Gomes made his bed.
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Seems like a veiled attack on the manager
Again. I said with exception. Dean was out on loan well before Ole came, and was proven in the PL before coming back to Utd at the end of the season. He hardly counts and Mason is a generation talent. My point is promoting young players is beyond being good enough and there are hundreds of examples of players that weren't but proved managers wrong. We have one of the biggest examples in Pogba.
Ultimately, my point is it's beyond patient cause they aren't being given the opportunities. The last two managers gave youth more opportunities than Ole, and that's saying something given Jose's track record. My point is we have all moaned about the CB partnership and even when fit, Tuanzebe has had a look in. He was outstanding against PSG, then never played. We have moaned about McFred, yet we have Garner and even more so the young Welsh or Irish player (whose name escapes me) who has played more international football than for Utd?
Gomes wasn't sold but I'm not alone on here who thought we should of offered him more first team football....and that is my point. Bellingham was right to go to Dortmund as he'd be playing U23 football too....
It's a opinion and history is a good indicator of the future. Not saying he won't be back, but like Gomes, the players are even getting the chance in the lesser rounds of the cup. I'm sure when Amad came here, especially after scoring in Europe he thought he'd be running out in dead U23 football?
Never got the chance to get out of it.....
I think that's down to your interpretation, not mine. No ones above criticism and yes I do think more young players should have been given more opportunities especially in the lesser competitions and also because it's not like they are trying to break into the 99 squad.....
Ole is constantly promoting players. Of late, Shoretire, Elanga and Hannibal have all been training with the first team. Promoting players does not necessarily mean that they will be starting. You need to prove your worth at training first, then you will be handed some minutes. One step at the time, but this time of the season, where there are no crap cup games to be played, your chances will of course be limited.
so history would be that he'd either go out on loan at a higher level or be brought into the first team squad like what happened with Henderson and Tuanzebe.
He's been promoting lot of young players mate. You will be given opportunities more regular when you are ready like Dean.
Last season, Tuanzebe was given a chance for 5 matches in a row with Lindelof was sitting on the bench vs Newcastle. He played vs Rochdale and was given armband, vs Arsenal (PL), vs AZ (EL), vs Newcastle (PL), vs Liverpool (PL). Guess what happened? Injured in warm up vs Liverpool. Thus, why I mentioned if you are injury prone, you will end up like Tuanzebe. As long as Garner is not injury prone and good enough like Dean then he will get his chance as regular player.
He's made of glass.
Tell us who should have had a chance that hasn’t then?
Truly pathetic! Please don’t push the personal agenda to destroy this thread. We want to know how well Garner does here rather than your anti-Ole opinion!
I'm quite surprised how little Williams has featured this season. And the lack of game time Gomes got but we don't see them in training.
Not sure I suggested that they should be starting, I just don't think Ole truly promotes youth especially compared to the last two managers. Just a view but I don't think he trusts them enough too. Not seen any evidence of it and the names people have suggested, those decisions were often made by previous managers anyway. We have a talented young midfielder who has played more international games, than even being in our first team squad. Off subject but if Ole doesn't appear to trust a Dutch international, not much of a chance for this lad.
Dylan Levitt for starters.....
ah yes, Jose the advocate of young players that definitely didn't throw a wobbler and damn the qualities and playing chances of our young players (including 'generational talent' Mason Greenwood') because he lost a few pre season matches.
ok you're trolling
Isn’t he on loan? In which case it may be that the first we will see off him is preseason
At someone I’ve never heard off. I’m not convinced by him I have to say, I think better players have left over the years. Anyway that’s just my opinion.
Pathetic? All I said that's he good but don't think he'll get his chance. Not sure why any view seems to automatically mean it's a broad brush anti Ole opinion. Anyway, I though all opinions were personal, they are no longer allowed on here? I'd have thought a young players pathway to the first team was very relevant.....
He went on loan to Charlton Athletic in League 1 and barely played. He's now on loan in Croatia.
Decent player who needs time to develop physically to see his true potential.
Absolutely not, I think if a young player is good enough to be playing international football, he should be here and not on loan.
Come on though, the example you put forward for levitt was weak. He’s not ready for first team at United
With all respect to wales, it’s wales. We see the same for NI and Ireland.
He couldn't get a game in League 1 for a mid-table club. Suggests he isn't ready or potentially not good enough
Dylan Levitt is nowhere near good enough to be getting games for us. Good passer, nice and tidy, but struggled in league one and has since been farmed out to Croatia.
You apparently missed my point. This is a thread for Garner. He is playing a game now. I came to check out how he does, like any match day when he plays, because I have high hope for him to make it here.
Today, I entered this thread and found nothing but anti-Ole auguing for two pages of posts! What’s going on, buddy?!
Like said, I'm not saying he's good enough but I'm not alone who think he should a least be here and not on loan if he's good enough to be in a international squad.
My point was he's a good player, just don't think he'll get his opportunity here. Like most things on here, it's developed into people becoming defensive because I don't share their opinion and somehow I'm anti Ole cause I don't believe he promotes young players. I think there's more to Ole than whether he promotes young players or not. Fan forums only seem to work once you are offering the same view as anyone else. We'll see....
Welcome late to the party, and I didn't mention getting games just a Welsh international you can't even be around the first team squad. I'm sure he'll get lots of valuable experience as a young lad in Croatian football....
How did Jose gave more chances?
People somehow think he played McTominay a lot when he barely played him.
So how did he perform today ?
He's already been around the first team squad. Has had experience in the under 23's and played against Astana. Loaning him to league one was a perfectly acceptable pathway for him. Not our fault he couldn't adapt to the physicality of the league. What is the alternative?
Axel, he's been fit for months and has barely had a kick, even when we play 3 games a week, but this isn't so much a youth player issue with Ole, it's a rotation issue, we've ran Rashford, Bruno, Lindelof, Maguire and AWB into the ground with 3 games a week while Axel, Williams, Van de Beek and Amad have been lucky to get 5 minutes out of 270.
What you on about?
United give more younger players games than any of the big 6 (and lower).
Not sure, sure there is a reason for it, just don't understand how a young player can play for his international team but not be around his club squad?
Did I say Utd don't give young players as much games as other teams?
Ole have given 13 academy players their debut in his time in charge. in the 19/20 season he gave 8 debuts and thus equaling the most academy debuts in a season. A record that had stood for 67 years from sir matt busby. Promotion of youth is clearly not a stick to beat him with.
According to Roy Keane you only need to be able to trap a ball to play for your country these days..
I'll let you tell him.
No but you don't half seem to be moaning about a lack of opportunities for people..
We do need to actually try and win things too. It's a balance. As well as not mentally destroying young players.
Not every academy player will make it, that's how it is.
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