Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now

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Reapersoul20 said:
There won't be any actual news because Ed Woodward is a tyrant and a cheat.

Only six weeks left in this transfer window. It's clear Man Utd are never, ever signing a player again.

Ever.
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This is the guy that got Fellaini over the line, have some faith. That deal was so complicated with lots of forms to sign etc that we had to pay a bit more but BELIEVE.

TsuWave said:
Surely the tweet thread will be updated. Any news here have come via tweets.
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I like to read actual discussion & debate about actual news in relation to the transfer, all we seem to get in here is 20 odd pages of whinging.
 
Mickeza said:
Not sure what’s more tedious - the posters losing it thinking the end is upon us and we’ll sign nobody a week after our season finished or the at-home accountants trying to convince everyone we’re broke, the Glazers aren’t a disgusting leech on the club and everything is dandy. :devil:
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Probably the best route is to take on board what the actual qualified financial people have to say about the club, who are independent & aren't as emotionally involved with the club, like fans of United are!
 
United need next level players, the Champs League Final showed you what a difference it makes.

Buying 29 year olds over a still young Sancho as a stop gap is madness.
 
The news on him has gone so quiet. When was the last window where Manutd were so quiet? There is no rumours, no links, no bids.

It almost seems like we are not in the market.
 
Laughable people thinking that a good window consists of not buying Sancho and spending 30-40m on Brooks and another unspecified winger (Costa is the only link we have had for around 35m)
 
romufc said:
The news on him has gone so quiet. When was the last window where Manutd were so quiet? There is no rumours, no links, no bids.

It almost seems like we are not in the market.
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Yeah it's a bit odd that there aren't even rumours right now. There was that faint speculation about Brooks but that died down, thankfully. Did we not have any targets apart from Sancho?
 
Siorac said:
Yeah it's a bit odd that there aren't even rumours right now. There was that faint speculation about Brooks but that died down, thankfully. Did we not have any targets apart from Sancho?
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Looks like we had all our eggs in one basket and it has flopped.

Now that we cannot get Sancho, we might not be able to get anyone else... it takes us months to negotiate deals.
 
red thru&thru said:
Probably the best route is to take on board what the actual qualified financial people have to say about the club, who are independent & aren't as emotionally involved with the club, like fans of United are!
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Ah right okay. And how do they spin 1.5bn pissed away on interest payments the last 15 years following a leveraged buyout as a good thing for the club then?

It’s amazing how paying 70m interest payments every year with 2/3rds of our current revenue streams wasn’t a burden on the club and didn’t impact spending but losing 150m at most for one year which has already been amortised through a loan means spending anything will jeopardise the financial stability of the club. It’s almost like you’ve got a bit of an agenda.
 
romufc said:
Looks like we had all our eggs in one basket and it has flopped.

Now that we cannot get Sancho, we might not be able to get anyone else... it takes us months to negotiate deals.
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last minute loan deal for Costa and £35m for Brooks
 
romufc said:
The news on him has gone so quiet. When was the last window where Manutd were so quiet? There is no rumours, no links, no bids.

It almost seems like we are not in the market.
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Siorac said:
Yeah it's a bit odd that there aren't even rumours right now. There was that faint speculation about Brooks but that died down, thankfully. Did we not have any targets apart from Sancho?
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"No value in the transfer market" dejà vu all over again. I guess the writing is on the wall.
 
romufc said:
The news on him has gone so quiet. When was the last window where Manutd were so quiet? There is no rumours, no links, no bids.

It almost seems like we are not in the market.
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Very weird and concerning to be honest, especially when we know for months that the team neede reinforcement.
 
romufc said:
The news on him has gone so quiet. When was the last window where Manutd were so quiet? There is no rumours, no links, no bids.

It almost seems like we are not in the market.
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I'm standing by this...

pocco said:
Let's have a bit of fun and take a guess at how we think this transfer window will pan out.

I think this is what will happen:

1) Try to tempt Dortmund into selling Sancho for an even more discounted price (compared to Ousmane Dembele) for another few weeks.
2) It will eventually become even more obvious that they won't sell and that Sancho isn't overly fussed about joining us. At this point we will speak to Barca about Dembele.
3) We'll put a bigger offer in for Dembele than we did for Sancho, out of pure desperation.
4) Barca will say no and Dembele will tell us he's not interested in playing in England.
5) As the end of the window approaches, we'll get super desperate and give Madrid a small but reasonable fee to take Bale on loan.

In midfield we'll take Ramsey from Juve for about £25m.

By this stage, fans will be so desperate for signings that they'll point to the form of both players a few years ago and be excited at the prospect of them recapturing this form.

That is my prediction for our business this summer and how it will pan out.
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https://www.redcafe.net/threads/summer-transfer-predictions.456820/
 
Tony247 said:
Very weird and concerning to be honest, especially when we know for months that the team neede reinforcement.
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We had 3 months of no football to sit down and discuss options with the manager / Woodward.

How to improve the team?

If we have £100m to spend - lets go for x

If we sell 3/4 and have £150m to spend lets go for x

If we have £70m then we go for x

You would think that they would have spoken to Sancho's agent and asked what fee they think will be right?
 
