James Rodriguez | joins Bayern Munich | 2 year loan

[TheReligion]

James could be a faster Sheringham just like Sheringham (love that player pure class)

We also lack goals from outside the box which are one of his traits.

Didn't he win the Golden boot in the World Cup and take them pretty far in it or did I imagine that?

Yeah he won it and Columbia got knocked out in the QF I think.

He's has a pretty good work rate, is naturally left footed (but can play with either) and is capable of playing any of the front midfield attacking areas.

What people need to realise is we need wholesale changes. With Rooney, Zlatan, Carrick likely to be gone and a number of others with their futures in question, this summer will be player heavy and at 25 Rodriguez would be a nice addition in my opinion. I think he's a 40-45 m player.

 

[BigCaine]

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about

Don't i now thanks for telling me, so according to you morrata is better than either rashford or martial. Because he definitely isn't, kovacic has great potential but right now he is a decent player, something given a chance perreira can be for us.

 

[Redondo_Pirri]

MARCA: Real Madrid ready to accept €75m for James Rodriguez. MUFC & Chelsea are favorites.

 

[Hojoon]

http://www.marca.com/en/football/real-madrid/2017/05/15/5919b312e2704e625e8b464b.html
According to Madrid James costs 75m€

One of the things I dislike about the media is they'll name the price but don't mention the structure of the deal, which is just as important, if not more.

 

[AltiUn]

Don't know if this has been posted already, but if I recall correctly this guy is relatively reliable.

 

[SachinJ22]

http://www.marca.com/en/football/real-madrid/2017/05/15/5919b312e2704e625e8b464b.html
According to Madrid James costs 75m€

They are seriously deluded if they think someone will pay anywhere near 75m€ for their reject. He wants to come here because no one else is ready to buy him. I would rather we spend 75m€ + extra 25m€ on Belloti or Griezmann. Real are looking to fleece and some fans want to get us fleeced for a player who may or may not be Di Maria Version 2.0 . We don't how he might perform or how is attitude is.

 

[cheeky_backheel]

They are seriously deluded if they think someone will pay anywhere near 75m€ for their reject. He wants to come here because no one else is ready to buy him. I would rather we spend 75m€ + extra 25m€ on Belloti or Griezmann. Real are looking to fleece and some fans want to get us fleeced for a player who may or may not be Di Maria Version 2.0 . We don't how he might perform or how is attitude is.

100m euros on belloti? You are more deluded than you think someone else is.

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

...................Rashford...................
Mkhitaryan...James...Griezmann
............Pogba.......Fabinho......
LB........Rojo.......Bailly........Tony...

Impossible idea?

Not bad.

Who goes up top if Rashford is injured, though?

I know we'd have Griezmann, but he's not really a lone striker, is he?

To me, I'd get one of Griezmann or Rodriguez, and buy Lukaku, or someone of the same ilk.

De Gea
Valencia Bailly Rojo LB
Fabinho Pogba
Mata Rodriguez Mkhitaryan
Lukaku

Romero Jones/Smalling Darmian Herrera Fellaini Martial/Lingard Rashford

 

[Scorpy]

Balague has been talking about James again:

"Manchester United are favourites to get James. He has decided to leave Real, who have three clubs ready to meet the asking price. One of them is United. I still say they are the top contenders to get him."

Three clubs, eh? If we assume he's right, wonder who the other clubs are. Probably PSG and maybe even Chelsea.

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

Jose's perfect 10.

Haven't watched Rodriguez in a while, but in the world cup, he was everything Jose liked as a 10.

“We have different concepts of number 10, me and him,” said Mourinho when asked about whether Hazard will be given a run in his favoured, central role.

“For me a number 10 does a lot of things, with the ball and without the ball. So for me a number 10 is a very special player in my team.

“With a system of two midfield players and one number 10, I demand a lot from a number 10.

“I like a number 10 to score goals. I like a number 10 to get in the box. I like a number 10 to score goals like Oscar's against Maccabi Tel Aviv.

“A number 10 for me is an eight-and-a-half when the team loses the ball, and the number 10 is a nine-and-a-half when the team has the ball.

