James Rodriguez | joins Bayern Munich | 2 year loan

James Rodriguez - should we go for him?

  • Yes

    Votes: 404 34.6%
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    Votes: 565 48.4%
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1. We would not sign a player like Ribery (even if he is better than what we have) and thus we should not sign Douglas Costa who is a lesser player.

2. Douglas Costa bundesliga stats at Bayern
2015/16: 23(4) games 4 goals 9 assists
2016/17: 14(8) games 4 goals 3 assists
Even at Shaktar, h had never scored more than 6 goals in a league season, while Mkhi scored 25 in his last season

Mkhitaryan bundesliga stats at Dortmund
2013/14: 29(2) games 9 goals 10 assists
2014/15: 21(7) games 3 goals 4 assists
2015/16: 28(3) games 11 goals 15 assists
Mkhi struggled initially cos Klopp played him out of position in the middle. His last season, under Tuchel, he was played on the flank and was more effective.

3. The only thing proven about Costa is that he would never live up to his u21 hype.

4. We need quality, and not pace for the sake of pace. Quailty>pace. Pace without quality is an headless chicken.

5. Rashford will spend most of next season as a LWF, Martial on the bench until he proves otherwise, Mkhi as RW/RM, new CF, and new #10. we will have Lingard, Mata and Martial as backups. Costa is an average/good player that you use for squad depth like he is being used at Bayern. We cant afford such luxury when there are starting spots that need to be upgraded. If at his prime he cannot break into the bayern 11 against Robben and Ribery, he has no business at United.

6. James is a far more complete and superior player than Mata. I cant think of a single area in which Mata is better than James (and I have watched Mata since he was at Madrid Castilla)

7. Mata is the only #10 and he is not good enough to start if you want to compete for championships. James on the other hand is one of the best at that position. James will offer creativity, goals, set pieces and ability to win games out of nothing. Even if we had fifty #10s, as long as they are not at James level, I will sign James and sell the lot. Its not a game of quantity but quality.

Not worth going through each point, but the main ones are that I think Costa is better than you do, I don't think we need a 10 at all as we have Pogba and he's perfectly suited to a 3 man midfield and I sort of agree with you about there being a very good chance that Rashford is the first choice left winger next year so it wouldn't shock me if we signed a 9 and Griezmann but I think we'll end up playing 4-3-3 a lot anyways, like this if it's Lukaku and Fabinho for example:

----------Lukaku------------- (Martial)
Rashford-------------James (Mkhitaryan, Mata)
------Pogba----Herrera------ (Fellaini, Pereira)
----------Fabinho---------------- (Carrick)

and I'm not sure James is worth the money in that role.

On the other hand, I never thought Mourinho would use Cesc in a midfield 2 and he did the last couple years at Chelsea so maybe he will just play Pogba with a partner (Herrera or a DM), buy James, play him most weeks as a 10 and we'll sign a 9 and you're right that Martial, Mkhitaryan and Rashford will be the wide options. Who the hell knows?
 
Not worth going through each point, but the main ones are that I think Costa is better than you do, I don't think we need a 10 at all as we have Pogba and he's perfectly suited to a 3 man midfield and I sort of agree with you about there being a very good chance that Rashford is the first choice left winger next year so it wouldn't shock me if we signed a 9 and Griezmann but I think we'll end up playing 4-3-3 a lot anyways, like this if it's Lukaku and Fabinho for example:

----------Lukaku------------- (Martial)
Rashford-------------James (Mkhitaryan, Mata)
------Pogba----Herrera------ (Fellaini, Pereira)
----------Fabinho---------------- (Carrick)

and I'm not sure James is worth the money in that role.

On the other hand, I never thought Mourinho would use Cesc in a midfield 2 and he did the last couple years at Chelsea so maybe he will just play Pogba with a partner (Herrera or a DM), buy James, play him most weeks as a 10 and we'll sign a 9 and you're right that Martial, Mkhitaryan and Rashford will be the wide options. Who the hell knows?
My opinion is less important than the evidence on ground. There is no basis for your high evaluation of Costa. He was average at Shakhtar and is still average at Bayern. That he cant break into the current Bayern starting 11 is proof.

