Gosh I'm laughing so hard now...
Seriously, when is this shit going to get old and go away. It's nearly as tedious as the Leon Osman jokes...
January Transfer Window
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Seriously, when is this shit going to get old and go away. It's nearly as tedious as the Leon Osman jokes...
Did you watch our last game? Back from injury, was close to getting two very good assists, one from a counterattack that he started and one from a very good attacking play when we were on attack. Plus, he's two years younger than Coleman!
There's some simple minds on here, they'll get bored eventually.
probably will be there until our great club stops getting dragged through the mud by this incompetent clown?
we are a laughing stock when it comes to transfers and until our first team is able to compete with our rivals again, it will remain a laughing stock.
How do you know he is incompetent? Have you met him? Have you dealt with him in some capacity in a business sense? You do not get to the top of a multi-million pound international business at the age of 40 without being bloody good at what you do.
Just because you didn't get the pretty toys you wanted in the transfer window last time around does not make him incompetent. I'm sure that he would have preferred things to have gone differently and to have pulled off some of the targets that we went for last summer. Shit happens. Everyone constantly refers to the Fellaini and Fabregas deals as indicators that he cannot do his job and its bollocks in my view. The Fabregas offers were attempts to get Barca to come to the table and if Fabregas had turned round and said that he wanted to move I'm sure we would have paid more than the initial offers widely quoted in the papers. As for the Fellaini deal, I can understand the rationale of going in with joint bids if we wanted both players. Evertons perilous financial situation is well known. Make individual offers and if one gets accepted then Everton do not have to sell the other one as they have the money to survive the season again. Makes perfect sense to me.
We would all like United to pull off some fantastic player deals this window. Some people on here do not seem to get the concept that other teams can say no for players under contract. What is so fecking hard to understand about that? I'm sure when we do go in for a player and the club is willing to do a deal, we'll get the player... or maybe we won't because the player chooses another club. That won't be down to Woodward, but the player and his agents choice.
What happens if we pull off three great pieces of business in June? You going to be on here saying how wrong you got it? Bollocks are you. It doesn't suit your whinging. The username, in fact, is quite apt. Small... and probably a bit bitter.
If we don't sign some players this summer and we go through the whole shenanigans again I'll be the first to say you were right and that he isn't suited to the CEO job. Can't see that happening myself.
Thank you. Bloody hell, I think everyone knows Woodward showed his inexperience last summer (led on by Fabregas' agent, public bids), but no one on this forum knows what goes on behind the scenes or know Woodward personally, so to assume that our CEO is a brainless moron is laughable to say the least because we have absolutely no idea what he's like. He's said in interviews that he knows that United screwed up and is trying his best to make up for it, so why don't we give him a chance then?
Great post botn
Woodward is good at making the Glazers a few quid .but is pretty rubbish in the transfer market.
Not exactly. Rafael was a key component in us winning the League; his form was World Class. If Coleman surpasses that level of form I feel Everton should finish 4th. Obviously Coleman could improve further and put in top level performances, whilst the rest of your team could drop of a cliff and you could finish 7th, but I don't think that is particularly likely.
As an example however I don't feel that Everton's 3rd best player when finishing 7th could be comparable to United's 3rd best player when finishing comfortably 1st.
These points are weird. Would you discredit Bales quality due to Spurs not finishing top 4?
EDIT: As in, Bale (Spurs best player) couldn't be comparable to RVP (Uniteds best player) as United finished 17 points ahead of Spurs and were comfortably first.
No he's saying that although Coleman is better this year than Rafael, he's not actually as good because you're above us in the league.
erm....no that's not right either.
When I think of the best full backs in the world, the first names that come in mind are Rose and Baines to be honest.....ah and Walker.
fecking Coleman. Christ almighty.
On that point, I do think if Bale had a bigger impact all around on Spurs' games rather then just pop up now and then with a screamer, they would have finished 4th and not 5th. He wasn't the player of the year and wasn't as good as RVP last season, he was largely ineffective for the first half of the season too, but that's for another thread.
Anyways, Coleman is obviously a very good fullback and is getting better, but IMO Rafael has much more potential then Coleman. They're on a similar level right now, and Coleman would have to keep up his current form all season to match Rafael last season, but Rafael is still 2 years younger then Coleman, and is better at linking up with his winger, smarter on the ball, while being pretty similar defensively. Overall I'd say Coleman is probably the second best right back in the league, behind Rafael marginally currently but because Rafael is only 23, he will undoubtedly improve loads, as will Coleman, I just don't think Coleman will improve as much as Rafael.
It's already been dismissed as a nothing story, but Coleman is a great player and would be easily up to the job at United.
I like Coleman. Very good player. We certainly don't need to be looking for an alternative to Rafael though.