“Who is my perfect number 10? Wesley Sneijder and Deco. Because they could defend, get in the box and finish goals? Yes.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...ere-better-at-number-10-than-Eden-Hazard.html

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

Balague has been talking about James again:

Wonder who the others are?

 

[Redondo_Pirri]

Jose's perfect 10.

Haven't watched Rodriguez in a while, but in the world cup, he was everything Jose liked as a 10.

“We have different concepts of number 10, me and him,” said Mourinho when asked about whether Hazard will be given a run in his favoured, central role.

“For me a number 10 does a lot of things, with the ball and without the ball. So for me a number 10 is a very special player in my team.

“With a system of two midfield players and one number 10, I demand a lot from a number 10.

“I like a number 10 to score goals. I like a number 10 to get in the box. I like a number 10 to score goals like Oscar's against Maccabi Tel Aviv.

“A number 10 for me is an eight-and-a-half when the team loses the ball, and the number 10 is a nine-and-a-half when the team has the ball.

“Who is my perfect number 10? Wesley Sneijder and Deco. Because they could defend, get in the box and finish goals? Yes.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...ere-better-at-number-10-than-Eden-Hazard.html

You do realise that James is the complete opposite of this lmao

 

[DWelbz19]

Jose's perfect 10.

Haven't watched Rodriguez in a while, but in the world cup, he was everything Jose liked as a 10.

“We have different concepts of number 10, me and him,” said Mourinho when asked about whether Hazard will be given a run in his favoured, central role.

“For me a number 10 does a lot of things, with the ball and without the ball. So for me a number 10 is a very special player in my team.

“With a system of two midfield players and one number 10, I demand a lot from a number 10.

“I like a number 10 to score goals. I like a number 10 to get in the box. I like a number 10 to score goals like Oscar's against Maccabi Tel Aviv.

“A number 10 for me is an eight-and-a-half when the team loses the ball, and the number 10 is a nine-and-a-half when the team has the ball.

“Who is my perfect number 10? Wesley Sneijder and Deco. Because they could defend, get in the box and finish goals? Yes.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...ere-better-at-number-10-than-Eden-Hazard.html

That doesn't describe James. That doesn't describe any worthwhile number 10 currently in the game.

 

[Redondo_Pirri]

Wonder who the others are?

Chelsea is one according to Marca. I know Juventus and Inter were also interested, so I assume it's one of those.

 

[EyeInTheSky]

Yeah he won it and Columbia got knocked out in the QF I think.

He's has a pretty good work rate, is naturally left footed (but can play with either) and is capable of playing any of the front midfield attacking areas.

What people need to realise is we need wholesale changes. With Rooney, Zlatan, Carrick likely to be gone and a number of others with their futures in question, this summer will be player heavy and at 25 Rodriguez would be a nice addition in my opinion. I think he's a 40-45 m player.

Yep a number of players Will be retired/moved on/ relegated to bench so the argument about formations and where he will fit in (even if we are in for him) is rendered moot

 

[Jig1234]

I Think we have a lot of average players in our squad. James was not my first choice but I wouldn't be against his arrival if it means we get rid of players like Lingard, Rooney. I personally prefer B.Silva. I think he is the next best thing.

 

[cheeky_backheel]

I Think we have a lot of average players in our squad. James was not my first choice but I wouldn't be against his arrival if it means we get rid of players like Lingard, Rooney. I personally prefer B.Silva. I think he is the next best thing.

Per 90mins metrics are a fairer comparison in general

 

[cheeky_backheel]

You do realise that James is the complete opposite of this lmao

What makes him the opposite?

 

[Devil may care]

Jose's ideal #10 doesn't exist right now, Rooney was pretty close to it in his prime.

 

[Sparky10Legend]

If we get JRod we don't get Griez IMO, Pogba/Griez/JRod in the same side wouldn't work IMO.

Too close together on the pitch in their ideal roles, we HAVE to stop making players fit, we need players to fit the role, not vice versa

 

[Devil may care]

What makes him the opposite?

