January Transfer Window

ehsanul said:
For his age,I think he is the complete midfileder bar none.Carvalho looks to have a bit of the young Vieira about him, and despite this only being potential at present, he has now become a mainstay in Sporting’s team and is rated as highly as any youngster to come out of the club in the past decade (yes, him included).
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We've scouted him all season so a move isnt out of the question. That said, Arsenal also been looking at him.
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
Going by our January fixture list, we'd be idiots if we wait until mid-January, or even worse, late-January to make a signing. It's so busy and there's a few (extra) vital games in there like against Chelsea.

If we don't make a signing within the first week, then I can't see us signing anyone.
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sadly i don't see us making any significant deals.
I can see Moyes and Ed's surprised faces at the end of the season when we finish 5th.
 
nahealai said:
Is that in Monaco too?
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I have no idea. Technically they are a separate country with different tax system.
But there was some kind of unrest among French clubs - they claimed that within same league all clubs should compete with the same conditions - that included taxes.

Citizens of Monaco do not pay income tax...so you can image what sort of leverage Monaco has.
 
I can't believe some of you are falling for the medias trick of saying Liverpool and Arsenal are better than us. No fecking way. United have had their worst start in years and Liverpool their best. Really they should be more than 3 or 4 points ahead in that scenario.

Even a non football fan would be able to tell you that our bad start is down to a bedding in period. Don't forget Moyes isnt a manager who moves from club to club like Pelligrini and Jose. A new club is new to him too.

As United settle more as they seem to be a bit now you will see the difference in class
 
We may not have the link anymore, but Portugal is a country we scout extensively. I'd be amazed if we didn't have a book out on each of Sporting, Benfica and Porto's young talents, amongst others.
 
nahealai said:
We may not have the link anymore, but Portugal is a country we scout extensively. I'd be amazed if we didn't have a book out on each of Sporting, Benfica and Porto's young talents, amongst others.
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I thought you were originally referring to the youth set up at Sporting - we absolutely scout Portugal extensively so are well aware of all talents in the 1st team. Carvalho has performed well - Sporting will look for a much bigger fee than you may think.
 
LonelyFire said:
I thought you were originally referring to the youth set up at Sporting - we absolutely scout Portugal extensively so are well aware of all talents in the 1st team. Carvalho has performed well - Sporting will look for a much bigger fee than you may think.
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45 million Euro release fee reported
 
its a funny one and I've never seen the Carvalho kid play....in theory I'd say buying someone of the class of Paul Pogba for 30 million would be a good bit of business......

you are buying a player ready to go into the first team with fantastic ability and potential. Young enough to form the backbone of a side for years to come and with a great resale opportunity if we fancied moving him on.

then again is Carvalho the next Viera or the next Wanyama - I hate those comparisons
 
LawCharltonBest said:
I can't believe some of you are falling for the medias trick of saying Liverpool and Arsenal are better than us. No fecking way. United have had their worst start in years and Liverpool their best. Really they should be more than 3 or 4 points ahead in that scenario.

Even a non football fan would be able to tell you that our bad start is down to a bedding in period. Don't forget Moyes isnt a manager who moves from club to club like Pelligrini and Jose. A new club is new to him too.

As United settle more as they seem to be a bit now you will see the difference in class
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Excellent points.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
I can't believe some of you are falling for the medias trick of saying Liverpool and Arsenal are better than us. No fecking way. United have had their worst start in years and Liverpool their best. Really they should be more than 3 or 4 points ahead in that scenario.

Even a non football fan would be able to tell you that our bad start is down to a bedding in period. Don't forget Moyes isnt a manager who moves from club to club like Pelligrini and Jose. A new club is new to him too.

As United settle more as they seem to be a bit now you will see the difference in class
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In addition, Moyes has to do deal with rotation throughout three competitions (four if you count carling cup) while having his key players in and out of the team throughout the first half of the season.

The are battling two different beasts no doubt.
 
mickeza said:
It's absolutely astounding the amount of people who think we didn't sign Fabregas because Woodward wasn't willing to bid more than £30m.
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To be fair I never said that. However, it seemed to me at the time there was a lot of dicking about regarding the bids. Granted, the media had a lot to do with that.
 
I refuse to believe anything until it spews forth from Jim White's gob live at 300mph.

I don't know why I'm getting excited for this transfer window (AGAIN) -- it's bound to end in disappointment.
 
Within 2 days boys, we'll be bouncing again.

Reckon one of the top 5 clubs will make a huge signing in this window which might catalyze a title at the end of the season. I just hope it isn't Chelsea signing an attcker, Arsenal signing an attacker, City signing an away-specialist or Liverpool signing a non-bottler.
 
