If that's true, it's extremely disappointing. This is the sort of talent that can play a huge part in elevating an attack for year and years to come.
Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now
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Sounds like he’s already got a better understanding of the state of our club than Woodward has.
Yeah I gave up on us buying him when we failed to make CL.
So he didn't say "we're a disaster" ??
It makes sense for him to stay at Dortmund for another year as he's only 19. And Zorc and Watzke have made it clear for awhile he won't be moving. Everything else is mere speculation..
He's 19, one season of not being in the CL should not be an impediment to him as it is to a 27 year old who hasn't won it before.
He's a 19 year old getting well advised. Like it or not we're currently an unstable mess with an uncertain trajectory. Why would he sign up for this mess which can't even offer CL football next season when he can stay at Dortmund for another season and still have his pick of top clubs next summer.
I thought Ornstein said it was 50/50? If we made CL it was nailed on.
Maybe he just enjoys playing in the CL and doesn't want one year of missing out. Could easily become more than 1 as well if he joined us.
he's one of the main men at a Dortmund team who are stable, have a good manager, play good football, and have a great coaching system for young players. Given the turmoil here you can see why he'd be reluctant to give that up.
I have no issue with anyone rating Felix higher than Sancho. I’ve said it again and again, I have a problem with people rating Felix higher than Sancho, Dybala, Griezmann or other proven players when they have only watched some YouTube clips. If the resident Portuguese fans felt that, I would put more stock in it. However, they are instead arguing with those who have watched YouTube clips that he actually isn’t as good as they are making out yet. The point is a simple one.
Anyone is entitled to an opinion. If you have watched both players and think one is better than another, fine. If you don’t really know what you are talking about, but pretend you do in order to appear informed to others, I have less time for your opinion on the matter, and see you as not too different from the ITK transfer wannabes. Obviously, by ‘you’, I don’t mean actually you.
You think Ornstein is simply speculating? Based on absolutely no information whatsoever? But he's "tier 1" in your precious reddit reliability tree...
Yep. That is the reality of where we are as seen by potential recruits. And that is perfectly understandable.
We are certainly not a 'go to' club at the moment.
The reddit reliability tiers there as a guide and make alot of sense.You think Ornstein is simply speculating? Based on absolutely no information whatsoever? But he's "tier 1" in your precious reddit reliability tree...
I put more stock into what Zorc and Watzke have said on the matter and they're tier zero.
What do you expect? We're still in a poor situation and not the preferred destination for top talents anymore. Would you join United at this stage? We have to be realistic here
Sancho and Félix are the proof that football makes people have bipolar behaviour
If I'm spending 100M on a player I'd want him to arrive with confidence that he can raise our level.
That's all good, its got nothing to do with missing the CL alone and it should be reported as such.
not in the headline though!
and if he wants a place where winning trophies is guaranteed, he should probably go to PSG or Juventus or never left City in the first place.
you never specified the headline though. It was reported.not in the headline though!
and if he wants a place where winning trophies is guaranteed, he should probably go to PSG or Juventus or never left City in the first place.
All of those (CL included) are very valid reasons for staying at Dortmund over coming here.
And anyway, he's 19, he has plenty of time to decide what big club to go to.
Going off of that “reported” bit if that is what he wants he might as well stay at Dortmund, because no one really in the premier league can promise trophies and development. He probably wouldn’t get in the City or Liverpool 11 and after that who can honestly say they’ll be competing for trophies currently and I doubt Arsenal or Spurs have the financial clout to pull it off so it leaves Chelsea and us and Chelsea have a ban currently.
So it swoops back around to PSG, Juventus, Bayern, Real and us or stay put another year at a team where you’ll play and the team have a good track record of developing people.
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A lot of talk that says he simply wants to move back to England and the premier league as his next step, though the timing on that isnt this summer. You dont even need to be an itk sometimes, it's a pretty logical situation. Players don't usually move on after just 1 season, and he's still very young. Staying at Dortmund for one more season is the best thing for all of them, and then he'll move.
If he wants the prem, then that's that isnt it? Leaves the top 6 clubs, 2 of which he wouldnt start at (1 of those 2 who he left in the first place so unlikely he goes back), 2 who can't afford him (or anything close to it), one who just sold their best player and have a transfer ban and who will almost definitely have a few years of turmoil after being so dependent on Hazard (and who now have Pulisic and Hudson Odoi on the wings for their long term plan), and then United, who have boatloads of money, have the history, the size of the club, the reputation, have an easy position where he'd slot in and be the main guy, and we'll see next season if we make the top 4 (don't think that'll br a deal breaker, but anyway I think it's only going to be 5 teams fighting for it).