That you think Pogba is suited to a 3-man midfield in a 4-3-3 is of no relevance given that Mourinho sees him in a dual pivot of 4-2-3-1. We will play the 4-3-3 with Herrera on rare occasions when we need a more defensive midfield. This has been Mourinho's template for quite a while, and there is no evidence he is going to change it at United. That is why he got Pogba and also the reason we are linked to more AM type players than the CMs you would need in a 4-3-3.

What we will see is more likely
----------------CF------------- (Martial)
Rashford----James---Mkhi-- (Lingard, Mata)
------Pogba----DM------ (Fellaini, Herrera)

This is what Mourinho likes, and also what is most likely to get the best out of the players in our squad. We simply dont have the depth for a 4-3-3

Depending on what the eventual terms are, James might be worth the money or overpriced, but he is the kind of quality player we need to have starting in that position.

BTW I might be in the minority, but I have seen nothing of Pereira to suggest that he can be a part of the core rotation next season. For me, he should go out on loan to a more stable club (coaching instability at Granada was terrible), preferably in Germany (italy is a bit on the slow side to develop EPL midfielder).
 
Really not convinced by this being a good idea. I can see it being another expensive flop. James can be brilliant but also has big flaws in his game and a lack of versatility which can either hamper the team or his chances of starting. Given we don't have real Madrid teams it could end up being the former. Could be a big payoff but I'm not convinced that this is the sort of player we should go for. I'd prefer players who were either much quicker or much better playmakers or not at clubs like real Madrid and dreading leaving.
 
Really not convinced by this being a good idea. I can see it being another expensive flop. James can be brilliant but also has big flaws in his game and a lack of versatility which can either hamper the team or his chances of starting. Given we don't have real Madrid teams it could end up being the former. Could be a big payoff but I'm not convinced that this is the sort of player we should go for. I'd prefer players who were either much quicker or much better playmakers or not at clubs like real Madrid and dreading leaving.
like who?
 
All this nonsense on the back of two long range goals at the World Cup. :rolleyes: If he's tired of Madrid, he can go to Italy for go back to Columbia.
 
I would be surprised if James arrive unless a few other '10's' are sold. Would be an overload of players wanting to utilise the same space if not.

He's a decent player though, but could also become another Özil type player.
 
I would be surprised if James arrive unless a few other '10's' are sold. Would be an overload of players wanting to utilise the same space if not.

He's a decent player though, but could also become another Özil type player.
Who are all these imaginary "other 10s" cos besides Mata, I dont see another. (Rooney doesnt count cos he is not part of the future)
 
Who are all these imaginary "other 10s" cos besides Mata, I dont see another. (Rooney doesnt count cos he is not part of the future)

MKh Griezman could be also that. James Does not suit united.His camp begging for united to come and get him while De gea dealis done on the cheap. There is nothing in the news i feel.
 
I trust a Columbian radio station about as much as I trust Chilevision.
Our side needs pace and a winger (like Douglas Costa) is much more needed that James.
 
Yes. Why? Because our best player (Pogba), in my opinion, plays much better in a 433. When he plays in a 4231, he's just as good going forward, but defensively, he's a liability, at times.
But by upgrading the DM we sort of take care of Pogba's defensive issues (even though these past few months he seems to have improved on that aspect). A better No.10 improves the quality of chances we create and a striker puts them away whilst Pogba, though being asked to be more disciplined, has the passing to open up teams. We will gain more going forward and lose a bit defensively but defense hasn't been our biggest problem this season - drawing against relegation fodder has been!
 
Since he's Colombian and i'm Brazilian i watched him a lot, because i tend to follow more closely our players(south americans).
So i really need to say two things that will make some of you hate me:

1 - I honestly believe many here just can't recognize who are the best players..they watch the guys in the pitch and see an alternative reality.