Loon said:
I refuse to believe anything until it spews forth from Jim White's gob live at 300mph.

I don't know why I'm getting excited for this transfer window (AGAIN) -- it's bound to end in disappointment.
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It's so quiet though,It's beginning to make me nervous! Almost excited! I think we'll buy and sell but there is no indication as to who those players might be, other than perhaps Anderson who is certain to leave asap!
 
We'll unveil Baines as the clock strikes new year and Aaron Lemon will shit his pants at the prospect of facing him instead of Evra.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
I can't believe some of you are falling for the medias trick of saying Liverpool and Arsenal are better than us. No fecking way. United have had their worst start in years and Liverpool their best. Really they should be more than 3 or 4 points ahead in that scenario.

Even a non football fan would be able to tell you that our bad start is down to a bedding in period. Don't forget Moyes isnt a manager who moves from club to club like Pelligrini and Jose. A new club is new to him too.

As United settle more as they seem to be a bit now you will see the difference in class
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The fact is that both are ahead of us in the table at the moment, Arsenal by a distance, and at the end of the season if they are ahead of us then that's all that really matters. Simply saying we're in a "bedding in period" isn't going to suffice.

Whether Moyes is new or not, he's still got to get results. He can be excused not winning the title in a first season, but missing out on the top 4 would be terrible and simply saying it's a bedding in period wouldn't be good enough.

Moyes may move clubs less, but you can't just say "well he's at a new club" but not count it for Pellegrini because he happens to have been at more clubs than Moyes. That's ultimately a poor way of disguising that Pellegrini has settled into City better than Moyes has here.
 
Salfordlad70 said:
It's so quiet though,It's beginning to make me nervous! Almost excited! I think we'll buy and sell but there is no indication as to who those players might be, other than perhaps Anderson who is certain to leave asap!
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I keep reading so many gossip things on News Now, but they are so unreliable (e.g., they are quoting the Koke Spanish April Fool gag as a legitimate story!). Also the Robert Muric story (but he's very young). The Ross Barkley £50m story is likely to be cobblers, so it's just a case of sit tight and wait for the Sky Transfer Centre hype:

"Jim, I've just heard Robert Earnshaw HAS been seen in the Crystal Palace area."

"That's SENSATIONAL NEWS, bloke standing out in the rain outside the club shop looking really pissed off with a couple of herberts trying to get into the camera shot..."
 
LawCharltonBest said:
Even a non football fan would be able to tell you that our bad start is down to a bedding in period. Don't forget Moyes isnt a manager who moves from club to club like Pelligrini and Jose. A new club is new to him too.
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A good point - and he wasn't able to buy a load of top players to smooth that transition the way Mourinho and Pellegrini were. Whether he should have or not is another matter, but the fact is that if you are a long-term style manager hired with the long term in mind by a club who have had the same manager for almost 27 years, and you turn up to find significant holes in the squad, and aren't able to make any proper signings, it's always going to be a bumpy first season.

We've had decades of the good stuff, the club should have more than enough credit with the fans for a dodgy season or two.
 
Cheesy said:
Moyes may move clubs less, but you can't just say "well he's at a new club" but not count it for Pellegrini because he happens to have been at more clubs than Moyes. That's ultimately a poor way of disguising that Pellegrini has settled into City better than Moyes has here.
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What, you mean with a truckload of expensive signings?

You can say 'it's not good enough' as much as you want but you haven't actually said anything to change the realities of LCB's very good point: Moyes is a long term manager bought to replace a long term manager with the long term in mind. The fact that he wasn't given the finds to swing any big signings is just one reflection of that.

Clubs like Chelsea and City now have a culture of accepting a new manager every season or two, and one of the ways they make that work is by giving each new man a big wodge of cash to spend to ease the transition. If you'd given Moyes Fernandinho, Negredo, Navas and Jovetic at the start of this season, we'd be in a very different situation indeed. But that's just not the way this club is run.
 
Cheesy said:
Moyes may move clubs less, but you can't just say "well he's at a new club" but not count it for Pellegrini because he happens to have been at more clubs than Moyes. That's ultimately a poor way of disguising that Pellegrini has settled into City better than Moyes has here.
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I don't mean to sound sarcastic, but it is also ignoring the £100m in reinforcements Pellegrini has recruited. One wonders if Moyes had had the time to pick his targets with the more experienced David Gill and £100m to spend how his bedding in period might have gone.
 
Cheesy said:
The fact is that both are ahead of us in the table at the moment, Arsenal by a distance, and at the end of the season if they are ahead of us then that's all that really matters. Simply saying we're in a "bedding in period" isn't going to suffice.