Well he sure as feck isn't an 8 and half without the ball, he doesn't have that workrate at all, and I don't think he will score that many goals removed from battering La Liga's cannon fodder that makes up the bottom dozen of that league. the other aspect that will see him struggle is he's not very agile, he needs more time on the ball than you get in the PL, he's not like Hazard/Silva/Sanchez/Coutinho that have the low center of gravity and agility to turn quickly in tight areas and lose their man.

 

[VP89]

I like him.

 

[Jig1234]

Per 90mins metrics are a fairer comparison in general

 

[Devil may care]

If we get JRod we don't get Griez IMO, Pogba/Griez/JRod in the same side wouldn't work IMO.

Too close together on the pitch in their ideal roles, we HAVE to stop making players fit, we need players to for the role, not vice versa

You're right, if this happens the other attacking signing will be a #9 that can hold the ball up, it wont be Griezmann.

 

[Fracture90]

Maybe we have some sort of a deal in place with Madrid. We take Rodriguez at this price, they fek off from DDG?

 

[VP89]

I like how the highlights that make the thread title is a seemingly unestablished Colombian radio station over Guillem Balague who says we've made a bid

 

[EyeInTheSky]

@TheReligion

I was just thinking what do you reckon to Pereira coming back instead similar playing style but perhaps better work rate. How far behind would you say he was behind James in certain aspects of his ability and skill?

 

[Attila]

Surely he can't be that bad if he managed to win best la liga midfielder in 2015

 

[Attila]

 

[cheeky_backheel]

Well he sure as feck isn't an 8 and half without the ball, he doesn't have that workrate at all, and I don't think he will score that many goals removed from battering La Liga's cannon fodder that makes up the bottom dozen of that league. the other aspect that will see him struggle is he's not very agile, he needs more time on the ball than you get in the PL, he's not like Hazard/Silva/Sanchez/Coutinho that have the low center of gravity and agility to turn quickly in tight areas and lose their man.

Neither of sneijder nor Ozil was defensive minded before playing for Jose. Jose gets his players to work defensively. Offensively, James is a better goal scorer than all the other players that have played that position under Jose.

Jose did not use any of Hazard, Silva, Sanchez or Coutinho as his #10, so comparing James to them is irrelevant and pointless.

 

[Im red2]

Whoever we sign they need to be tough as well as everything else. Learn from Juventus, no more pussys.

 

[VP89]

@giorno @Vato or @carvajal , are you guys able to share the level of his quality and whether he'd be a fit for Manchester United? From what I recall he simply didn't fit Zidane's system, or is it something deeper and more performance related?

Is James a lazy player, slow player, or a luxury? I read a few posts eluding that way in this thread but I'm unsure how many games some posters have actually seen of his.

 

[Devil may care]

Neither of sneijder nor Ozil was defensive minded before playing for Jose. Jose gets his players to work defensively. Offensively, James is a better goal scorer than all the other players that have played that position under Jose.

Jose did not use any of Hazard, Silva, Sanchez or Coutinho as his #10, so comparing James to them is irrelevant and pointless.

Ozil wasn't defensive under Jose, but he didn't need to be given they dominated 90% of the games they played, and when they played the bigger games he was shunted wide or dropped. As for Sneijder, he always had good workrate. On the offensive side he does score more goals but is a poorer passer and dribbler in the role.

Jesus dude, you are so obsessed with defending James that you are just ignoring everything that points to this being a bad idea. I wasn't saying any of those players had played for Jose, I was talking about players that occupy the same zones he does and who are much more agile and mobile when pressed, an area he will struggle with in the PL, so it's not pointless, this guy is not suited to our team or our league and is massively overpriced. .

 

[andersj]

Well he sure as feck isn't an 8 and half without the ball, he doesn't have that workrate at all, and I don't think he will score that many goals removed from battering La Liga's cannon fodder that makes up the bottom dozen of that league. the other aspect that will see him struggle is he's not very agile, he needs more time on the ball than you get in the PL, he's not like Hazard/Silva/Sanchez/Coutinho that have the low center of gravity and agility to turn quickly in tight areas and lose their man.

