Film James Bond is the Worst Spy In the Entire World...

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We might as well have a black superman and white shaft while we're at it then!


Something's should not be changed. Bond was written as a white guy and should stay that way.

This is not racist either. I've spoken to plenty of my black mates and they think the idea of a black Bond is stupid.


Superman has been always depicted as a white guy with black hair, but there is nothing fundamentally altered in the storyline by changing his skin colour, it wouldn't really effect the out come of any plot that I can think of off the top of my head. Considering he's the solo surviving member of an alien race, the fact that he looks remotely human at all is the only per-requiste to me.

If anything it would make the whole Clark Kent-Superman looking a like and no one saying anything make a boat load more sense.


I don't really recall Shaft's story line but from wiki'ing it, sure you could flip the colour scheme but it's kind of an iconic 'black' role. When there is a look and history of a character depiction I can understand the resistance to an alternative casting decision but ultimately as long as the story fits I'm fine with it.


Bond has adapted and altered lots since first book, it's just a movement of the times and an attempt to keep him relevant. The parkour and moon lazers, sure weren't in the books.
 
Yeah I don't particularly see the issue with the idea of a black James Bond.

The Shaft argument is purposely misleading - that character is a product of the politics of racial marginalisation in the United States. James Bond is not a product of the British equivalent thereof moreso than any other person from that culture.

For example you could have a white Axel Foley, a black John McClane, a black... whatever Tim Roth's character was called in Reservoir Dogs, an Asian Bride (Kill Bill), a black Jason Bourne. Arguably those are different paradigms to Bond because they're all played by a single actor in either one or a small series of films, but the idea that Bond has become a concept more than a discrete individual really works in favor of the fact that he doesn't have to be defined by any particular visual trait.

There's no logical reason that he has to be white.
 
Just going to watch Tomorrow Never Dies, watched Goldeneye the other day as well. I don't care what anyone says them first 2 Brosnan Bonds was awesome just went way OTT after that.
 
don't think a black bond would work unless he was British. He is supposed to be working for the British secret service, I just don't see any black American playing this role convincingly.

Something's should remain as they are as others have said.
 
Well the discussion stemmed from the suggestion of Idris Elba, who is British.

I still don't think it'd work, though.
 
Watched Casino Royale last night, Quantum of Solace this morning, have Skyfall to watch for the first time later. I'm liking Daniel Craig as Bond, he seems to get just enough humour in whilst still maintaining a hard edge. For some reason I find the "we are school teachers who have won the lottery" line when he changes the hotel far funnier than I should.
 
New novel in September. Never read any of them before, they any good?

not read any of the newer ones but the old Fleming work is exceptional if you have never read them, In fact I have had a book that was a continuation of the Fleming writing since about 2008 which I haven't read so you have just reminded me about that.
 
Casino Royale is mint until Bond and his lass go on holiday. QoS is shit.

I didn't mind QOS but it is a wasted story now that they have abandoned the story they was building in the first 2 Craig movies that was suppose to go on for 5 or 6 movies if they carried on with that I think it would of been a lot better in the franchise.

Casino was great and very close to what Fleming written in his book IMO but obvious changes was forced as the world is very different to how it was 60 years ago.
 
not read any of the newer ones but the old Fleming work is exceptional if you have never read them, In fact I have had a book that was a continuation of the Fleming writing since about 2008 which I haven't read so you have just reminded me about that.

I've read them and found them quite unimpressive. racist as well.
 
Just going to watch Tomorrow Never Dies, watched Goldeneye the other day as well. I don't care what anyone says them first 2 Brosnan Bonds was awesome just went way OTT after that.

Yeah, both quality. Especially Goldeneye.

Watched Skyfall for the first time last night and thought it was massively disappointing given the hype. It was a bit of an odd watch in all honesty, mainly because it seemed like it was sort of trying to take the piss out of itself a lot of the time whilst also having a stab at being serious. It just felt a bit unbalanced and the atmosphere was weird.

That's before moving on to the massively underwhelming plot. There was no real build up to it, no decent interaction or connection between Bond and the villain, perhaps too few typically Bond-esque moments (like the awesome scene at the start of the film, for example - that was typically ludicrous and brilliant) and a pretty strange emphasis on M as opposed to Bond himself. It just seemed too much like it was trying to be unique without actually being that good a Bond film. They had this fantastic opportunity to create a brilliant rivalry between two legendary agents - one that could've culminated in one hell of a battle right at the end - but the most we saw of this other brilliant agent was his ability to casually chuck grenades through windows. That as well as bottling a shot on M when he'd just tore up half the London underground just to get to her. It was a wasted opportunity and he ended up to be nothing like as good a character as, say, Trevelyan was in my opinion. He was a bit limited by the obsession with M and, even though Daniel Craig is supposedly more like the Bond in the books with his hard-man type approach, I think his character really hinders his interaction with other characters and that the villain could've been top drawer in different circumstances. It reminds me a bit of the discussion on here not long ago about Marlo in The Wire, and how the dryness of his character was a bit underwhelming and weak for the role he was playing. I think it makes more sense in the case of someone like that in that context (whereby his sort of robotic actions also reflect his personality, but with his character still being integral to an interesting and well thought out plot without there being any detriment), whilst with Daniel Craig you lose too much in a Bond film having a character like that.

