Jamal Musiala

do.ob said:
Let's hope for the sake of every football fan that Musiala can at some point reach these legendary levels of output:

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See I assume you watch Jamal a lot and he is a special talent. In the months leading up to Mason's suspension he was actually really showing himself in a more mature way and much more involved. I'd go as far to say that he was our best player when the news broke. Now I really hope he never plays for us again, or anyone else, but he really was a special talent that could have become one of the best ever. Now we'll never know so best to leave it. However its wrong to disparage his football performances. And, yes, Sancho has never shown near to what Mason did at United so far, but I have have huge hope for Jadon because he is obviously a special talent. Hope ETH can unleash that.

Despite his off the field charges, Mason was every bit as big a talent as Jadon or Jamal and you'd be an idiot to not see that. Either way we'll never know, hopefully, because Mason should never play again.

Those stats are Jamal playing for the best team in his League, Mason's are for the 5-8th.
 
kidbob said:
See I assume you watch Jamal a lot and he is a special talent. In the months leading up to Mason's suspension he was actually really showing himself in a more mature way and much more involved. I'd go as far to say that he was our best player when the news broke. Now I really hope he never plays for us again, or anyone else, but he really was a special talent that could have become one of the best ever. Now we'll never know so best to leave it. However its wrong to disparage his football performances. And, yes, Sancho has never shown near to what Mason did at United so far, but I have have huge hope for Jadon because he is obviously a special talent. Hope ETH can unleash that.

Despite his off the field charges, Mason was every bit as big a talent as Jadon or Jamal and you'd be an idiot to not see that. Either way we'll never know, hopefully, because Mason should never play again.

Those stats are Jamal playing for the best team in his League, Mason's are for the 5-8th.
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Don't worry I'm not an idiot. I can see how he's a goat level talent. I mean 22 goals and 4 assists in the PL. Messi still has zero. Levels.
 
El-Manos said:
living up to your award I see. You clearly don’t watch many premier league matches if you don’t rate greenwood as a footballer .
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Problems with reading comprehension, I assume. Unless you think not placing someone on level with Musiala and Sancho means 'not rating him as a footballer'. Greenwood was just starting on the trajectory to become a top player when ..., which Sancho and Musiala already were/are in that age.
 
Hansi Fick said:
Instead you guys are putting down a Man United player to big up an ex-Man United player.
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The player is fine, the league he walked was a joke. Don't know why some of you keep putting up numbers as if the leagues were equal.
 
Greenwood is getting overrated here, I think. He was never as good as Musiala is now. Sancho was better in Dortmund, as well.

Whether he was as big a “talent”, I don’t know. It’s conceivable that he could’ve become better than either. But he never showed that level of consistency.
 
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do.ob said:
Don't worry I'm not an idiot. I can see how he's a goat level talent. I mean 22 goals and 4 assists in the PL. Messi still has zero. Levels.
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That's a very needless post to be honest. None of those mentioned are Messi level and I've never shown a bias towards the PL. I also never said Mason could be GOAT, just that he was a similar level talent to Jamal but now we, thankfully, will never know. I don't know whats going on with you but honestly you seem wound up.
 
kidbob said:
That's a very needless post to be honest. None of those mentioned are Messi level and I've never shown a bias towards the PL. I also never said Mason could be GOAT, just that he was a similar level talent to Jamal but now we, thankfully, will never know. I don't know whats going on with you but honestly you seem wound up.
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Probably because the „PL is the best“ brigade came into this thread to diminish Bundesliga players‘ achievements. It is flogging a dead horse and for every Bundesliga player underperforming in the PL there is probably another example of someone being clearly better. But that doesn’t fit the lame narrative.
 
