Jamie Carragher: Spits in the face of 14 year old girl | Suspended by Sky

How should Carragher be punished?

  • Forced to wear a United shirt with Neville on the back for MNF forever

    Votes: 360 46.0%

  • Go on Jeremy Kyle with the family

    Votes: 169 21.6%

  • Be made to walk alone through Liverpool

    Votes: 113 14.4%

  • Buy a my little pony for the girl

    Votes: 141 18.0%
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Personally don't think he should be sacked over this. A moment of utter madness where he completely lost his head. The particular act was a vile one, and is the reason why it's causing such a hullabaloo, but i'm not sure whether he should lose his job over it.

The public opprobrium that has followed is justified imo, and he should feel (and i'm sure he does) utterly embarrassed. I think he's shown genuine contrition and has personally apologised to the family and he obviously realises that he was completely in the wrong, regardless of what the other guy did. He should probably be suspended for some time, wait for this all to die down, then return to sky.

There's probably a temptation from Sky to move swiftly here and sack him, but hopefully they don't act too hastily and give it some time. As i said, i don't think he should lose his job over it. A period of time out of the limelight, and any other punishment they may inflict on him that doesn't involve a sacking, would suffice imo.
 
Hullyback said:
Proper disgusted by this when I read it. The dudes gone down to rock bottom position alongside El Hadji Diouf, Barton and Johnson for me now with regards to footballers I'll no longer watch, listen to or read any of their ramblings. Just hope Sky sack him and LFC distance themselves from him cos it's reprehensible and can't be excused or apologised for.

Shit, I wouldn't even do that and I'm not a multi millionaire with media training and in the public eye constantly so you can only put it down to the fact he's scum and done a fairly decent job of putting on a facade for the cameras. What the feck posseses a grown man to spit at a young girl just baffles me, over a tiny bit of banter that's as tame as it gets compared to what us fans face on a daily basis. If one of us did this we'd be banned from the ground for life and pilloried in the media, he's just been suspended and there's some fans even defending it? Not me, I'm a fan of the club, not filthy gobshites.
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Many valid points in this post.
 
I'm late to this news. Have Liverpool made t-shirts in support of Carragher yet?

Spitting is the lowest of the low, yes I enjoy his punditry but he should be sacked.
 
RobinLFC said:
Fecking hell he didn't rape her, did he? He lost his head for a moment, got caught and will be punished for it.

The holier than thou saints are out in full force in this thread.
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How would you feel if it were your daughter that got spat on?
 
Son Of Sam said:
11th commandment - Thou shall not get caught. Carragher got caught live on camera. He dug his own grave.

Richard Keys & Andy Gray got sacked for something less. Why should Carragher be spared for spitting at a young girl? She didn’t even swear or throw dog-abuses at him.....It was just “2-1, yeah?”

Does that really warrant hocking spit at her? He should go to prison for this. You would have argued differently if he spat at your daughter, wouldn’t you?
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He quite clearly didn’t intend to spit at the girl though did he, rather her dad who was being an enormous tool and who is guilty of the most serious crime in this incident.

Edit: The commandments :lol:
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I’m not sure. A moment of stupidity vs holding underlying problematic opinions. I think the implication the female lino was shit at her job because she’s a woman was the big issue.
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FlawlessThaw said:
Gray and Key was probably worse for me in the grand scheme of things. Their type of lads only behaviour was quite endemic of trying to exclude women from the game. The released video was apparently not the only occurance. It had a far greater societal impact while Carragher let's be honest only really impacts the girl and her family at most.
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Agree with both of these completely.
 
Berbaclass said:
He quite clearly didn’t intend to spit at the girl though did he, rather her dad who was being an enormous tool and who is guilty of the most serious crime in this incident.
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How is that even relevant? The issue isn't who he spat at, it's the fact that he spat at someone at all
 
Seems like a decent bloke on TV but he’s a scouser so I hope he gets completely hung out to dry and ends up doing analysis on Somali Tv. Feck him.
 
BusbyMalone said:
Personally don't think he should be sacked over this. A moment of utter madness where he completely lost his head. The particular act was a vile one, and is the reason why it's causing such a hullabaloo, but i'm not sure whether he should lose his job over it.

The public opprobrium that has followed is justified imo, and he should feel (and i'm sure he does) utterly embarrassed. I think he's shown genuine contrition and has personally apologised to the family and he obviously realises that he was completely in the wrong, regardless of what the other guy did. He should probably be suspended for some time, wait for this all to die down, then return to sky.

