Don't see the manager sanctioning this.
Januzaj on loan to Sunderland?
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As you say we have an interest in playing Wilson (or Januzaj or whoever) for their development. The loaning team doesn't. They would purely play them out of wanting to win. I wouldn't bet a lot on Januzaj just walking into a lot of the starting XIs in the league currently, so I don't see how Wilson would have a chance at all. Hence loaning him out would be completely pointless. This is just my take on things obviously.
Lukaku can't be compared as he was clearly ready (due to physique).
Didn't Bamford score quite a lot in the Championship last season? Wilson has only been prolific playing youth football.
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For me will Wilson will not get many chances this year, will LVG play Wilson instead of Fellaini, Hernandez, Depay, (Pedro) as a false 9, should Rooney get injured. Probably not. So a low prem or championship loan makes sense. He'll get odd Carling cup games potentially.
Welbeck however, a player that has made it at top clubs, got a prem loan at a similar age. If we think Wilson will make it, I'd hope he'd get a prem loan rather than a championship. Maybe he's not good enough that's my question.
Januzaj on the other hand for me is 100% good enough to make it at a decent level and potentially Utd should he get game time. But is he going to get enough this year at the start of the season. Since Moyes I think Januzaj has gone backwards due to a lack of games. A loan to any club would be good, but picking this club is the tough bit.
This should have happened at the beginning of last season, then he might have settled and improved a bit.
A loan would do him good, should have happened last season too. At his age you need to play week in week out, it's a no-brainer.
Pretty much nailed it. If you're loaning out a youngster, then you loan them to a club who see the loan as United doing them a huge favour.
'United have done us a huge favour and given us a key player'
The likes of Everton would see it as them doing us a favour as much as us doing them one. Swansea wouldn't loan a player for the first team who they weren't planning to sign anyway. But if they did, they wouldn't see us loaning them Januzaj as a huge favour.
If it's not a huge favour, it's increasing the chance of failure, and it might as well not happen.
It's difficult to see where he'd be nailed on to play within this league.
Fully agree. Think of it from a Sunderland fan's point of view... they'll be like "We're signing Adnan freakin Janzuzaj!!!". Unless he does something very wrong in training he'll be played from the outset, and he should indeed prove himself to be better than anyone else they have, and hecne keep the place.
If he fails to impress, then the future is starting to look a bit cloudy for him at United, tbh.
We loan players out all the time, but look at how effective it is. I can't think how many dozens of players we've sent out of loan in recent years, but success rate is very low.
'Successful' loans - Evans, Welbeck, Beckham (ages ago), Richardson, O'Shea.
I think there is a temptation to think it's the best thing for a player because it means you actually do something rather than just keep them training as they have done, but very few players achieve anything after a loan.
I can't help but thinking that if Januzaj leaves on loan he won't be back.
'Successful' loans - Evans, Welbeck, Beckham (ages ago), Richardson, O'Shea.
I think there is a temptation to think it's the best thing for a player because it means you actually do something rather than just keep them training as they have done, but very few players achieve anything after a loan.
I can't help but thinking that if Januzaj leaves on loan he won't be back.
holy feck. Thats is a great picI think they are.
I think this would make our squad even weaker. I've no idea why we're getting rid of so many players when we're going to be involved in more games than last season. Apart from Darmian and Shaw, I'm struggling to see improvement. While Schneiderlin and Schweinsteiger look like improvement on paper, the result of these signings appears to be that Herrera will no longer be playing, which imo makes the team worse than it was last season.
Strong possibility of Hernandez being sold to West Ham by the looks of things. Defence clearly not good enough and yet no indication of a cb signing even with good potential signings available. Clearly Otamendi should be a Utd player by now, why he isn't is beyond me. No indications of a proper striker signing (not counting Pedro). Wilson hasn't shown he's good enough unfortunately. Selling Januzaj after a good performance from him in pre-season in the striking position is another questionable decision for me, as would be letting Lingard go.
Honestly, I think we're more unbalanced now than we were last season and the striking options we have currently (which will probably be worse by the start of the season) are a lot worse than our midfield options last year imo.
Also, we can't be sure how Darmian and Memphis will adapt to the Premier League despite some positive signs. Memphis in particular could take time to adapt. Pedro (assuming he signs) could also have issues with the increased physicality of the league. A lot of uncertainties right now and potentially serious problems if we get injuries (which judging by last season we probably will).
Can't see a genuine title challenge (without late unseen signings like a top striker and cb) which isn't good enough imo. I also don't think top 4 is as secure as everyone thinks. Liverpool and Spurs could both make top 4 potentially.
Strong possibility of Hernandez being sold to West Ham by the looks of things. Defence clearly not good enough and yet no indication of a cb signing even with good potential signings available. Clearly Otamendi should be a Utd player by now, why he isn't is beyond me. No indications of a proper striker signing (not counting Pedro). Wilson hasn't shown he's good enough unfortunately. Selling Januzaj after a good performance from him in pre-season in the striking position is another questionable decision for me, as would be letting Lingard go.
Honestly, I think we're more unbalanced now than we were last season and the striking options we have currently (which will probably be worse by the start of the season) are a lot worse than our midfield options last year imo.
Also, we can't be sure how Darmian and Memphis will adapt to the Premier League despite some positive signs. Memphis in particular could take time to adapt. Pedro (assuming he signs) could also have issues with the increased physicality of the league. A lot of uncertainties right now and potentially serious problems if we get injuries (which judging by last season we probably will).
Can't see a genuine title challenge (without late unseen signings like a top striker and cb) which isn't good enough imo. I also don't think top 4 is as secure as everyone thinks. Liverpool and Spurs could both make top 4 potentially.
Send him to Bournemouth! 
Should have happened last season, a loan to January would probably be ideal.