Acrobat7 said:
Probably because the „PL is the best“ brigade came into this thread to diminish Bundesliga players‘ achievements. It is flogging a dead horse and for every Bundesliga player underperforming in the PL there is probably another example of someone being clearly better. But that doesn’t fit the lame narrative.
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Ah fair enough, I don't realise that was a thing. @do.ob I certainly wasn't trying to disparage German football and sorry if you thought I was. I simply viewed Mason as a talent comparable to Jamal. I think Jamal will go on to achieve incredible things, and, before he ruined his career, I thought Mason would too.
 
kidbob said:
Ah fair enough, I don't realise that was a thing. @do.ob I certainly wasn't trying to disparage German football and sorry if you thought I was. I simply viewed Mason as a talent comparable to Jamal. I think Jamal will go on to achieve incredible things, and, before he ruined his career, I thought Mason would too.
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No worries mate. I think you just got caught in the crossfire
 
Acrobat7 said:
Probably because the „PL is the best“ brigade came into this thread to diminish Bundesliga players‘ achievements. It is flogging a dead horse and for every Bundesliga player underperforming in the PL there is probably another example of someone being clearly better. But that doesn’t fit the lame narrative.
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Also for you and @do.ob I really do think that ETH will get Sancho to replicate his Bundeliga form. I think he's too great a talent to not succeed and that ETH is the perfect manager who has handled his current situation well.
 
kidbob said:
Also for you and @do.ob I really do think that ETH will get Sancho to replicate his Bundeliga form. I think he's too great a talent to not succeed and that ETH is the perfect manager who has handled his current situation well.
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I really hope that happens... for Sancho, for United and for the quality of RedCafe threads discussing Bundesliga players
 
kidbob said:
That's a very needless post to be honest. None of those mentioned are Messi level and I've never shown a bias towards the PL. I also never said Mason could be GOAT, just that he was a similar level talent to Jamal but now we, thankfully, will never know. I don't know whats going on with you but honestly you seem wound up.
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It seemed quite appropriate to me, considering the usage of "idiot" and " one of the best ever ".

kidbob said:
Also for you and @do.ob I really do think that ETH will get Sancho to replicate his Bundeliga form. I think he's too great a talent to not succeed and that ETH is the perfect manager who has handled his current situation well.
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I think he's yet another player, who United bought without actually understanding what made him good, while also showering him with retirement grade wages. He already had attitude issues at Dortmund and they don't seem to have improved. I wouldn't get my hopes up.
 
do.ob said:
It seemed quite appropriate to me, considering the usage of "idiot" and " one of the best ever ".
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Fair enough, just terms I tend to use for top talents. I only meant that it was clear Greenwood was a special talent, which he was. Either way Jamal is too and I rated them as a similar level but now we'll only get to watch one grow and I think he'll be amazing. Didn't mean to imply you were an idiot. Sorry for that.
 
stefan92 said:
I really hope that happens... for Sancho, for United and for the quality of RedCafe threads discussing Bundesliga players
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Me too, I honestly think he has the talent to be the best English player. Hopefully ETH can sort his mentality to achieve that. He joined a team was massively struggling but now he's about to join one again on the up. Hopefully we see the real Sancho because he is class.
 
As good as that run was, the defending was even worse. It's not like he had to drop shoulders, he just ran through them because they let him
 
kouroux said:
As good as that run was, the defending was even worse. It's not like he had to drop shoulders, he just ran through them because they let him
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It was for sure not his best dribbling. And the defenders just were surprised and each thought that the other one would catch him... But he kept on running and did not think about stopping that and came through with it. Others even would not have tried because they would have thought it would not work...
 
stefan92 said:
I really hope that happens... for Sancho, for United and for the quality of RedCafe threads discussing Bundesliga players
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I think it is funnier when some deluded "PL is the best ever, far better than the CL" pretend Haaland would never score half the goals if he were in the PL... And that Vardy would have scored 40+ in the Bundesliga...
 
Suedesi said:
Same way Bayern ruined Gotze...
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I was actually reminded of the Götze story, what with the mysterious 'metabolism disease' that hindered him performing, when thinking about what is going on with Sancho.
 
kouroux said:
As good as that run was, the defending was even worse. It's not like he had to drop shoulders, he just ran through them because they let him
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No question. Musiala has made much more impressive dribblings.
 
mu4c_20le said:
The player is fine, the league he walked was a joke. Don't know why some of you keep putting up numbers as if the leagues were equal.
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I realize you're trolling and it's fine but let me state for the record that many of those teams Greenwood racked his goals up against, the 19/20-20/21 versions of Bournemouth, Burnley, Watford, Villa, were some of the worst teams I've ever seen play in one of the top leagues, hands down. Words can't describe how crap they were, I'd bet on a Bochum or Bielefeld against them any day.
 