Yeah true. Plus didn't Dembele leave Dortmund for Barca after one season? Hasn't exactly worked out well for him (so far).
I've a lot of respect for the lad if he is staying at Dortmund to continue progressing and get game time etc. rather than move back home just to get a bigger pay cheque at a bigger club, right now.
I really, really hope we get him at some point but I won't be miffed if it isn't this summer because it's logical for him to stay there.
Well that's no longer a guarantee. And even if he were to raise our level, we still might not be good enough for top 4
If they had won 2 more games, they'd have made top 4. So are you suggesting a 100M player can't even make that difference?
Perhaps not.
Yeah, and he had to basically burn all bridges with the club and he straight up stopped showing up to training to force a move and they still paid 120m+ for him. Was a rare situation.
I said it a while ago, Sancho is a dream signing for United and we make the most sense for him in a lot of ways, but it's just too soon this summer. Of course, we can't get him on name alone so we have to show some progress and ambition, but I do think United is far likelier than anywhere else as of now (for next summer).
Next season Chelsea is probably going to be mid table without Hazard. Its between Arsenal, United and Spurs for the 2 other top 4 spots IMO. Don't really think itll take much to outdo Arsenal but we'll see.
Well, there are some other clubs in the league that with the right recruitment and good coaching would be contenders for the fourth CL spot.
City, Liverpool and Tottenham will get top 3, then it is between 3-6 clubs to get the last spot: MUFC, Arsenal, Chelsea, Wolves, Leicester and potentially Everton.
In theory that's true, however we should have easily outdone them this season yet somehow failed to do that. Chelsea losing Hazard can't be overstated, but I do think currently they've the best balanced squad out of the chasing pack, which is why I don't think they'll fall off a cliff. We've severe issues in every department that need rectifying and quickly if we want a chance of finishing in the CL spots.
Not to mention Leicester, Wolves and even Everton could be in the fight with the right recruitment, they're not that far behind as is.
Another lies.
No one rated Felix higher than Dybala. What was said is, the likes of Griezmann and Dybala are SS whereas Felix looks like a player who can lead the line. I said same about Mbappe and Griezmann when they were compared on nairaland. I said Mbappe looks like the kind who can make the step up to the striker role because of his quality movement and instinct of a striker wheraes Griezmann feeds off his lead striker.
I don't fancy these kind of players because they are mostly luxury players who need the perfect setup to accommodate them and for a setup that wants to dominate the midfield, it's often difficult to accommodate them. You often talk about lack of comprehension whereas it's you who lack the comprehension skills.
What???
Dont be so sure...
There is no certainty that we will make the top 4 next season. Even if we get Sancho. Or Felix. Or De Ligt.
Chelsea and Arsenal will certainly struggle, but it is not as if we are much better atm. We would need to make good acquisitions this summer for us to be favourites on paper for a top 4. We are currently unable to press as a team, we can barely string 5 passes together, the average technical ability and physical condition in our squad are considerably worse than the other top teams and certainly no better than Wolves, Leicester and Everton.
Manager, a promise of new players coming in, having a core of players that work well together and good physical and technical abilities. As things stand now they are some way above us.
I'm not that bothered, Mason Greenwood is producing better stats than Sancho was at the same age. Let's give Mason a chance. He will prosper with some game time this coming season.
Will most probably lose Eriksen though - who is their second best player. We will see also if Levy will keep his promise in terms of new players coming in.
Sell Eriksen, get 2 players in.
And the players there do actually improve, while ours do not (based on the last 3 years).
I agree with this, but a lot of fans are unable to see this.
There are players who prefer to stay at lesser clubs, rather than come to MUFC. My belief is that this is because we don't have a big name manager (remember the Summer transfer window we had when Moyes joined us). Added to this, we saw relegation form from us, for 2-3 months until the season ended and we never actually recovered our form.
I think if Woodward was fired from footballing duties, that for me, would be a VERY successful transfer window. If Woodie stays in place, even if we bought Messi, Suarez and Neymar, we'd still struggle on the pitch, due to Woodie siding with the player, rather than the manager.
Best players wanting our or refusing to resign, few players seems to improve under us, indications that the club does not care about trophies as long as the financial aspect is ok, the lack of a clear playing style on the pitch (players might find it difficult to see how they will be used).
So yeah. If they want to improve or win trophies, they are better off elsewhere. If their main motivation is getting paid well compared to their abilities, then we are among the top destinations in Europe. And such players are the ones we should avoid.
I think the main point is you use Youtube clips and stats to make pretty strong claims about players while ignoring/downplaying the opinion of others who actually watch these guys play night in and out.
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