2 - James is FAR SUPERIOR to Isco, or Mata, or Silva...far superior.
Miki with the right mind would be better.
James is a guy who could win you a world cup.
You need to give confidence to this kind of player.

Sometimes in Spain the fans and media act like those kids everybody beat in the school, they dont know how to talk with girls, low testosteronized, etc, then they see the Brazilians or Colombian players, laughing, joking, surrounded by women..and they think: "mmm, this Dani Alves lad is not a good professional, look his Instagram posts"...
"Mmm, look those videos with James dancing...is not a good professional".
:lol: dafuq is this guy smoking?
 
MKh Griezman could be also that. James Does not suit united.His camp begging for united to come and get him while De gea dealis done on the cheap. There is nothing in the news i feel.
1. Mkhi is not a #10. When Klopp tried him as such he struggled. His best performance at Dortmund came last season playing on the flank.

2. Griezmann is not yet a United player so he cant be one of the "other 10s" that need to be sold like you claimed. Even then, Griezmann is best as SS, good as WF, and potentially ok CF (if you play a 'soft' attack like City) but not really suited to a #10 in 4-2-3-1 cos he lacks the creativity the role needs (which is why i never understood why Mou would still want him with Rashfords development so far).

For the 4-2-3-1 formation that Mourinho intends to play, James is the best choice so far in the market. Next best candidate would be Ozil (older, likely cheaper fee, higher wages, more creative, less goals)
 
1. Mkhi is not a #10. When Klopp tried him as such he struggled. His best performance at Dortmund came last season playing on the flank.

2. Griezmann is not yet a United player so he cant be one of the "other 10s" that need to be sold like you claimed. Even then, Griezmann is best as SS, good as WF, and potentially ok CF (if you play a 'soft' attack like City) but not really suited to a #10 in 4-2-3-1 cos he lacks the creativity the role needs (which is why i never understood why Mou would still want him with Rashfords development so far).

For the 4-2-3-1 formation that Mourinho intends to play, James is the best choice so far in the market. Next best candidate would be Ozil (older, likely cheaper fee, higher wages, more creative, less goals)

We Wont play a 4231, Pogba's best will never come in a 2 man midfield in a 4231 offensively, And he's not the best defensively too as of yet. I expect us to play 433 4312 3412 Or even a unbalanced 442.

Even if We play a 4141 Like Man city with someone like Fabinho in a deep role Both Pogba and Mkh can act as attacking midfeilders With rashford up top and Wingers suiting the system. just cant see James fitting anywhere apart from the wing which is not his natural game and would lack the b2b work rate for that position.

We all saw what pogba can do in a 3 man midfeild offensively vs celta vigo, we dont require a no 10. And besides if we ever decide to buy a no 10 it should be deli ali.
 
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1. Mkhi is not a #10. When Klopp tried him as such he struggled. His best performance at Dortmund came last season playing on the flank.

2. Griezmann is not yet a United player so he cant be one of the "other 10s" that need to be sold like you claimed. Even then, Griezmann is best as SS, good as WF, and potentially ok CF (if you play a 'soft' attack like City) but not really suited to a #10 in 4-2-3-1 cos he lacks the creativity the role needs (which is why i never understood why Mou would still want him with Rashfords development so far).

For the 4-2-3-1 formation that Mourinho intends to play, James is the best choice so far in the market. Next best candidate would be Ozil (older, likely cheaper fee, higher wages, more creative, less goals)

There is also mata there.
 
I wish we didn't sign him, we'll probably give him 200k per week and there's no evidence he will succeed here. There are too many players in our team who perform poorly yet are given massive wages and they don't justify it at all. Even if he do sign James Rodriguez, he'll be a short term success at best and yet we are losing our identity. We need to go back to what brought us success instead of taking Real's trash.
Also, keep De Gea, there's too many chopping and changes in our team and this is why we have performed badly in the PL.
 
It's their attitude.

Ozil and Di Maria didn't want to leave Madrid and were basically shoved out.