Hansi Fick said:
I was actually reminded of the Götze story, what with the mysterious 'metabolism disease' that hindered him performing, when thinking about what is going on with Sancho.
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Yeah Gotze got hit bad by the illness. The guy had supreme talent. Hopefully Jadon has nothing like that and the time ETH has given him will see him show the talent he has. Gotze's issue really goes to show that nothing is certain in football. A pleasure to watch in his prime, so ruined by his condition. Credit to his talent that he is still relevant at a good level today.
 
Hansi Fick said:
I realize you're trolling and it's fine but let me state for the record that many of those teams Greenwood racked his goals up against, the 19/20-20/21 versions of Bournemouth, Burnley, Watford, Villa, were some of the worst teams I've ever seen play in one of the top leagues, hands down. Words can't describe how crap they were, I'd bet on a Bochum or Bielefeld against them any day.
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Yep the teams he scored against were awful but, despite going through a drought, his actual performances were great all around just before the news. I honestly think he was about to explode as a player just before he was suspended. He started to show his value in open play much more. Supremely talented but now, hopefully, is done for any club.
 
kidbob said:
Yep the teams he scored against were awful but, despite going through a drought, his actual performances were great all around just before the news. I honestly think he was about to explode as a player just before he was suspended. He started to show his value in open play much more. Supremely talented but now, hopefully, is done for any club.
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That's true, his performances were indeed exploding in his last half season. That's why I wrote, he was just about becoming a top player. In the seasons before, he contributed great finishing but little else, was out of the game most of the time, and wasn't selected to start in the top games.
Not a slight on an 18 year old, mind you, but the topic is a comparison with Sancho and Musiala who showed much greater overall quality and consistency at the same age.
 
Hansi Fick said:
That's true, his performances were indeed exploding in his last half season. That's why I wrote, he was just about becoming a top player. In the seasons before, he contributed great finishing but little else, was out of the game most of the time, and wasn't selected to start in the top games.
Not a slight on an 18 year old, mind you, but the topic is a comparison with Sancho and Musiala who showed much greater overall quality and consistency at the same age.
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Yep no arguments here. God I hope Jadon can show the real him here. Jadon, at his best, takes us to the next level IMO.
 
kidbob said:
Yep no arguments here. God I hope Jadon can show the real him here. Jadon, at his best, takes us to the next level IMO.
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Let's hope so. Because, most of all, at his best he's such an immense joy to watch, and really that's what it's all about for us football fans.
 
With Jadon there is just the question what really is wrong. He was one I was really sure that he will be a big success in the EPL as he was not the usual BVB mold. But it is young players - life outside the pitch, their partners etc. can be an influence, too.
And he was not like Pulisic a hype for one season that got worse in the second already before he was sold. I was pretty sure that Havertz will not be the biggest success as I thought that he for sure was overhyped - and Werner really needs the matching system and environment for him to shine. Kagawa was a matching element in that Klopp system that a good midfield and defense totally could eleminate (and they did that in Germany, too).
 
Suedesi said:
The Chelsea product who spent 2 yrs in Germany?
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He spent half a year in Chelsea and two and a half in Germany. I’d argue he’s more of a Bundesliga product than Chelsea’s. If you have some criteria he’s not meeting, state it.

Firmino would probably be the answer if KdB doesn’t count.
 
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Suedesi said:
Thinking aloud, but who's the biggest Bundesliga success in the Premier League? Ballack?
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Probably De Bruyne and Kompany more than Ballack. Then off the top of my head there's Lehmann, Hamann, Berbatov, Rosicky, Gündogan, Son, does Van der Vaart count?, then, *ahem* Firmino and Matip, and of course Christian Fuchs. And a PL legend in the making with Xhaka.
 
Hansi Fick said:
Probably De Bruyne and Kompany more than Ballack. Then off the top of my head there's Lehmann, Hamann, Berbatov, Rosicky, Gündogan, Son, does Van der Vaart count?, then, *ahem* Firmino and Matip, and of course Christian Fuchs. And a PL legend in the making with Xhaka.
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Very underwhelming list imo
 
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