Another day, another sound of silence regarding us and transfers. This is pretty grim. We're barely being linked to anyone at this stage at least linked seriously. The Gabriel noise was feckin laughable. Shambles.
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100%. We will kicking ourselves in 2-3 years if we don't get him.
For the sake of comedy, I hope this thread reaches 1000 pages.... It’s over mates. Ed bottled it. Time to get our lives back.
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You okay with us getting sponsorship money from the Saudis and the human rights abuser? Or are you going to stop supporting the club from now on?
The issue with buying cheap, is the fact that the idiots negotiating will still hand out contracts that no other club on earth will pay. This means that if they flop we are stuck with them.
Why is it a shambles? it isn't going to be a vibrant busy window, were in the middle of a pandemic, teams are loosing 10's of millions of pounds, Man United has seen its debt increase by over 100million recently, we are likely to lose out on around 90million in gate recepts cos of fans not being allowed in the stadium. We already have a massive squad, even if you don't think it's good enough, we still have at least 2 players for every position, more in most cases. We struggle to sell players at the best of times due to the wages we pay, this summer that is going to 10x worse and players are going to be keener than ever to hold onto the big contracts they do have.
So its really not surprising we aren't rushing out and signing lots of players, in fact, its pretty sensible.
I mean no it isn't. Even Arsenal are making moves to fill holes in their squad. We might come out of this in a better economic position, but we will come out of this back out of the CL places if we dont even attempt to improve our squad.
Ed can't undo damage caused by pandemic. If we are tight on money due to Covid-19, there isn't anything anyone else in his position could have done.
Then he shouldn’t have been leaking to the press that our financial power meant that we could exploit clubs Covid situation.
We don't know who leaked what. 99.99% transfer news is horse crap.
Very true mate.
I'm sure we are attempting to improve our squad, but that isn't easy, signing a singer who is an improvement on what we have is not an easy prospect, 100+ million for Sancho would have been a big ask before the pandemic now, you aren't going to see any 100+ , a million transfers this summers.
As for upgrading in other positions, centreback we have 7 on the book currently, midfielders at least 6 come to mind straight away, we need to move players on before we buy and that isn't easy.
By the time we get to the end of the window the spending compared to the previous season will we be massively lower at pretty much every level of football, and fans need to lower their expectations.
We must be the top 3 richest clubs in the league and we’re currently one of only 3 teams yet to sign a player. Things can change quickly though but I fear a panicked late splurge rather than assured and quick recruitment. As usual.
If you think sponsorship from a private company based in the country is the same as being owned by the state itself, then you are very sorely mistaken. Not to mention the number of partners we have is likely in the hundreds.
Poor attempt at whataboutery, but nice try.
Yeah that's what I fear as well.
The targets we seem to be going for take time or are unavailable. It is not that easy to improve a team of our talent as evidenced by how many of our former players made it to the later stages of European competitions.
We were also the last club in the league to finish our season. Less than a week ago.
Everyone is comparing us to Chelsea, ignoring the fact that they are also taking their time to get a deal done for Havertz, from a German club who aren't inclined to let him go on the cheap. Or else City, who are playing from a different rule book to everyone else when it comes to how they conduct their business.
Everyone is comparing us to Chelsea, ignoring the fact that they are also taking their time to get a deal done for Havertz, from a German club who aren't inclined to let him go on the cheap. Or else City, who are playing from a different rule book to everyone else when it comes to how they conduct their business.
I get what you’re saying and I do think the Caf react ridiculously a lot of the time when other clubs sign players.
However, I do think there’s definitely players that our rivals (who also have talented squads and go for very difficult transfers) are managing to get at good prices and without hesitation, that would also immensely improve us.
Right now the challenge for United and probably the whole football community (except City, PSG and Chelsea) is to deal with the short term consequences of the Pandemic.
Notorious feeder clubs like Dortmund tries to pretend that the transfer market is business as usual when those clubs who wants to buy new players is dealing with the financial consequences of COVID and ask themselves when is the most optimal time to invest in new players.
Our dilemma with buying Jadon Sancho is highlighting this problem.
As it stands is probably financially impossible for us to pay Dortmund €120m is one installment. Maybe even €90m is too much in current circumstances. There is no doubt that Sancho is quality and that his profile perfectly match our needs. Pre COVID is a no brainer but with incoming losses and uncertainty when the Government will allow spectators to our arenas any outlay above our own cash reserves is short term irresponsible from a financial aspect.