Whether Moyes is new or not, he's still got to get results. He can be excused not winning the title in a first season, but missing out on the top 4 would be terrible and simply saying it's a bedding in period wouldn't be good enough.

Moyes may move clubs less, but you can't just say "well he's at a new club" but not count it for Pellegrini because he happens to have been at more clubs than Moyes. That's ultimately a poor way of disguising that Pellegrini has settled into City better than Moyes has here.
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If Arsenal (because Liverpool won't IMO) finish ahead of us then fair enough. They will have been a better team this season. But to actually say Arsenal and Liverpool are better teams than us overall based on 6 months is ridiculous. I don't wish in any way to take anything away from Arsenal, I respect the club a hell of a lot more than I do Chelsea or City, but this isn't a dominance I see lasting. Arsenal's most impressive win all season still remains beating Liverpool at home which you'd expect them to win any other season anyway.

Over the remainder of the season and especially next season, I think that Arsenal dominance will wither away (as well as Liverpools) as United ( and City and Chelsea) get more gelled and go from strength to strength.
 
Loon said:
I refuse to believe anything until it spews forth from Jim White's gob live at 300mph.

I don't know why I'm getting excited for this transfer window (AGAIN) -- it's bound to end in disappointment.
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I agree, I dont think we'll sign anyone of any note. Who is going to let their best players go at this stage of the season? and any that do will be commanding the toppest of top dollars from United and we will have our pants pulled down again. I'd rather stick with what we've got and go mental in the summer tyransfer window than making desperation buys now like Fellaini.
 
Loon said:
I don't mean to sound sarcastic, but it is also ignoring the £100m in reinforcements Pellegrini has recruited. One wonders if Moyes had had the time to pick his targets with the more experienced David Gill and £100m to spend how his bedding in period might have gone.
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Baffling, Moyes had a full summer and an unknown amount of funds but it's certain at least £30,000,000 was available and probably at least that much again. Yes, he didn't have David Gill but I think that is so massively over-played a factor.

He needs a strong January.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
I can't believe some of you are falling for the medias trick of saying Liverpool and Arsenal are better than us. No fecking way. United have had their worst start in years and Liverpool their best. Really they should be more than 3 or 4 points ahead in that scenario.
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I don't think it's too complicated. Arsenal and Liverpool have been playing more as a team and their football has been better than ours. We, however, still have better players and and a better squad. The result is Arsenal has got a bit of an edge over us while Liverpool aren't too far away.
 
devilish said:
Cabaye won't be a panic buy. FFS he's a better CM then all of our playerS bar Carrick (who is at the wrong side of his career) + last summer clearly showed that we will never spend 60m on a midfielder. We didn't even cross the 35m mark for Fabregas let alone giving 60m for Gundogan.

Some people here underrate how ridiculously weak our CM is. Jones is a defender, Cleverley is a squad player at best, Giggs is ancient, Fellaini is shit and its a miracle If Ando will ever be match fit these days. We need a massive overhaul and that would mean going for less expensive targets such as Cabaye.

We're risking to end up outside the CL zone. Add that to the fact that next summer there will be WC next summer + we're lead by a manager whose pretty unknown material outside the EPL and we have a rookie as a chairman then I wonder how we're be able to attract the talent we need.

Oh well, we always seem to have an excuse ready to cover things up. No value, Moyes was appointed late, January is not the time to buy, the WC......
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He would be a panic buy if we're only going for him because we're worried about not finishing fourth. Any player we sign now should be someone we think will help us win the PL/CL over the next few seasons, not someone who's here to get us a CL place this season.

He also wouldn't be all that cheap. Probably 20m +, hardly a bargain when we're so reluctant to spend big money.

I agree that our midfield is terribly weak. That said, there are only a certain amount of places in our squad for cms. Carrick, Cleverley, Fellaini and Fletcher aren't going anywhere soon. That leaves us with maybe two more spaces to be filled?

How we fill them will say a lot about our ambition. If we're aiming to bring our squad back to elite European standard then there's no room for Cabaye imo. He isn't good enough to be a first team player at that level and Fellaini/Cleverley are occupying our squad role places. I'd take Cabaye over either of them but as they're unlikely to leave...

If we're just looking to plug the gaps for the next several seasons (as we've been doing for the last couple) then Cabaye would do. You can't then complain if we're not challenging for the CL though, or if we still lack top level qualuty and creativity in cm.
 