Mickeza said:
Ah right okay. And how do they spin 1.5bn pissed away on interest payments the last 15 years following a leveraged buyout as a good thing for the club then?

It’s amazing how paying 70m interest payments every year with 2/3rds of our current revenue streams wasn’t a burden on the club and didn’t impact spending but losing 150m at most for one year which has already been amortised through a loan means spending anything will jeopardise the financial stability of the club. It’s almost like you’ve got a bit of an agenda.
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Well there's your first mistake on not listening to the experts. The interest payment is £20m a year, not £70m. See, it help when you read and listen to the professionals.
 
red thru&thru said:
Well there's your first mistake on not listening to the experts. The interest payment is £20m a year, not £70m. See, it help when you read and listen to the professionals.
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No. Now it’s 20m per year. At its height it was 70m. Hence the 1.5bn lost in the last 15 years part. Maybe you should also go read some articles by ‘professionals’ on basic reading comprehension.
 
Mickeza said:
No. Now it’s 20m per year. At its height it was 70m. Hence the 1.5bn lost in the last 15 years part. Maybe you should also go read some articles by ‘professionals’ on basic reading comprehension.
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So £1.5b on interest equates to £70m a year over 15 years?
 
red thru&thru said:
So £1.5b on interest equates to £70m a year over 15 years?
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The fact remains that they have taken £1.5B out of the club to finance the debt. Theres no arguing with that. The hired Ed to be in charge and he has presided over an absolute shit show since then. Again, they don't care about the football side of things as long as we are profitable. This was not the reason i supported Utd. What we have become and lot of other clubs as well absolutely disgusts me. Just as well i'm more passionate about Rugby that Football these days.
 
romufc said:
Looks like we had all our eggs in one basket and it has flopped.

Now that we cannot get Sancho, we might not be able to get anyone else... it takes us months to negotiate deals.
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I'd rather we didn't sign anyone if the alternative is panic buys in the last minute. That's a surefire way to accumulate more deadwood.

But it feels like we're making it up as we go along and that's not good.
 
laughtersassassin said:
The principal still stands. Ed handed him a contract two months prior. If you Werner going to back him then he should have been sacked not given a new contract.
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Giving Mourinho a new contract in January 2018 was insane, possibly the worst Ed Woodward decision. There was absolutely zero reason to extend his contract halfway through his second season.
 
TrueRed79 said:
The fact remains that they have taken £1.5B out of the club to finance the debt. Theres no arguing with that. The hired Ed to be in charge and he has presided over an absolute shit show since then. Again, they don't care about the football side of things as long as we are profitable. This was not the reason i supported Utd. What we have become and lot of other clubs as well absolutely disgusts me. Just as well i'm more passionate about Rugby that Football these days.
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£1.5b isn't the figure. Because if this is true, interest payments would have had to be £100m per year. This isn't true.

What were Manchester United before the Glazers? They were a business before that. There were shareholders and dividends paid then too. So not every penny earned was invested.

In terms of the football side? I wholeheartedly agree. The Glazers are responsible for this and have dealt with the transition from SAF poorly, very poorly. We should have done better with the finances that have been spent.

I have no issues with calling out the Glazers but you can't call them on false facts, that have been thrown around as gospel.
 
I believe this transfer will happen. Got nothing to back it up, no news etc. But just a feeling. It's gone quiet as we are debating how to make the offer in terms of the breakup. There is no other concrete news about any other player as a replacement. So it might be Sancho and another player we end up buying or just him. Might happen just before the start of the season is my guess. Hopefully it works out.
 
Witchking said:
I believe this transfer will happen. Got nothing to back it up, no news etc. But just a feeling. It's gone quiet as we are debating how to make the offer in terms of the breakup. There is no other concrete news about any other player as a replacement. So it might be Sancho and another player we end up buying or just him. Might happen just before the start of the season is my guess. Hopefully it works out.
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Hopefully you're ready to be disappointed.
 
Siorac said:
I'd rather we didn't sign anyone if the alternative is panic buys in the last minute. That's a surefire way to accumulate more deadwood.

But it feels like we're making it up as we go along and that's not good.
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We are making it up. I expect nothing less from this incompetent board.
 
It seems like Sancho is the only target this summer or something. We will spend the next month waiting for the miracle of BVB lowering their demands.
 
el3mel said:
It seems like Sancho is the only target this summer or something. We will spend the next month waiting for the miracle of BVB lowering their demands.
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He is the only target it's obvious. We will sit on our hands and wait for BVB to lower their demands, which they won't and we'll end up signing no one.
 
red thru&thru said:
So £1.5b on interest equates to £70m a year over 15 years?
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No the payments have now gone down as the total debt has decreased which you’ve alluded to. That figure equates to what they’ve taken out of the club including paying for the debt they incurred onto us with the earnings from the club. Oh and that yearly consultancy salary they all give themselves. You still haven’t explained how ‘finance experts’ have explained this was all good for the club? I’m fairly sure they’d say it was incredibly risky and for a time put the club in jeopardy.

