If he hasn’t seen it, must be because it isn’t there, ergo you must be hallucinating.
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If he hasn’t seen it, must be because it isn’t there, ergo you must be hallucinating.
it would be ideal if he could have a full season in the prem on loan now
but unless we do something amazing in the transfer market, we're gonna need him just for the numbers it seems
but unless we do something amazing in the transfer market, we're gonna need him just for the numbers it seems
I don't see that we need numbers unless we don't sign a DM. McT as backup DM, Fred, Bruno as first choice, Donny as wherever Donny plays passably, Mejbri as 6th midfielder and possibly a few games for some of the even younger ones from time to time as well. What we're short of is quality when you look at that list. But even then, if the DM is good it could still be a pretty strong midfield.
that doesn't sound too good really
I think ETH will want two new midfielders in, hopefully he gets them
And I agree. Garner should be loaned out to Forrest again. But if we are going to play Fred, McT and Hannibal he should definitely be included.
we should buy him and loan him back for next season along with jimmy.
Doubt if we will get 2 midfielders this summer. One will be minimal considering the priorities elsewhere -- a CB who can bring the ball up and a striker... who can press. Not sure we will have the budget for 2 mids then. It will be an opportunity for the academy kids to step up.
Can't watch McTominay anymore and I don't think he's ETH will really take to him. He's not young enough to think he'll improve a ton.
New #8 backed up by Fred. Hopefully it's De Jong, but if not someone else. Maybe Fabian Ruiz as he only has one year left.
New #6 backed up by Garner. He can pass, and we'll be playing a double pivot basically anyways. He'll get enough games since we have the Europa league and the cups.
Sell McTominay.
Allow him stay with Forest for another year, United should send Hannibal, Tuanzebe, Elanga and maybe even Amad there too.
Not allowed.
He seems to have morphed into a defensive midfielder .. I thought he had great mid range pass when he played for us first but was pretty average at everything else. My hope at that time was that he'd become a Carrick like playmaker if he developed.
Yeah but that's the point, it's got to be attractive for the buying club too. If ever Garner is going to be good enough to play CM for United then he should by definition be worth at least £50m. So it works for all parties.
Is there a loan limit?
People who watched the game yesterday and who understand football will gather the conclusion James Garner is a decent young player but he is no first team starter.
Watched him come through youth team and u23 but whilst he has a goal in him he doesn't affect games enough at the moment.
Wound me up seeing some of the news articles after game yesterday..
" Garner shows ETH exactly what utd are missing " "majestic loanee the difference" "Garner 9/10" etc etc
I would re-loan or try to get 30mill now
Watched him come through youth team and u23 but whilst he has a goal in him he doesn't affect games enough at the moment.
Wound me up seeing some of the news articles after game yesterday..
" Garner shows ETH exactly what utd are missing " "majestic loanee the difference" "Garner 9/10" etc etc
I would re-loan or try to get 30mill now
The issue is that Forest just don’t play the style of football that suits Garner. They tend to play the ball long and skip the midfield altogether. They rarely try playing the ball from back to front using the midfield to bring it forward.
They do however also rely on set pieces which is where he is a big threat, something we tend not to have at United currently.
I’d like to see him get a full preseason at us so ETH can get a feel for him, then make the decision on a loan or not. I imagine Forest will be more than happy to take him again, but a loan to a side who play a more suited style might be more beneficial.
Nahh, I can only assume he hasn't watched him very much.
I've been saying for months that he deserves his chance to make it at OT; his current competition for the midfield spots is low.
What Jimmy has above Mct and Fred is his game intelligence; he doesn't get caught out of position, and he's been instructed to keep it simple and be disciplined in his role.
Garner can be more creative with his passing, but that's not his role. I can see a manager like ETH work wonders with Garner.
I believe he's more than capable of initially cementing a role in the squad and getting regular game time. Over time he can become a regular starter.
Mct hides in games and needs too many touches to pass the ball. He has very little awareness of the passing opportunities when he gets the ball. At best, he's a box to box player as he can score a goal. Squad player.
What Jimmy has above Mct and Fred is his game intelligence; he doesn't get caught out of position, and he's been instructed to keep it simple and be disciplined in his role.
Garner can be more creative with his passing, but that's not his role. I can see a manager like ETH work wonders with Garner.
I believe he's more than capable of initially cementing a role in the squad and getting regular game time. Over time he can become a regular starter.
Mct hides in games and needs too many touches to pass the ball. He has very little awareness of the passing opportunities when he gets the ball. At best, he's a box to box player as he can score a goal. Squad player.
I don't think he has. If anything I think he's morphed into a more attacking player since he was in the academy. Which is partly why I think he'll find it difficult at United.
I dunno .. I only watched his touches compilation from the Huddersfield game and looked up his stats. He seemed to be the deepest midfielder player on the pitch (same line as the two CBs) and was pinging balls around. Put himself about and won quite a few tackles as well. I'd say a Ruben Neves type player almost?
He used to be a lanky kid when I watched him and he seems to have bulked up quite a bit too.
Think its only 2 from the same league.
He deserves his chance though its a big step up from Forest in the Championship to us. I think he has a chance of becoming what we hoped McTominay could be. Keep him at Forest next season and see how he handles the PL.
It’s simple, bring him back for preseason where Ten Hag can have a look at him and make a decision.
He doesn't look quite ready, but if we do not sign 2 upgrades on Fred and McT we certainly need him just for numbers.