If you told me/most people in 2011/2012 that Coleman would be considered one of the best RB's in the league, let alone the best in the league i would have laughed. His rate of improvement has been remarkable. There was always that bit of undoubted talent yet due to not knowing exactly where to play him he had his ups and downs but giving him the confidence booster of playing him consistently payed off in the end by Moyes and he was easily our most improved player last season and turned into the established RB and a great player. His growth last season really made me believe he would be Baines II (minus the free-kicks) and he built a solid partnership with Mirallas, but is also great at linking up with the team (notably this season Barkley has been excellent at linking play with the full-backs and wingers in triangle passes etc). He has incredible stamina too over 90 minutes considering he's a pacey fellow and of how Martinez likes to play his wing-backs, and he'll generally be bombing up the wing all game both ways. 2 years younger isn't a lot when you consider they are only 23 and 25 respectively but between those ages it has been when Coleman has improved the most, but you have to remember that that is the first opportunity he has had to have a consistent run in the side (like Rafael last season) and hopefully for you Rafael will improve a lot from now on too. Baines has been in the prime of his career from the age of around 27/28 so it makes me excited to what Coleman can possibly go on to do.
Re bolded: I said Rose and Walker were good full-backs, which they are. Last season there were many who considered Rose to be behind Baines in terms of the next best LB in the league because of how well he performed.
I'd guarantee that the majority of people would agree that Baines is one of the best players in the world at LB.
Could it be the case that many local fans overrate the British talent + Irish talent a teeny weeny too much? I mean, look at the WC history. England has always paraded with a star studded side only to fail spectacularly during WCs and Euros. It seems that they can barely win anything without a bit of help from foreign talent. No wonder why the EPL has more foreign talent then La Liga, the Serie A and the Bundersliga. Mind maybe this year thanks to one of the best left back in the world and the white Pele things may change. However I much doubt it.
I'd say right back and goalkeeper are the 2 positions we don't need to strengthen for the foreseeable.
Every other position is up for improvement, striker obviously depending on what the Big 2 are thinking
Every other position is up for improvement, striker obviously depending on what the Big 2 are thinking
It's hard to argue that the man is good at bringing money to the club.
It's spending that makes him look like a proper idiot. Sorry if you bid 25 mil for Fabregas and buy the Human Mic for nearly 28 mil, than it goes without saying, that the man has still a lot to learn.
EDIT: the argument that a join bid would have been easier to digest it stupid. Both Fellaini and Baines were starters for Everton, so selling both would have meant getting rid of important part of the team. For me the timing was crucial - doing the business early and giving Everton time to find replacement (maybe even offering Fabio in part exchange) would have been better. But hey, what do i know....im just a fan from the internet.
As I said, I think he would be the first to admit that it didn't go to plan in the first window, and if he doesn't learn from it in the summer (cos I don't think we'll do anything this window) then he should pay the price.
I don't think it is a stupid argument. We wanted both players. Everton didn't want to sell both. Fellaini they were prepared to countenance, not Baines. We probably should have been swifter in terms of not leaving it weeks in between bids but if we had gone to seperate bids and done the deal for Fellaini early we definitely wouldn't have been able to get Baines cos Everton would have got the money they needed for their plans. By leaving it as a joint bid as long as possible we were attempting to force Everton into either stuffing their own plans for new players by not accepting the bid and potentially leaving them at the mercy of the banks, or taking the joint bid and selling both.
Really it was like a game of staring out and we ended up having to blink first as it became apparent that firstly they would not let Baines go unless he really agitated for a move, and secondly we were at the end of the first window of Moyes and Woodwards era with no senior additions and a series of failed attempts. Hence we split the bid and got done over for Fellaini.
Day 15: Still no signs of life. Chelsea complete signing of quality midfielder in less time than Woody takes to fly back from Australia. Outlook is bleak.
I never had my hopes high for any signing and I'll be highly surprise if a transfer happens before the end of this winter window. The return of our injured players is currently more important.
I'm not sure how they did it but Chelsea managed to sign a midfielder in the January window. I was under the impression from management that this was pretty mush impossible.
Honestly I don't know the ins and outs of the deal. It was meant to be more humorous than anything. I'm just a bit frustrated with our club at the moment.
Isn't first refusal a bit of a nonsense clause anyways? It doesn't actually do anything, both clubs still have to pay the required amount and it's the players' decision on where to go. I think he just wanted to play under Mourinho if he rejected us, however I'm not sure how interested we actually were.
It'd at least explain why nobody else was in the running. But yeah, looks like he only had eyes for Chelsea, which is strange considering what happened previously.
In fairness Chelsea have bought a midfielder that they sold for miles more than they sold him for.
So it hardly looks like genius work from them.
So it hardly looks like genius work from them.
And I'd use the exact same "logic" to buy back Pogba.
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Sadly, so would I.
Wish we'd done that with Cleverley
In fairness I said before the window started that I didn't expect us to sign anyone and was genuinely surprised by how many people actually thought we would, and with a high level of certainty.
We barely managed to sign Fellaini in the Summer given two full months to conclude business with hardly any football in the meantime. It was always going to be mighty difficult to do any business in January with league fixtures to take care of and only a month to handle matters.
To be honest I don't expect us to be properly in the transfer market before Summer 2015. This Summer will be after the World Cup which means less time and more competition, we might sign one player but that'll be it. I expect us to sign three or more in 2015.
We barely managed to sign Fellaini in the Summer given two full months to conclude business with hardly any football in the meantime. It was always going to be mighty difficult to do any business in January with league fixtures to take care of and only a month to handle matters.
To be honest I don't expect us to be properly in the transfer market before Summer 2015. This Summer will be after the World Cup which means less time and more competition, we might sign one player but that'll be it. I expect us to sign three or more in 2015.