A quick look online to refresh my memory and at their peak we were paying 25% of our revenue in yearly interest payments of the loan. COVID at most will take out around 17% of our revenue for one year. We have 90m available cash reserves, we can raise additional funds through sales and we’ve amortised the impact of those losses through a loan, we can spend money this summer without coming close to jeopardising the financial future of the club if we so wish. The club is a financial behemoth as proven by the amount the glazers have taken out of the club since their takeover, the fact we’ve still spent 1billion in transfers on top of that and despite this still made profits and built a sizeable cash reserve. That’s something I will give them credit for. They’re fantastic at running a business - the football side of things they’re useless at though.
 


If we do sign him up, I'm sure his marketing acumen will be a bigger deal sealer for Ed and the board rather than anything he's done on the pitch :lol:

They'd have wetdreams over pairing him up with our noodle sponsor
 
I'd much rather just do the following this summer.

Keep Smalling, buy Sancho even if it leaves the team with £10M left in the transfer kitty.

If a few players can be offloaded, get Grealish for around £40M this summer and 20M the summer that follows (offloading Jones, Rojo, Lingard, Dalot) or Thiago if he isn't liverpool bound.

Next summer buy a player to partner Maguire, offload Smalling.

Renew Pogba for 4+ years.

Chelsea have been really shrewd in the transfer market, even Thiago Silva is good business, United are really the biggest club in the world but are so slow at getting deals done.
 
TheNewEra said:
I'd much rather just do the following this summer.

Keep Smalling, buy Sancho even if it leaves the team with £10M left in the transfer kitty.

If a few players can be offloaded, get Grealish for around £40M this summer and 20M the summer that follows (offloading Jones, Rojo, Lingard, Dalot) or Thiago if he isn't liverpool bound.

Next summer buy a player to partner Maguire, offload Smalling.

Renew Pogba for 4+ years.

Chelsea have been really shrewd in the transfer market, even Thiago Silva is good business, United are really the biggest club in the world but are so slow at getting deals done.
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None of the above will happen. We will be left with no one signed and no dead wood removed. Ole will be sacked for poor performances, a new manager hired and the cycle will repeat.
 
It's happened a couple of seasons now. We're going to feck about and pretend to stand our ground on our top transfer target... wait until the end of the transfer window and pay the asking price (e.g. Bruno), if not more (e.g. Fellaini)
We think we can play this game with Dortmund but I think they'll get what they ask... we're just killing precious time.

Either move on or pay up.

If we drag this out we need to already be starting parallel negotiations with alternative targets to Sancho. Some names have been thrown in terms of who we are interested in but journalists seem to be unaware of any bids/negotiation.

Sigh
 
pratyush_utd said:
There is one thing most United fans fail to understand is that Glazers own the football club. Any money United spend is their money. This discussion is fruitless that how many millions were paid in dividends ( which is normal business practice) and how much was paid as installment and how much was spend on transfer. We have spent money and only LUHG twitter accounts will deny that because they live in their own fantasy world.

We will get Sancho eventually. We are not even in pre season. Just because few of our fans wants us to make a signing doesn't mean we shouldn't negotiate. This Dortmund will not agree thing is just media posturing. There is no harm in trying to find a deal that is good for us.
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People still think this is on? How come?
 
I think we already realised that we have to pay 120mm upfront (if reports are true). In this case we are probably working on getting enough cash, so selling some deadwood might be essential. That would explain why things went so quiet, we want to buy Sancho and accepted BVB's conditions but we have to figure out how to pay all upfront. At least that's what I hope.
 
No news is good news. If this was dead Simon Stone or Jamie Jackson would have an exclusive “Sancho deal OFF” but clearly we are still trying to get a deal done.
 
red thru&thru said:
£1.5b isn't the figure. Because if this is true, interest payments would have had to be £100m per year. This isn't true.

What were Manchester United before the Glazers? They were a business before that. There were shareholders and dividends paid then too. So not every penny earned was invested.

In terms of the football side? I wholeheartedly agree. The Glazers are responsible for this and have dealt with the transition from SAF poorly, very poorly. We should have done better with the finances that have been spent.

I have no issues with calling out the Glazers but you can't call them on false facts, that have been thrown around as gospel.
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Yes it is. You are just dividing £1.5B by 15 years for some reason.
 
La Pioche said:
Do you really think Sancho is cheaper after another Season full of class? With his growing experience he will only get better. Don‘t forget the Euros too. It‘s now or never in my opinion.
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People are panicking in here. Yes, I do think he will be. It will be a year without no vaccine before next summer and therefore very little income from the gates.

Both selling clubs will feel the consequences (Dortmund said so themselves), but also buying clubs will. In a year, PSG will look to both renew Mbappé and Neymar. (2022) and we haven't seen them splash really (also due to FFP constrains). I don't know why people think clubs will have a lot more funds available next year. It's a tiring game, and he will have 1 year left on his contract. He could then basically do an Eriksen or Sanchez for half a year more, so I don't get why the price should go up. There's also a chance for Dortmund that Sancho doesn't have an amazing season. We saw it with Pulisic, who had a form-dip and went to Chelsea a year after he was super-hyped, for a lower fee.
 
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