You can't negotiate the same with a club with no champions league football vs one that already offers it to the player.
What is so hard to understand?
Two different clubs are not identical in their need for cash
What is so hard to understand?
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What is so hard to understand?
Two different clubs are not identical in their need for cash
What is so hard to understand?
Hopefully we don't it's a good deal.
well it will be a major miss that we will regret. We are trying to get back to the top of world football. Sancho wants to join. Can't afford to miss out on him.God help this thread if he joins a rival
I think this may be a key moment in this saga.
Statistically Sancho is a lot better and is nearly a year younger.
Why are people comparing Havertz price to Sancho, has no feckin relevance.
Something is worth whatever the seller deem it’s worth to them, we can’t expect Dortmund to benchmark their price against Havertz ffs.
Something is worth whatever the seller deem it’s worth to them, we can’t expect Dortmund to benchmark their price against Havertz ffs.
Sancho is playing in a better side and WTF does the age difference count for.
The simple truth is if we do not want to get continually rinsed by clubs aka Maguire then we take a stand and walk away.
So is it that Dortmund do not want to sell or only if a club makes an offer that is impossible to refuse?
In fairness we did do that with Maguire, then went back for him the next year and had to pay more.
There are quite a few clubs in other leagues not so high profile that can offer Chmps League and probably on a more regular basis than the English ones but that will not stop the player coming to England.
You made a comparison with property earlier and it is pretty obvious if your mate wants to sell and you do not then you are under no obligation to but if they are the same type of property and in the same suburb then I am sure we can agree that the value of the properties would be the same.
The smart move would be to make a massive offer to Marina to pry her from chelsea, but given judge and woodward would be negotiating her contract she'd probably end up on a £100m a year deal plus everything they make, everything they own, and their dignity
Leverkusen wanted to sell Havertz, needed the money more than Dortmund does and Havertz had more of a reason to leave due to there being no CL football. That's why it was 'easier' to negotiate that deal. It's not that difficult to understand. It's a lot harder to negotiate with a team that has no intention on negotiating because they are more than happy to keep said player.
In regards to Sancho - the consistent briefs makes me think this is just posturing from us, to eventually blame Sancho and his reps for why the deal didn't go through, them being greedy etc. It's probably the only way that they believe they can save face by pulling out of this.
If they say it's due to Dortmund's valuation, we come off looking like we aren't as financially stable etc. as we seem, not good for PR, shareholders etc. and goes against the notion that Ed keeps pushing that we are some juggernaut with infinite reserves. Alternatively though, if we blame the demands of himself and his agent, we make it seem like we are taking a stand to overpaying players and their greed is the reason they didn't end up joining. I see no other reason why they would keep leaking this info, it does nothing for anyone. Risks alienating the player/pissing him off and just frustrates the fans.
In regards to Sancho - the consistent briefs makes me think this is just posturing from us, to eventually blame Sancho and his reps for why the deal didn't go through, them being greedy etc. It's probably the only way that they believe they can save face by pulling out of this.
If they say it's due to Dortmund's valuation, we come off looking like we aren't as financially stable etc. as we seem, not good for PR, shareholders etc. and goes against the notion that Ed keeps pushing that we are some juggernaut with infinite reserves. Alternatively though, if we blame the demands of himself and his agent, we make it seem like we are taking a stand to overpaying players and their greed is the reason they didn't end up joining. I see no other reason why they would keep leaking this info, it does nothing for anyone. Risks alienating the player/pissing him off and just frustrates the fans.
That’s a wrong metaphor though. I have exactly that. Someone wanted to buy a land of ours and they used the price of an adjacent land to price it. We said we were not in need to sell and especially not at that price. We need them to overpay by a lot to consider selling, given the capital gain taxes we have to pay... and that’s because we need to pay the taxes, and then have enough to pay a similar land in the same area. The buyer walked away because he can’t afford to pay that much.
You only sell if you are leveraged and need to pay your interest and can’t do so. No financial pressure = no need to sell.
Players can make a fuss but in general, it’s a seller market. But maybe BVB are in need even if they don’t advertise it...
Sancho is better than havertz. Playing for a bigger club. This should have no relevance to our deal.
Bottom line is sancho is worth the fee. Its not a rip off in any way
Bottom line is sancho is worth the fee. Its not a rip off in any way
Sellers do benchmark against other similar assets — a seller does not simply arrive at a random number and set it as the price. Perhaps they did benchmark against Havertz and deem Sancho to be worth significantly more...
Also... there is a significant difference between the cost of a player, and their actual value. Dortmund might assess that Sancho costs a billion — does that mean he is objectively worth that outlay? Obviously not. Cost is numerical, value is not.
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Actually a good or service is worth exactly what a buyer is willing to pay, though I guess a unique good doesnt hold to general economic principles.
Anyway, Dortmund are playing hard ball as is their right. I still think 120m is a huge risk for a relatively unproven player, for all the excitement and how well he fits our needs, I dont think hes worth becoming the most expensive player in the prem. Pogba had achieved far more when he claimed that right.
Agree, he's a better footballer and I'm fine with us paying more for him. The important thing is to get signings like these done. Special players don't come by often.
I am sure we will sign Sancho and a LB. It is the minimum the club requires to compete. We will then have the cover needed in the squad. It is inevitable. With Chelsea's buying, 3rd place is at risk without strengthening. I think the Glazers will not gamble with missing out on fourth place.
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Happy Sancho Day My Fellow Muppets
Happy Sancho day 
Happy Sancho Week!
Next week is our week
We suddenly need a lb?
Thought it was a lcb and a striker and Thiago for lolz?
Merry Sancho day one and all.
I suspect Roman has Marina watched over by some ex soviet paramilitary just in case!
Happy Sancho Day! Can‘t wait he is ours.
When they appraise your house, it's decided by similar houses sold recently in your neighborhood. It's not a ridiculous argument. Similar players in their league went for 70M.
Nothing special about Marina. The player wanted to leave, Bayer can't play hardball. If Sancho publicly states he wants a new challenge, the asking price will fall.
Yes, in general that is true. But if your heart is set only on that one particular house and the owner is not really keen to sell, then he may price at 20% premium to interest him in selling that house. The question here really is whether BVB are ambivalent to if Sancho stays or goes or whether they are in desperate need to sell and are just bluffing. I think the situation is former given that they have him on a contract till 2023 and are not in any immediate need for cash. So we need to pay the premium to move from their position of ambivalence or walk away and find another comparable house.
Anyone could see that LB was our weakest link when Shaw was out. We need to replace him/have adequate left-footed cover to progress.
Happy day of Sancho!!!
I think we'll hear something after England's 2 games in my opinion, I want him to come to us before we play Crystal Palace 2 weeks today.
Ah achy pony pads
What someone values your house at and what you value your house at, with no pressing need to sell are two completely different things. If there wasn't a pressing need to sell a house, you'd be hard done finding an owner who would acceptable an offer consistent with what the value should be
CL semi final 2022: 80 mIns gone - Bruno’s dink splits the defense... Sancho is one on one with the PSG keeper....
He dinks the ball over the keepers head and it’s heading into the open goal.
Then Lingard makes a last gasp darting run into the box to get a desperate touch on it to score his first goal since the last day of the 2019/20 season. It wobbles awkwardly off his toe and over the crossbar
The 7th is 2 days away....
Happy Sancho day!
Happy Sancho day!
The Obligatory Happy Sancho day...feel it in my bones..
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