I agree on the principle that United sign 2 starter DM/CMs
Otherwise he has to stay because another season of McFred will make me very angry
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Otherwise he has to stay because another season of McFred will make me very angry
and that shows how much he knows
I still maintain it depends how much we strengthen. If we bring in two midfielders he should stay there, if just the one then he'll get enough games to justify staying with us. Think Ten Hag with his detailed coaching would benefit him next year.
loan again next year will be perfect for him.
settled in the team, 38 Pl games. we will get a much better idea if he’s ready for us after that.
settled in the team, 38 Pl games. we will get a much better idea if he’s ready for us after that.
Tuanzebe was our 3rd choice CB when he came back but could never get off the treatment table. Shit comparison.
Some posters on would criticize Busquets' passing if he was from the United academy....
Yeah, fewer progressive passes than Joe 'sideways' Allen.
He's definitely improved physically this season. He imposes himself a bit more...always thought he had a tendency to ghost through games at times.
Another loan to Forest would give us a much better picture of whether or not he can contribute here.
I don't think it is possible, but I'd be very open to loaning him out to a Premier league team who tend to dominate possession. Brighton would be perfect, but as I say, I don't think they can guarantee him minutes. Failing that, hopefully Ten Hag can work his magic with him.
Too slow
Sometimes you can see whether a player has it after a few games. It was very obvious after a few games he's not at the level required for where we want to be. That being said, he's still better than Mctominay.
One of the best loan deals by United in recent times. Garner had an excellent season.
Loan him back. Don’t just sell a top young player because other young players have failed before him.
Yeah not really. I do believe a manager and a treble winner have the capability to rate a player better than most caftards.
He can’t even get his name right
The name thing was all me, I just didn't want to let the virgin spelling nazi get more ammunition.
He is a more talented player than McTominay and Fred, but he's still not good enough to be a first choice Manchester United player. We need to stop being sentimental and lowering our standards.
Hopefully Forest buy him, it would be a great move for the lad.
Hopefully Forest buy him, it would be a great move for the lad.
Liverpool sold Rhian Brewster for £20M. We should be selling the likes of him and Henderson and reinvesting in the squad.
Yep, sell him now if we can get decent value. Add a buyback clause if we can.
Pre-season with us so ETH can look at him then loan him back to Forest for the season in the premier league.
Not sure if he's good enough, but now is as good a time as ever to sell him. I saw that Southampton, Leicester, and someone else were interested. We could easily command £20-25m for him.
rather sell Fred/McT and keep this lad
I like Garner but from a cold, hard business perspective, this would be a great time to sell him.
Id say he's a good player for his age but right now, he's nowhere near the level required to challenge for top three in the PL
Ask Forest for £25m and put a £50m buyback clause in. That gives him the best chance to play weekly in the PL and develop to his max. potential and we get instant cash to inject into the squad
Id say he's a good player for his age but right now, he's nowhere near the level required to challenge for top three in the PL
Ask Forest for £25m and put a £50m buyback clause in. That gives him the best chance to play weekly in the PL and develop to his max. potential and we get instant cash to inject into the squad
ETH must have been watching. What a great experience he had with nott forest. I think he can become a key part of our squad in three years.
Haha, fvcking hell fella, he’s levels above McHiding so I’m seriously bemused as to whether you actually understand football
Let's be honest, the odds that he will make it here and be an important player for us are very slim. Selling (ideally with some sort of buy back clause) while their value is on the high is a much safer option.
I think the problem with sending him back there next year would be that Forest look like cannon fodder. I don't see the quality there to be a decent PL side which will make it very hard to excel in central midfield as a passer. It's very hard for any Norwich players to look good for example, although that's possibly because none of them are!
He's very similar to Carrick, who never looked as he took a game by the scruff of the neck, he just quietly controlled the game. I thin with the right partner ( in a double pivot for example) he could make it here. I would certainly like to see him given a chance
£50m buyback?! That's more than fecking Fred cost and he was massively overpriced.
