations.Funny bump
Since the bump was seemingly unneeded I’m sure you’ll be able explain how his ‘game model’ has improved us in the past 5-6 months:
How Jason Wilcox’s ‘game model’ aims to find Man Utd’s identity and end era of zombie squads
United’s new technical director will help define a coherent playing style that will shape the recruitment of players and coachesI think it’s hard to point a finger at JW just yet. He’s not been in post long and can’t imagine he’s not sat down with ETH and told him the vision and direction for style of play. He must be as frustrated and angry as the rest of us. Which makes the decision to keep ETH when he hasn’t tried to change or implement anything since last seasons debacle as crazy. JW reputation is in the line too and he must be itching for change.
If I recall correctly, from the Talk of the Devils podcast, Laurie mentioned that his role was not to set how the team play but to understand how the manager wants to play and convey that to the rest of the management. I'm sure there's some back and forth too, but I'm not sure how much of an influence he has.
I guess it'll take some time to put in a place an identity or a system given how we've had so many varying playstyles over the last decade.
I guess it'll take some time to put in a place an identity or a system given how we've had so many varying playstyles over the last decade.
Cannot be judged till Ten Hag is out of there. The first correct time to judge him is the next manager appointment as i'm sure he will have major input in that given his role.
Such a drama queen. 'complete and utter conman' FFS...give him a little time to get his feet under the table. Seems like you're being hysterical across multiple threads about the way the club is run. We get it, it's been a bad start to the season, calm down.
This is completely opposite with what his boss vision for the club:
"Sir Jim Ratcliffe insists Manchester United's new power brokers will settle on a style of play that the coach will have to execute as part of a three-year plan.
United's form under manager Erik ten Hag has improved of late, with five successive wins, yet they remain reliant on counter-attacks and have failed to master the controlling style Ten Hag was appointed to implement.
In a briefing with journalists at the Ineos office in Knightsbridge, Ratcliffe suggested Ineos sporting director Sir Dave Brailsford, incoming chief executive Omar Berrada and potential sporting director Dan Ashworth would agree on a specific style that any United coach would be expected to embrace"
@Samid, always shouting 
The boffins are genuinely in the mud and quite rightly. They are probably the most well paid people in their positions within the industry (or at least up there). Show some fecking gumption.
It's quite curious isn't it, the suspicion was that ETH was being kept around as a fall guy for Ineos to claim an easy win if things didn't go as planned in the first few months. However the reality is it's so glaringly obvious that ETH will be gone regardless that everyone's focus has pretty much instantly switched to the senior management and what they're doing about it. Can't help but think that if part of the reason for keeping ETH on was to have any easy scapegoat then it's backfired on them pretty quickly.
You really think 6 months is a fair sample size to judge him when his colleagues have only been in the job since the summer (~3months), when the entire coaching staff have been replaced and when we’ve had the turnover in the squad we’ve seen this summer? Tough crowd.
Surely that’s Ashworth remit?
I think he should be more than capable of not being thrashed by Spurs. And he should be able to have the players exhibiting better intensity vs Twente.
The in game subs have also been poor.
Edit - thought we were talking about ten hag
They've made a rod for their own back no doubt. It's unbelievable that we had months over spring/summer to make a plan and get a manager in during the break, but instead decided to renew the current hapless dolt. We are now less than 10 games into the season with it all falling apart, facing the prospect of a dramatically reduced managerial pool to choose from. And the worst part is, this was all so obvious. The swell in support after the FA Cup you can sort of forgive from fans (still though, cop on guys), but from the top brass, "best in class"? Quite something.
Since when is he responsible for that.
Genuinely thought I was in the Ten Hag thread
Ok. He should get eth sacked soon though.Genuinely thought I was in the Ten Hag thread
He probably will
Yeah Ashworth is the lead obviously but given its JW's job to move United towards some consistent style of play and performance level, I would imagine his input on the future manager would be pretty sizable and important. I would hold both responsible for the next managerial appointment for sure.
Hmm, Wilcox's name isn't mentioned there. From what I understand Wilcox is more on the day-to-day side of things. Reporting back what is seen, keeping things on "track" for the long term goals.
While the rest mentioned are the ones that define the wholistic approach of the club.
I can see why they kept ETH given how there were so many unknowns last season (Injuries, bad player profiles etc.) and we had seen glimpses of some good football, the trophies helped no doubt. But yeah, I hope the next decision comes soon and we don't dwell too much on the ETH boat. Need to be ruthless, just like Jim is with everything else at the club.
Read what you wrote especially the bolded part, that's why I said it was exact opposite with what SJR want. The football structure should dictate and implement the style of play.
If I recall correctly, from the Talk of the Devils podcast, Laurie mentioned that his role was not to set how the team play but to understand how the manager wants to play and convey that to the rest of the management. I'm sure there's some back and forth too, but I'm not sure how much of an influence he has.
Despite the hand wringing from a lot of fans, I've seen very little from the senior management team that makes me think they're big fans of ETH. From the very public conversations with other managers, to the lack of a new contract to the pointedly cool comments by the CEO.
If the CEO and DOF had been in post six months earlier, I think that ETH would have been replaced. But in reality, the conversations about the club's vision for its football and the team they need in every department to make it happen hadn't even started when we needed to make a decision about ETH.
I think they knew that the manager this season might end up being a placeholder while they assembled their preferred team. And with ETH finishing the season on a high I think they just hoped that he would be able to hold the fort for one more season, stop them being rushed into getting a new manager before they were ready. With an outside chance he might flourish, of course. As it is, it looks like events have overtaken them and they'll be deciding sooner than they hoped.
The irony after such a dogshit bump
You nor any of us have a clue what his role actually entails.
I mean there's been all sorts of reports on how Wilcox is supposed to be influencing our game model, so he surely has to take some blame for how we set up?
Of course. They are doing it together.
The question for me is whether this game model can work with the players we have. On paper it sounds great: high pressing, high defensive line, keep the ball well, attack with speed and numbers.
It sure isn‘t working right now, and the blame can‘t just be on Ten Hag because they are all working on it together.
There is something seriously wrong with how the tactics are performed on the pitch by the players.