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I still think he would be brilliant in a double pivot.
He's a nice player. Positionally very sound - he is always exactly where you expect and want him to be on the pitch. He was instrumental in the goal and also made a nice tackle in his own box to squash a dangerous situation. Passing wise kept it simple for the most part. but this was a final so to be expected. He kept them ticking over and was arguably MOM.
United quality? Hard to tell. When a player like Spence is being linked with everyone, and Garner looked more impressive than he did, it's possible that we are expecting too much from him. There's no reason at all that he couldn't evolve to the same level that Carrick did.
United quality? Hard to tell. When a player like Spence is being linked with everyone, and Garner looked more impressive than he did, it's possible that we are expecting too much from him. There's no reason at all that he couldn't evolve to the same level that Carrick did.
Great post. People in this thread writing him off already. 21 years old for a CM is baby years, he has plenty of time to improve. He’s done great so far.
We should give him a chance.
At worst, he's still an upgrade over Scott and he has more upside. Look at him play in the finals and he wasn't hiding, unlike Scott who'll hide in every game.
At worst, he's still an upgrade over Scott and he has more upside. Look at him play in the finals and he wasn't hiding, unlike Scott who'll hide in every game.
I’m a Forest supporter and had to respond to this because I think it’s a mischaracterisation of the way we play. You’re making us sound like a long ball side!
I would say that aside from Swansea - who take it to the extreme - there are few other sides in the Championship this season who‘ve played out from the back as much as Forest do. Samba, our keeper, is good in possession and our three centre halves are all encouraged to bring the ball into midfield by Cooper.
Where you may have a point is that we progress play a lot down the flanks, especially the right, because Spence and Johnson have been so threatening and productive this season. We’re not a side that seeks to dominate possession in the centre of midfield and play quite effectively on the counter attack, but that doesn’t mean that we bypass midfield entirely.
You have to also remember that the Championship is super competitive and demanding, so the composure can quickly go out of games. Maybe you’ve watched us on occasions when the game has got ragged, like the final, but at our best we’ve been a good side to watch and play in a way that it’s in keeping with the best Forest teams in our history (Carey, Clough, Clark, Hart - all passing sides).
I think it’s a loan that’s worked for all parties - Forest, United, Garner. If it was such a stylistic mismatch, I don’t think Garner would be happy, and it’s clear from interviews and reaction at the end yesterday that he’s loved being with us.
My own observation of Garner is that he’s a great young player, with lovely eye for a pass and superb set piece delivery, but he’s still developing, and not yet at a point where he’s imposing himself on games consistently - but that’s not harsh criticism because he’s been a good performer for us. I think he needs 30 plus games in the Premier League next season to get a true sense of his ceiling.
I think it makes sense for your new manager to assess him over the summer and probably send him out on loan again. Forest would love to have him back and I’m pretty sure he’d be happy to go back to Forest, if his prospects for game time at United are limited.
Absolutely on the money regarding Garner, I can't believe some people in here are trying to claim he hasn't got a good passing range or vision.
Hopefully Forrest takes him back next season, but I won't be surprised if they decided to go on another direction and sign someone on a permanent basis, this is the EPL and for teams promoted to it, they will need committed players who can help them survive and retain PL status, I'm not insinuating that Garner will not be committed to their cause, but there is a possibility Forrest will try to find someone on permanent basis.
This a great idea. Send all our players to Forest so we can sign all Ajax’s. Can’t see who would object to that!
Let him stay there for another year unless he's a phenomenal talent absolutely ready for a big club. He has a good thing going there.
sounds like a hot prospect to be honest. It’s up to the manager; he’ll probably see him in preseason and make an decision on whether to keep him or loan him again, hopefully to a premier league side where he can play and get premier league experience. Forest might be a good option
Why is everybody so desperate to send him out again? He’s had a great season at Forest so now is absolutely the time to try him here. If he’s as good as he seems great, if not move him on for a fee.
Same goes for Williams, Chong, Amad, Pellestri etc. we’ll never know how good they are unless we push them.
Same goes for Williams, Chong, Amad, Pellestri etc. we’ll never know how good they are unless we push them.
We are in the Europa so we will have about six group games where he can start, add that to maybe 3 or 4 in the League Cup and thats about ten games for him to stake a claim for a more prominent role in the PL side so we can keep him around. But if we sign an accomplished DM we should explore a sale with a buyback clause, he should easilu earn us about £25m which can be used to fund the acquisition of a RB.
For me, he needs to stay. I don't think he should be a starter every game, but I think he should be playing 30 to 40 games next season, mostly from the bench with some EPL starts and Europe League for sure. He needs to integrate into the squad, he definitely has the talent, in my view. I think he is miles ahead of Mctominay when comparing them both at 21 and with more experience in games and minutes, he is easily better. A players ceiling is important to understand and whilst many things will impact it, on paper, right here and now, Garner wins everyday for me. He has to stay, I hope he is our future captain. Yes I am bias, I have had faith in this guy foe a while now, the Forrst loan was perfect for him. He led a team of men.
Our central midfield has been a disgrace for too long, we have a promising young midfielder on the back of a very good season and fans want to send him out on loan? Not saying he'll be a world beater but I've already seen enough to know he's an upgrade on McTominay.
He didn’t “lead” our team. He wasn’t the captain or the most influential player. He played well in a good team and has obvious talent to play at a higher level if given time and the right conditions.
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