Most clubs also know that the transfer market will probably be completely different next summer with less money for investments in new players. It’s highly unlikely that Dortmund will receive similar transfer incomes regarding Sancho that they can get this summer. The board of both United and Dortmund know this and that’s why Dortmund is selling their story to the media, and in the end to their own supporter, and United and Ed is reluctant to give any indications how they will do.
From a pure financial perspective it’s probably better to wait until next summer if Dortmund don’t lower their demands. From a sport and results perspective United should off course buy Sancho no matter if it’s £120m or not.
From the outside it looks like our manager, Ed and the owners has a good relationship where they all respect each other’s competence. In the end it’s up to the owners to make the final decision and I’m sure that Joel Glazer is viewing this challenge in a sensible and wise perspective where he both takes a short and long term perspective before he decides what to do. Wait until next season is a dangerous gamble in many ways but at the same time it isn’t wise to use our credit too much either.
I think all of us would hesitate if it was our club or our own money.
Notorious feeder clubs like Dortmund tries to pretend that the transfer market is business as usual when those clubs who wants to buy new players is dealing with the financial consequences of COVID and ask themselves when is the most optimal time to invest in new players.
Our dilemma with buying Jadon Sancho is highlighting this problem.
As it stands is probably financially impossible for us to pay Dortmund €120m is one installment. Maybe even €90m is too much in current circumstances. There is no doubt that Sancho is quality and that his profile perfectly match our needs. Pre COVID is a no brainer but with incoming losses and uncertainty when the Government will allow spectators to our arenas any outlay above our own cash reserves is short term irresponsible from a financial aspect.
Most clubs also know that the transfer market will probably be completely different next summer with less money for investments in new players. It’s highly unlikely that Dortmund will receive similar transfer incomes regarding Sancho that they can get this summer. The board of both United and Dortmund know this and that’s why Dortmund is selling their story to the media, and in the end to their own supporter, and United and Ed is reluctant to give any indications how they will do.
From a pure financial perspective it’s probably better to wait until next summer if Dortmund don’t lower their demands. From a sport and results perspective United should off course buy Sancho no matter if it’s £120m or not.
From the outside it looks like our manager, Ed and the owners has a good relationship where they all respect each other’s competence. In the end it’s up to the owners to make the final decision and I’m sure that Joel Glazer is viewing this challenge in a sensible and wise perspective where he both takes a short and long term perspective before he decides what to do. Wait until next season is a dangerous gamble in many ways but at the same time it isn’t wise to use our credit too much either.
I think all of us would hesitate if it was our club or our own money.
Haha. That family practically owns the country and if you think they don’t have a stake in the largest telecommunication corporation for the entire Middle East then you’re the one sorely mistaken. So it doesn’t bother you as long as we get the money through a middleman? Whatever floats your boat I guess.
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To be fair the guy does have a point. STC is 70% owned by the Saudi government. So essentially we’re already taking money from the Saudis. Being owned by them would just mean we take even more money.
I'm pretty sure at this point you are the only one really pushing this 'body language' stuff, you seem a bit obsessed
I think most people have stopped really caring by now tbhNot going to check if Honigstein’s latest comments have been posted here, basically he said that we haven’t wanted to meet Sancho’s demands let alone Dortmund’s and as it stands it’s not close. Also says that Dortmund aren’t playing games, right now they genuinely want to keep him but of course money talks.
He loves to see it, apparently
It's a joke of course. But some people seemed to care about the other pre-season matches, so I left the links here.I'm pretty sure at this point you are the only one really pushing this 'body language' stuff
can never say never. Some of the narratives as to why Dortmund are bluffing, the deal being already done, users getting right arsey when others said it wasnt happening etc were quite amusing though. I'm not even trolling, they genuinely were mind boggling.
I wouldnt say the deal is totally dead in the water as Sancho may kick up a fuss, whther likely or not who knows. The thing that would put doubt in my mind is the Dortmund related people coming out and confidently saying he is staying one more year, are going to look extremely silly if they sell him*. Given how awkward BVB sometimes can be, i think they may refuse to sell him full stop this summer, and sell him next summer when the chances of getting their desired fee are higher. (there will be more clubs in better positions to buy)
*Dembele and Aube examples totally irrelevant. They went awol and what not to get their moves
Chelsea effectively signed Werner months ago, while they were still pretty much in every competition going. City signed Ake and Torres weeks before their CL game against Lyon.
We just have clowns conducting our transfer business.