There's probably a temptation from Sky to move swiftly here and sack him, but hopefully they don't act too hastily and give it some time. As i said, i don't think he should lose his job over it. A period of time out of the limelight, and any other punishment they may inflict on him that doesn't involve a sacking, would suffice imo.
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Bollocks to genuine contrition. One of the first things out of his twitter was to say he was goaded 4/5 times. Classic victim mentality shining through right away. He's only sorry that he was filmed doing it.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I’m not sure. A moment of stupidity vs holding underlying problematic opinions. I think the implication the female lino was shit at her job because she’s a woman was the big issue.
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Yeah, a major problem with the Keys and Gray was that they weren't (and still don't seem to be) ever apologetic for what they said. Keys pretty much, as far as I can remember, doubled down on it, with all his 'banter' comments and continues to play the victim whenever he scrambles for minor moments of relevance now.

Whether Carragher's apology is genuine or a product of him having to apologise is up for debate, but he's certainly at least attempted to appear sorry, unlike Keys and Gray.
 
AndyJ1985 said:
How is that even relevant? The issue isn't who he spat at, it's the fact that he spat at someone at all
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It’s relevant because everyone is making Carragher out to be some sort of nonce that fecking loves assaulting kids. Use your common sense.
 
RedSky said:
@TheReligion

What crime is worse? Carragher spitting or the father driving with the phone out and filming/chasing him?

I'd have thought driving recklessly would be the bigger crime given that a car can kill people while spit is... spit.
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Well I wouldn't condone either. Carragher has committed a common assault by spitting in the girl's face. Low level but pretty awful whichever way you look at it. If the Dad was driving whilst on his phone then he should get 6 points for being on the blower. You'd never prove dangerous driving or due care in these circumstances.
 
Random Task said:
How would you feel if it were your daughter that got spat on?
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I don’t have a daughter but pretty sure I wouldn’t put her in that position in the first place by acting like that with her next to me.

I’ve already said it’s vile and inexcusable from Carragher but some reactions on here are over the top imo.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I’m not sure. A moment of stupidity vs holding underlying problematic opinions. I think the implication the female lino was shit at her job because she’s a woman was the big issue.
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If you're saying spitting at someone is a moment of stupidity then you can also argue that taking the piss out of a female linesman with a mate is a moment of stupidity.
 
AndyJ1985 said:
How is that even relevant? The issue isn't who he spat at, it's the fact that he spat at someone at all
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It would've been wrong either way and he'd have been rightfully condemned, but I do think the reaction would've been slightly lesser if he'd caught the guy acting like a prick instead of his innocent (and evidently embarrassed) daughter. But it's still his fault for failing to recognise there was someone else in the car...or spitting at all, of course.
 
AndyJ1985 said:
If you're saying spitting at someone is a moment of stupidity then you can also argue that taking the piss out of a female linesman with a mate is a moment of stupidity.
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Keys and Grey had a history of saying things like that. Not comparable.
 
AndyJ1985 said:
If you're saying spitting at someone is a moment of stupidity then you can also argue that taking the piss out of a female linesman with a mate is a moment of stupidity.
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Keys and Gray weren't sacked for one out of character comment though, they had a history of making fairly derogatory remarks about women. Whether it's worse or not is up for debate but it wasn't some one-off incident.
 
He didn't intentionally spit at the daughter, still terrible what he did to spit at anyone, but it's something a few posters seem to be ignoring.


Pogue Mahone said:
I’m not sure. A moment of stupidity vs holding underlying problematic opinions. I think the implication the female lino was shit at her job because she’s a woman was the big issue.
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That's a good way of looking at it. Personally I think Keys and Gray should have been sacked, whereas I don't think Carragher should be.
 
Berbaclass said:
Keys and Grey had a history of saying things like that. Not comparable.
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/liverpool-star-jamie-carragher-road-295735

Former England ace Jamie Carragher was arrested after a road-rage bust-up - with an old school foe.

The Liverpool star, 30, had just dropped off son James, four, at school when he and a motorist angrily squared up to each other.


Dad-of-two Jamie later told pals that there was "pushing and shoving" with the man - with whom he is said to have a feud dating from their classroom days.

After the motorist and witnesses told police, Jamie and his lawyer went to a station the following day and he agreed to be cautioned for common assault.
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Carragher has a history of road rage.
 