How good is this Managala guy? I've seen him linked to a few PL teams over the last few days.
 
sullydnl said:
He would be a panic buy if we're only going for him because we're worried about not finishing fourth. Any player we sign now should be someone we think will help us win the PL/CL over the next few seasons, not someone who's here to get us a CL place this season.

He also wouldn't be all that cheap. Probably 20m +, hardly a bargain when we're so reluctant to spend big money.

I agree that our midfield is terribly weak. That said, there are only a certain amount of places in our squad for cms. Carrick, Cleverley, Fellaini and Fletcher aren't going anywhere soon. That leaves us with maybe two more spaces to be filled?

How we fill them will say a lot about our ambition. If we're aiming to bring our squad back to elite European standard then there's no room for Cabaye imo. He isn't good enough to be a first team player at that level and Fellaini/Cleverley are occupying our squad role places. I'd take Cabaye over either of them but as they're unlikely to leave...

If we're just looking to plug the gaps for the next several seasons (as we've been doing for the last couple) then Cabaye would do. You can't then complain if we're not challenging for the CL though, or if we still lack top level qualuty and creativity in cm.
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Carrick is 32. He's got about 1 season left before he starts showing signs of decline. Cleverley is pretty average, a squad player at best. Fellaini was a panic buy, I doubt that he's got the qualities to settle in our CM and he's best suited in the hole. We can easily move him as Rooney's cover once Kagawa leaves. There's big question marks surrounding Fletcher's ability to step up beyond cameos appearances (and he's 29).

In my opinion, we need to be much more ruthless especially in that position. If after 2 years a player doesn't deliver at the highest standard on a regular basis then he should be off. Roy Keane said a lot of BS in his interviews regarding SAF but on one thing is right. Loyalty was the man's biggest weakness. No other manager would have allowed players to get away with this crap for so long. Certainly Moyes can't afford doing that.
 
In a perfect world we'll really overhaul our midfield department. In a good world, we'll look to sign two quality players. In the real world, we'll probably be looking to get one player, partly because we've just bought Fellaini and we can't just write him off so soon.
 
devilish said:
Carrick is 32. He's got about 1 season left before he starts showing signs of decline. Cleverley is pretty average, a squad player at best. Fellaini was a panic buy, I doubt that he's got the qualities to settle in our CM and he's best suited in the hole. We can easily move him as Rooney's cover once Kagawa leaves. There's big question marks surrounding Fletcher's ability to step up beyond cameos appearances (and he's 29).

In my opinion, we need to be much more ruthless especially in that position. If after 2 years a player doesn't deliver at the highest standard on a regular basis then he should be off. Roy Keane said a lot of BS in his interviews regarding SAF but on one thing is right. Loyalty was the man's biggest weakness. No other manager would have allowed players to get away with this crap for so long. Certainly Moyes can't afford doing that.
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Don't get me wrong, if some of those players you mentioned leave then I have no problem with signing Cabaye. I'm just assuming Moyes isn't that ruthless but maybe he'll prove me wrong. If they don't leave though then I don't think a Cabaye-level player does enough to bridge the massive gab between our midfield and those of our rivals.

I definitely don't want Fellaini as back up to Rooney though. If he plays in that position regularly then we've gone down a bad path. We need players of a far higher technical ability in that area of the pitch.

Pretty sure that when Keane said loyalty was SAF's biggest weakness he meant his lack of it. This is a man he described as ruthless twice within the same piece. SAF showed plenty of times that he had no problem discarding players once they stopped being useful, a trait I hope Moyes shares.
 
Amir said:
In a perfect world we'll really overhaul our midfield department. In a good world, we'll look to sign two quality players. In the real world, we'll probably be looking to get one player, partly because we've just bought Fellaini and we can't just write him off so soon.
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We don't need to write Fellaini off though. If we strengthen properly then Fellaini will still have a role as a squad player. Realistically, that's the best he could have hoped for at a top club. In fact it may help him thrive here once the pressure on him is lessened.
 
sullydnl said:
Pretty sure that when Keane said loyalty was SAF's biggest weakness he meant his lack of it. This is a man he described as ruthless twice within the same piece. SAF showed plenty of times that he had no problem discarding players once they stopped being useful, a trait I hope Moyes shares.
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I think that Fergie has really mellowed in recent years. He was always loyal to his people, as long as they treated him in kind, but if he had to make a tough decision, he did it. In the last few years, though, he seemed to have developed incredible patience - for him, anyway. Anderson wouldn't have survived six years at United 10 or 20 years ago. Our whole midfield situation had something to do with loyalty - We've still got Giggs, we've still got Scholes, Fletcher will return, Hargreaves will return, Anderson will come good...
 
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