Why do you think offers are going to be lower next summer? Clubs will already have a pretty good idea how much they are going to suffer from Covid per season, their outlook on next season is already affecting their current spending. The losses to come are already weighing on their mind when they decide how much to spend this summer. If you know that you're going to lose your job tomorrow you start to curb your spending today. Right now the uncertainty about the duration of this pandemic is at it's high point, clubs have no idea when they will return to full capacity, when they will be at a point where they can sustain their business without going into debt, so naturally they are hesitant about non-essential spending. Next summer that situation will hopefully be different, not necessarily in the sense that all effects of the virus will be gone, but in the sense that a timeline for a return to normal becomes visible and at that point they can actually safely decide to balance out their spending over the next transfer periods via loans.
He certainly is obsessed although he'd tell you he's not.I'm pretty sure at this point you are the only one really pushing this 'body language' stuff, you seem a bit obsessed
Our rivals haven’t signed one player we needed yet.
What if it turns out there is a 2nd wave and deepens the economic crises or turns out things might turn ok but will take longer and this restricted spending becomes more commonplace and transfer market collapses?
I remember some claiming it would be done by first week of August, and I'm trying to remember when is the last time that a deal of that magnitude didn't get resolved in the last few days of the transfer window? I feel like every big move I can remember has usually gone down to the wire.
Always has been that way even under SAF.
Berbatov deal was incredibly exciting and the story of SAF going to the airport to "pick him up" was the stuff of legends.
If its meant to be, it will find a way of happening. If it isn't then we move on and find something more suitable.
I'm not saying that things can't get worse, what I'm saying is that these losses to come and further risks are already affecting everyone's willingness to spend today.
What I'm worried about is that we aren't moving on. We don't even have any credible links to anyone else, apart from Brooks. I'm a big fan of Brooks, would be delighted if we signed him down, but he would be a squad option, not the caliber of player to help us close the gap.
Not really how it works, we either go for the option that our manager wants, who will improve us immeasurably, and pay full whack for it, or we go for someone who is cheaper, our manager doesn't really think is good enough, and will have people whinging as to why they are playing instead of Greenwood, why we ever bought them, etc.
I've sat back and watched this thread, but it's fairly clear Sancho is the player Ole thinks we need to move forward, yet here we are again, CL money in the pot, sponsorship's secured, and us not building on it.
I hear you.
Your response is a good start to take this subject forward because right now almost all clubs including Borussia Dortmund suffers long term from excessive transfer fees. In the end it‘s us supporters who pays the bill so from that standpoint maybe you and I has a common ground to stand on.
I will use Borussia Dortmund (DM) as my example then it probably will be easier for you to challenge my theory. (?)
In latest information to the BD shareholders your board expected a annual loss of €49m (correct my numbers if I don‘t remember correctly) BD cash reserves after Q3 was reported as €19m and the own board had in the Q3 report speculated in transfer incomes to balance the books.
The information from BD dated to August 2020 (something) didn’t mention any correction in the cash reserves but it stated that BD had €350m in assets and a credit of €60m. Don’t you think it’s fair to expect a drop in the cash reserves and that BD probably at times has to use the credit to pay daily expeensives.
From what I understood did the authorities delayed the decision when spectators is allowed to visit your arenas. That indicates that BD will continue to do losses in season 2020/21 Q1 and Q2.
To balance the daily costs takes time, nothing a club do in a couple of months. Wages is connected to contracts and it would be unethical to fire employees as long as the club has cash in their accounts.
Even if spectators will come back at the start of 2021it will be hard to balance the books after six months of reduced revenues. This reality is something all clubs is dealing with.
You and BD can speculate with a status quo in the transfer market next summer but at some point BD needs injections in their cash reserves otherwise shareholders, the board and the banks will starts to put pressure on your CEO to balance the books. Nobody is immune when losses decrease the clubs cash reserves and BD shareholders starts to lose value in their investments.
All economical experience tells us that less money in the market means lower fees. To speculate in a Pandemic isn’t part of the clubs business model so therefore I think that selling one of BD more valuable player is a realistic option in the nearby future as long as the fee cover BD losses.
To let local pride and short term communication priorities jeopardize long term stability isn’t part of your shareholders priorities. As supporters they like it but as investors it make less sense. Maybe selling in a Pandemic will give BD less short term profit but at the same time it will secure a stable cash flow and that the club doesn’t have to increase ticket prices or similar when that times come.
I have nothing but respect for BD and how they run their business and this isn’t a fight between BD and United. If BD cash in €120m from United what do you then expect other clubs to do when BD want to buy young talents? This transfer fee spirals must one day hit the roof and the Pandemic is probably a good reason to revert to more sensible fees.
Do you find some logic in this or do you think I’m totally wrong when I expect a more sensible financial future regarding player transfers?
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