Hitchez said:
Bollocks to genuine contrition. One of the first things out of his twitter was to say he was goaded 4/5 times. Classic victim mentality shining through right away. He's only sorry that he was filmed doing it.
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May or may not be the case, but i think he's genuinely sorry and embarrassed about it (which he bloody should be) and i believe the correct response from Sky would be to suspend for a prolonged period of time, then have him come back when this has all died down. Just don't think it warrants a sacking, despite how vile the act was.

Didn't see it as him excusing it per se, and more him just providing context to the situation. Suppose it comes down to whether you believe him or not. Opinions will vary on that, naturally.
 
Kaos said:
He's actually fairly balanced as far as Sky standards go. Definitely deserves to be sacked but will be missed, unlike someone like Souness who offers nothing but bitter diatribes.
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He's probably not the worst to be fair, but I don't really watch all that much Sky Sports and pay attention to the pundits tbh. Just every time i see him talk about United it always seemed to be thinly veiled insults, like during the Sanchez saga stands out.
 
RobinLFC said:
I don’t have a daughter but pretty sure I wouldn’t put her in that position in the first place by acting like that with her next to me.

I’ve already said it’s vile and inexcusable from Carragher but some reactions on here are over the top imo.
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Short of sacking him from his job at Sky, which I believe would be justified under the circumstances, what punishment do you think would fit the crime?
 
Fully Fledged said:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/liverpool-star-jamie-carragher-road-295735


Carragher has a history of road rage.
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Bit of a stretch to call that road rage don’t you think?

I like how you deliberately left out this part of the article as it doesn’t paint him as the unhinged lunatic that most seem to want to do.

Last May, Jamie was hailed a hero for dashing out of bed at dawn to scare off carjackers trying to rob a woman of 59 near his home.
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I dunno about over-reaction - it does involve a 14 year old girl being spat at / towards. Carragher's story that he didn't know she was there is pretty unconvincing. The degree of provocation seems pretty small.

The defence mainly consists of a load of whataboutery concerning driving offences that Carragher might be committing as well.

And what about that 'orrible cardie of JC23's that we've had sight of, no one is justifying the wearing of that surely.

Get. Him. Sacked.
 
BusbyMalone said:
May or may not be the case, but i think he's genuinely sorry and embarrassed about it (which he bloody should be) and i believe the correct response from Sky would be to suspend for a prolonged period of time, then have him come back when this has all died down. Just don't think it warrants a sacking, despite how vile the act was.

Didn't see it as him excusing it per se, and more him just providing context to the situation. Suppose it comes down to whether you believe him or not. Opinions will vary on that, naturally.
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If he truly was genuinely sorry then he wouldn't have come with with excuses. He's pretty much justifying his actions by saying he was goaded and then saying no excuses. That's not a genuine apology. It's the kind of apology Suarez came up with after biting Chiellini.
 
I have sympathy with the father in terms of the narrative he put his daughter in harms way with his harmless ribbing.
Carragher isn't a wild animal at the zoo, the complete overreaction is out of place. Theres no way the father thought he would need to protect his girl from the unpredictable Jamie Carragher!
 
Ridiculous if they sack him. Trial by Twitter, eh?

He's apologised and has all reason to be ashamed, but lose his job too?
 
Fully Fledged said:
That's what they classed it as. The thing is he seems to have anger issues.
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Conveniently doesn’t give details on what actually happened leading up to the confrontation though does it. Like it says the feud goes way back and anything could have happened between them to cause a confrontation.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
I watched it a number of times since the post stating, "I've not watched it yet".

And, again, Carragher should be fined heavily and attend anger management classes, but I don't believe he should lose his punditry role.

Hardly controversial opinion if you're a sane human being.

If he loses his job, someone else will just hire him in a while - so what's the point? Why should Sky lose their best pundit?

Better to make some money from it (from him) give it to charity.

And make an example of him by talking about it openly and getting anger management.

That's just my opinion.

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Fair doos I agree with all that you’ve said here.
I do struggle to accept/like the fact that because he’s a ‘good’ pundit as people say there should be leniency more so than he was just a gobshite.

A question for people who say suspension is enough ‘punsihment’. How exactly is that a punishment if he’s at home on full pay? Just curious.
 
Hitchez said:
If he truly was genuinely sorry then he wouldn't have come with with excuses. He's pretty much justifying his actions by saying he was goaded and then saying no excuses. That's not a genuine apology. It's the kind of apology Suarez came up with after biting Chiellini.
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As i already said, i didn't see it that way so didn't think he was "justifying" it. Opinions will vary and you clearly feel the opposite.
 
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