Another thing which I suppose isn't really a criticism for many...I'm a bit confused as to whether the setting of the film is meant to fit in at all with any other Bond films or stories. I've not seen Quantum of Solace and can't really remember too much of Casino Royale, but it was confusing seeing Bond's relationship with M, the emphasis on an aging/past it Bond, the subdued reaction to Bond's death at the start and the introduction of Miss Moneypenny, all in what must've been a modern day context given that it was set in today's London. I'm guessing that there was no intention to keep it consistent but it just added to the overall oddness of it. I couldn't stop thinking about how there wasn't the same context in regards to any of the other Bonds and that, even though a weak plot in a Bond film could be carried by the fact that they are part of the legacy that is the Bond series, the strength of it was further weakened because there wasn't this link. On the surface of things, the plot would've been ok-ish and acceptable in theory, but it made it a fiction within a fiction for me and fell massively short as a result. It took away the tradition and back-story that could've aided a weaker and less well refined plot.

Maybe that's just me. Everyone else seems to be banging on about how good it actually is, but the best I could say of it is that it made me want to go and watch Goldeneye.
 
Seen that Pierce Brosnan is the latest to say he wants the next Bond to be black, it's just something I don't understand to be honest. I just don't see the problem with keeping the character how he is, it's not like the franchise is struggling or there isn't any white people capable of playing the role.
 
Seen that Pierce Brosnan is the latest to say he wants the next Bond to be black, it's just something I don't understand to be honest. I just don't see the problem with keeping the character how he is, it's not like the franchise is struggling or there isn't any white people capable of playing the role.

I'd love to see Lennox Lewis as Bond.
 
Seen that Pierce Brosnan is the latest to say he wants the next Bond to be black, it's just something I don't understand to be honest. I just don't see the problem with keeping the character how he is, it's not like the franchise is struggling or there isn't any white people capable of playing the role.

Well the content of his character would remain the same. Just not the colour of his skin.
 
Daniel Craig is getting on a bit now.

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I would like whoever the next Bond is to be a good actor with enough charisma to fill the role.... I don't really care much beyond that to be honest. Not sure why skin colour has to come into this... it's not like James Bond is a real life bloke or anything.
 
I would like whoever the next Bond is to be a good actor with enough charisma to fill the role.... I don't really care much beyond that to be honest. Not sure why skin colour has to come into this... it's not like James Bond is a real life bloke or anything.

He is a character adapted from a series of books with a clearly defined history, as I've said before I am not sure why he needs to change ethnicity from the original writers vision.
 
He is a character adapted from a series of books with a clearly defined history, as I've said before I am not sure why he needs to change ethnicity from the original writers vision.

I'm not sure why it matters what ethnicity he is, it's not integral to the character.

As long as the actor is good and can play the part, he could be green for all that it matters.
 
No, I am not a fan.

Thankyou! I love the guy as an actor, just not as James Bond.

Brilliant in lockstock and a few similar films, its not that he plays it badly, I just think he is a bit skinny and small and looks like someone from down the pub to me...

EDIT: Layercake, my apologies :) (Its because of the 3 the stand out for me was Snatch, I always confused the other 2)
 
Layer Cake hasn't got much in common with Lock Stock and Snatch though Jayzbezia, at least in my souvenir? Layer Cake is a serious crime/thriller movie, whereas Guy Ritchie's films are lighter, a lot of laughs in them. I agree Craig is very good in Layer Cake though, I really liked that film.

But I also like him as Bond, I feel he made the characters his right from the start in Casino Royale.
 
Craig reminds me a lot of Connery as Bond, I wasn't sure when he got the role I wanted Clive Owen to get it but I'm very pleased with the way it's turned out.
 
He is a character adapted from a series of books with a clearly defined history, as I've said before I am not sure why he needs to change ethnicity from the original writers vision.

Because his ethnicity doesn't figure into the character of James Bond (not a blanket role, ethnicity can figure into the portrayal of a character, but for Bond it doesn't).
 
I'm not sure why it matters what ethnicity he is, it's not integral to the character.

As long as the actor is good and can play the part, he could be green for all that it matters.

Because his ethnicity doesn't figure into the character of James Bond (not a blanket role, ethnicity can figure into the portrayal of a character, but for Bond it doesn't).

It does and has done even more so in the recent movies where he is portrayed as an ageing out of touch rich-middle-class-white-male type with all the public school boy tenancies but who as an orphan has underneath a much more complicated history.

The idea of changing the history that has taken a while to set up is more than stupid at this point, and they would have to change the history to change the ethnicity.
 
It does and has done even more so in the recent movies where he is portrayed as an ageing out of touch rich-middle-class-white-male type with all the public school boy tenancies but who as an orphan has underneath a much more complicated history.

The idea of changing the history that has taken a while to set up is more than stupid at this point, and they would have to change the history to change the ethnicity.

I'd agree with this to be honest, still undecided who I would like to follow Craig at this point though.
 
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