With the comparisons to McTominay, obviously they are different types of players but the obvious comparison is how little they get on the ball. I didn't watch the final (was planning to but got the start time wrong) but I have watched him play five other matches over the last 14 months or so. What has really stood out each time is how passive Garner was and how little he gets involved in the match. Five matches isn't a great sample size, but quite a lot of other people have made similar criticisms so it does seem to be a trend with him. Hopefully he develops into a more dominating presence that gets on the ball a lot more, as he is capable of making nice plays when he's got possession.
Apart from perhaps looking like him from a distance, he's nothing like him.
The Carrick comparison is a bit lazy just because he's a midfielder that passes sideways. Carrick passed sideways and backwards a lot, but was very progressive when he needed to be. Carrick was also very good defensively.
Sounding obvious but the club needs to make a decision, either they see a long term path to first team for him or they cash in this summer. He's not good enough for us now but 21 is young for a CM in the PL.
If we're buying two midfielders as expected this summer then his path is going to be blocked if they work out.
If we're buying two midfielders as expected this summer then his path is going to be blocked if they work out.
so is Garner
Garner has nothing on Carras aside from a general comparison. Carrick didn't start out as a DLP who screened the defense. He stayed in midfield, but was able to adapt to the base of midfield like Scholes did.
The back end of Carrick's career, he was a metronome with the ability to shift the defense then play decisive balls anywhere he was. Garner hasn't shown the ability to do that at the rate Carrick did.
No need to overstate Garner right now. He's developing nicely, the way Henderson did. The only saving grace is that McTominay cannot pass like Garner nor Fred for that matter. So Garner has that for him.
While Garner develops in the PL and learns the league, allow McTominay to be phased out.
Can't get rid of every single player in one window, but United can at least really plan and have a vision w EtH.
Carrick. One of the players in a high-achieving team that you question what does he exactly do when he does everything. He's rhythmic, lethally precise with his passing, and is great under pressure.
Ten Hag would like him.
Ten Hag would like him.
If we manage to get FDJ, we might want to pair him with someone who is happy to sit and can pass alongside him, so Garner would be a nice 2nd choice for that role. Like this I guess:
------------------------------Cristiano(Rashford)
Bruno(Elanga)-----------VDB(Hannibal)---------Sancho(Amad/Pellistri)
-----------------De Jong (Fred)-----DM-(Garner)---------------------------------------
Shaw(Telles)----LCB(Maguire)----Varane(Lindelof)----------RB(Dalot)
------------------------------------De Gea(Heaton)------------------------------------------
If we make 4 signings this summer. If we make a 5th, then in this setup it would seem likely to be a winger (with Bruno moving central) or a 9, though I don't see us selling Rashford and my guess is Ten Hag will try to make him a 9.
------------------------------Cristiano(Rashford)
Bruno(Elanga)-----------VDB(Hannibal)---------Sancho(Amad/Pellistri)
-----------------De Jong (Fred)-----DM-(Garner)---------------------------------------
Shaw(Telles)----LCB(Maguire)----Varane(Lindelof)----------RB(Dalot)
------------------------------------De Gea(Heaton)------------------------------------------
If we make 4 signings this summer. If we make a 5th, then in this setup it would seem likely to be a winger (with Bruno moving central) or a 9, though I don't see us selling Rashford and my guess is Ten Hag will try to make him a 9.
I think it's best if ten Hag has a good look at him during pre-season then the club can make a decision if he should be with the squad next season or head out on loan again. Have a feeling many PL teams will be interested in taking him on loan.
Not from what I've seen.
Then you haven't been watching closely enough, he has an excellent range of passing and has great vision and regularly plays line breaking passes.
Yeah, I think what's more likely is people telling themselves what they want to see. Time will tell.
I've watched him lots of times over the last 2 seasons, I'm not telling myself anything, I'm telling you.
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