Their performances have shown since.

And Mourinho never likes players with bad attitudes and not wiling to fight hard on the pitch.
 
So Eto'o was joining the box and leaving Maicon taking the flank back and forth ? That looks exactly as our plan at the start of the season with Mata and Valencia.

He can deploy Griezmann in this position then, a RW on paper but joining the box leaving Valencia to take the right wing position while attacking, with James at Sneijder place in this formation and Rashford up front and it will look exactly the same. Will still need a high quality DMF to cover behind Pogba.

Looks very encouraging.
That's how he would play a team with limited resources. It's unreal to win something with that shit team. Pandev, jesus christ. I am hoping we will evolve our game and become a huge factor in the world. Not a bunch of grinders who are utilising their most awkward qualities to get the most out of a position they were not meant to play at in the first place. Etoo as a defensive winger. I'm puking!
 
That's how he would play a team with limited resources. It's unreal to win something with that shit team. Pandev, jesus christ. I am hoping we will evolve our game and become a huge factor in the world. Not a bunch of grinders who are utilising their most awkward qualities to get the most out of a position they were not meant to play at in the first place. Etoo as a defensive winger. I'm puking!

A team winning treble can't be described by "shit". Maybe it's crap on your eyes but the most important thing is on the pitch, all players are complementing each other tactically and fulfilling their roles to lead the team to win.
 
Not convinced with James, but his number really is pretty good for someone not in the first team, and at least with this guy in the team our set piece will be threatening :D
 
This is the first time I've stepped into this thread, and only reaction is" good lord, feck no."
 
Looking at the poll he's not welcome to our club. This must be the first galactico we sign that no one wants. Maybe Ibrahimovic had a couple of doubters as well, but that was for totally different reasons. This is a former world record breaking transfer, and most people seem to fear it happening.
 
Who are all these imaginary "other 10s" cos besides Mata, I dont see another. (Rooney doesnt count cos he is not part of the future)

For me I was mainly talking about what space they want to occupy, as in the central pocket between the midfield and the defense. That space I'd say players like Mata, Mhiki, Lindgaard for sure prefer to use. I agree that Mhiki is best as an inside forward, but the space is drifts into is similar. Heck, even Pogba enjoys drifting into that space if given the freedom to push forward.

You could also include Janusaj and Rooney (if they stay aren't sold) and even Fellaini played his best football as a 10 imo.
 
Has one of the sweetest left feet in the business, but few other strings to his bow.
 
This is not happening. I am so sure about it. Every united mag, every fanzine every guy you expect to have some good info say its not. I would bet a very stupid tagline for me if he comes here. There will be no more deals in madrid this summer.
De gea probably goes there
Griezmann probably comes here and thats that.
 
Even if we needed a #10 and didn't mind him lacking pace, would we really want this guy? People are comparing him (negatively) to Ozil and Di Maria but I'd seen an awful lot more from those two before they left Madrid than I have from James.

Add in the fact that he would undoubtedly cost a huge amount of our transfer budget.....
 
The Rooney aspect of the story makes it sound like BS. As if we need to shift Rooney to sign another attacker. Rooney is as good as gone, and if he somehow sticks around out of stubbornness we're sure as feck not gonna wait around to replace him.

I'd be happy with the signing if it was a decent fee, say £40mill or under. I think his mentality and work-rate are a bit better than everyone is giving him credit for and he has quality.

That said, I don't believe the story but one thing that makes it more likely is his marketability. Ed would love him.
 
Personally, I'd be for the signing (assuming it wasn't too pricey). If we could get him for £30m or so, we'd have money for a much needed attacker, plus a DM, which is what I think Mourinho wants for Pogba's partner.

Something like:

DDG
Some defenders including Bailly
Fabinho------Pogba
Mkhitaryan---James---Martial
Greizmann
Would look pretty good. Personally, I don't think Mkhi is a winger, and I'd like to see us bring in a RW and possibly play Mkhi at #10, but if James is cheap enough this could work too.
 
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