I'm always doubtful of loans but at the same time it's better than no football
I'm always doubtful of loans but at the same time it's better than no football
Cleverley to Wigan as well. (I guess Villa too, but at that point we had given up on him.)
Very good move if it happens. I can't see him getting anywhere near the team if he plays the way he did last season. He constantly kept giving the ball away and did not contribute positively when he came on.
At the moment, he is currently fighting with Mata, Depay and Young for two places(With the possibility of other signings) and I can't see him displacing any of them
I think he'll definitely get games at Sunderland which would only benefit him and United. Maybe he'll come back in a year and cement a spot in the starting 11 or at least force the manager to consider him if he makes an impact at another club
At the moment, he is currently fighting with Mata, Depay and Young for two places(With the possibility of other signings) and I can't see him displacing any of them
I think he'll definitely get games at Sunderland which would only benefit him and United. Maybe he'll come back in a year and cement a spot in the starting 11 or at least force the manager to consider him if he makes an impact at another club
Horrible choice atleast let him play in a team that suits our play style.
How do you know what their style will be, they have a relatively new manager. Who btw is dutch and, will want to employ 433 too.
Anyway its more important for him to get minutes and confidence by playing week in week out, and trying to establish himself as a key player there. He would learn an awful lot for it if he can be successful there.
yeah but the players around him aren't suited for it.
They are making signings.
Are people taking this tweet seriously? Hasnt the same thing been reported about several other teams over the past year?
I'd be disappointed if we couldn't make use of him ourselves but if hes not in the managers plans this season then send him out.
don't see it's to happen. if no new striker coming in, after the preseason games he can easily become the 2nd striker of the pecking order. and if he can take his chance as i sure he will have it over the season, no one can even tell what will be his limit.
He will, Louis Van Philosophy is determined to make sure that anything SAF touched is no longer at the club.
To be honest I'd loan Perraria and Lingard. They've both had promising pre-seasons but it has to be seen if they can do it in a regular premier league season. Januzaj has proved that he is worthy of starting for Man United. At times during the Moyesy era he was simply the best player on the pitch. A loan would really piss me off tbh. He's good enough to start.
If we sign just Pedro, I think we should keep him. This year we will play 60+ games and he will get enough games here with our limited options up front - I think 20+ games easily. It would be very risky to start the season with such a shortness of attacking players.
However if we sign Pedro + another attacker, then I would say it's better to loan him out - Sunderland are terrible, but LVG and Advokaat are probably buddies and LVG probably got assurances that Januzaj will play enough games, plus Advokaat will use similar system to LVG.
However if we sign Pedro + another attacker, then I would say it's better to loan him out - Sunderland are terrible, but LVG and Advokaat are probably buddies and LVG probably got assurances that Januzaj will play enough games, plus Advokaat will use similar system to LVG.
Adnan is all Moyes in my opinion.
He played well under Moyes, basically "The Philosophy" cant take credit for him so thats why he will be sent away. He is a good player but was a mess last season due to "The Philosophy" doing its best to curb his natural instincts.
Agree with others that loan makes sense for his development.
I don't get the 'anywhere but Sunderland' attitude though. They are moving on from the Di Canio/Poyet years and the signing of Lens is a promising indication of how Advocaat wants to play. No issue with the fans aside from the reminders about Sergio's goal. If the aim is to send Januzaj somewhere where he should start regularly in the Premier League, then Sunderland fits the bill almost perfectly. Playing somewhere where he'll have to defend a bit more probably isn't a bad thing either if he wants to gain LVGs confidence.
I don't get the 'anywhere but Sunderland' attitude though. They are moving on from the Di Canio/Poyet years and the signing of Lens is a promising indication of how Advocaat wants to play. No issue with the fans aside from the reminders about Sergio's goal. If the aim is to send Januzaj somewhere where he should start regularly in the Premier League, then Sunderland fits the bill almost perfectly. Playing somewhere where he'll have to defend a bit more probably isn't a bad thing either if he wants to gain LVGs confidence.
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It would be silly to let him go to those twats over at Sunderland. It's a bloody graveyard. Better off at a place like Swansea or even Stoke at this point. He needs a team that will play attacking football, not one where the fans celebrate defeat. I know... I still can't let that go...
He probably isnt good enough to start over there. Swansea have Montero, Sigurdsson, Ayea, Ki and Stoke have Bojan, Affelay, Arnautovic, Van Ginkel.
Same as most on here - loan, yes, Sunderland... hoping he can do better.
If he does really well at Sunderland doesnt that pose questions in itself. I mean we have a manager famed for bringing on young players himself, but to date we have not seen too much of that, and we put it down to them not being good enough. Will be interesting how he comes on whilst at Sunderland.
I might be deluded but I really don't think this loan will happen. For some reason I see him stay here and
1. Succeed this season, putting last year behind him
2. Struggle and get sold next summer
Also, am I missing something here or why are many of you talking like he's already gone?
1. Succeed this season, putting last year behind him
2. Struggle and get sold next summer
Also, am I missing something here or why are many of you talking like he's already gone?
Why "anywhere but Sunderland"?
I know a few of our fans pissed you lot off with the Aguero goal. As a Sunderland fan, I thought it was cringe worthy but you seem to go over the top with the hating of us. It was an incredible moment in the history of English football and many just got carried away with it.
For what it's worth, I wanted United to win the title. If Sunderland don't win the league (yes, I know, haha) I'd rather United won the league than any of your rivals such as Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal or City.
it's nothing to do with hating Sunderland, it's just that... well ... you're a bit shit.
He'd be guaranteed 30+ games. Where he plays is the problem both United and us will look at.
Hasn't done the players you have sent us before any harm. Evans was our best player for 2 seasons under Keano and Welbeck was integral to a top half finish under Bruce.