James was midfielder of the year in La Liga in his first season for Real Madrid. He played the majority of the games as one of the midfielders in a 433. He won the ball 2,5 times per 90 min (1,6 tackles, 0,9 intercept). For a side with as much possession as Real Madrid, that is not half bad. If he manage to do that with a poor workrate that is even more impressive.

I bet you that these numbers are better than Sneijders. Furthermore, I would guess that they are alot better than Mata or Rooney.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Maybe Griezmann has said he wants to stay at Atletico while Simeone is still there for one more season and to go into the new stadium. Problem with that is, we just cannot wait for him. We need someone now.

 

[Arka_BleedingRed]

Well he sure as feck isn't an 8 and half without the ball, he doesn't have that workrate at all, and I don't think he will score that many goals removed from battering La Liga's cannon fodder that makes up the bottom dozen of that league. the other aspect that will see him struggle is he's not very agile, he needs more time on the ball than you get in the PL, he's not like Hazard/Silva/Sanchez/Coutinho that have the low center of gravity and agility to turn quickly in tight areas and lose their man.

If Agility was the main criteria, how are players like De Bruyne, Payet(before he left), Ozil and even Fabregas working in the PL? There are more than one ways to play football. If we do get James(and no, I'm not rooting for him to join us), he would instantly be our most decisive attacking midfielder in the final third, even better than Mata. He is excellent technically and would complement a striker like Belotti very well.

 

[Devil may care]

James was midfielder of the year in La Liga in his first season for Real Madrid. He played the majority of the games as one of the midfielders in a 433. He won the ball 2,5 times per 90 min (1,6 tackles, 0,9 intercept). For a side with as much possession as Real Madrid, that is not half bad. If he manage to do that with a poor workrate that is even more impressive.

I bet you that these numbers are better than Sneijders. Furthermore, I would guess that they are alot better than Mata or Rooney.

Yes, I've seen the midfielder of the year stuff but it was hardly a 4-3-3, and you can win the ball high up to account for the stats, workrate is about more than stats though, it is about ground coverage and about closing down space and tracking back time after time when an attack breaks down, the stats don't account for that as there isn't a tackle or interception involved.

Like I said, the numbers don't tell the whole story, they are a chapter at best, and I know you don't think James has anywhere near Rooney's workrate when he was good. However it's not relevant either as Rooney should be sold and I'm not advocating using Mata as a #10 or a regular starter.

 

[andersj]

Ozil wasn't defensive under Jose, but he didn't need to be given they dominated 90% of the games they played, and when they played the bigger games he was shunted wide or dropped. As for Sneijder, he always had good workrate. On the offensive side he does score more goals but is a poorer passer and dribbler in the role.

Jesus dude, you are so obsessed with defending James that you are just ignoring everything that points to this being a bad idea. I wasn't saying any of those players had played for Jose, I was talking about players that occupy the same zones he does and who are much more agile and mobile when pressed, an area he will struggle with in the PL, so it's not pointless, this guy is not suited to our team or our league and is massively overpriced. .

1. We did not "lose the PL" against the best teams in the league. We lost it against sides we dominated.

2. You seem to be just as obsessed with attacking him as any others are with defending him.

I'm not sure James as a ten is a perfect option against City, Chelsea or Spurs. But I do think he can be a great option against most other sides.

 

[Devil may care]

If Agility was the main criteria, how are players like De Bruyne, Payet(before he left), Ozil and even Fabregas working in the PL? There are more than one ways to play football. If we do get James(and no, I'm not rooting for him to join us), he would instantly be our most decisive attacking midfielder in the final third, even better than Mata. He is excellent technically and would complement a striker like Belotti very well.

Payet was agile and De Bruyne plays out of the crowd in the wider areas most of the time, Fabregas is a CM operating deeper and also has more agility and mobility than James, I think you are mixing up agility and pace, as all 4 are indeed not quick. As for the rest. I've never been a big Mata fanboy but I think the underrating of him and Mkhi in favour of a player like James is strange, but I don't want any of them playing as a #10 at United, the role in and of itself is detrimental to our best player.

 

[FC Ronaldo]

Is he a Jorge Mendes client?

Could there also be an element of Adidas sponsorship in this deal?