You sound like a teenager trying to justify a purchase to their parents. Kidding aside, in this current climate I can understand if the club finds it unreasonable. The price is the same price as before covid so its unreasonable if BVB refuse to make any concessions at all.
Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now
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You could question the "generational talent" claims if he was only performing domestically, but he's consistently scoring and assisting at every level of the game, which is always a fair indicator as to a player's ability.
The Bundesliga:
Played: 32
Goals: 17
Assists: 16
The Champions League:
Played: 8
Goals: 2
Assists: 1
For England:
Played 6:
Goals: 2
Assists: 2
Plus tonnes of goals and assists for City and England U21's.
Rashford by comparison:
The Premier League:
Played: 31
Goals: 17
Assists: 7
The Europa League:
Played: 8
Goals: 2
Assists: 1
For England:
Played 6:
Goals: 3
Assists: 0
Rashford holds his own in the goal-scoring department, but Sancho leaves him for dead where assists are concerned.
Rashford is considered to have had a very good campaign, with pundits, the media and fans praising him left, right and center, yet Sancho has surpassed him after playing at a higher level (the CL).
The Bundesliga:
Played: 32
Goals: 17
Assists: 16
The Champions League:
Played: 8
Goals: 2
Assists: 1
For England:
Played 6:
Goals: 2
Assists: 2
Plus tonnes of goals and assists for City and England U21's.
Rashford by comparison:
The Premier League:
Played: 31
Goals: 17
Assists: 7
The Europa League:
Played: 8
Goals: 2
Assists: 1
For England:
Played 6:
Goals: 3
Assists: 0
Rashford holds his own in the goal-scoring department, but Sancho leaves him for dead where assists are concerned.
Rashford is considered to have had a very good campaign, with pundits, the media and fans praising him left, right and center, yet Sancho has surpassed him after playing at a higher level (the CL).
Yes, if the Sancho deal fails, that's precisely what I fear - a last-minute panic-stricken mega deal for Grealish.
@KM's a good poster but I wouldn't go that far.
I can understand it but be honest with yourself based on other players prices Dortmund could easily be asking for more.
This place is underrating his performances. Also so far Covid has not affected prices one bit. Look at the winger Napoli signed from Lille.
Also cheers for being so condescending. Forums really need people like that.
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No you can’t have more than one generational player at a time. That’s literally what it means.
Problem is people are making up a new definition of generational talent left, right and centre.
feck knows which one yours is.
omg, what are you on about?
So Cristiano Ronaldo, Wayne Rooney and Messi were not generational talents? They were all in the same age bracket and era.
You are beginning to sound really stupid. When was "generational player" label unique to one person in that era?
Meaning of generational talent:
" To qualify to be a generational talent, a player must have been at the very top of the game for a long period. This talent must have been obvious from a very young age with the player in question going on to do great things in his career. "
You really need to study what you are referring to before posting mate.
I’m certain this will get done.
It’s a stupid term, and the sooner this forum loses it the better.
Before people started talking shite about what generational meant, frankly.
It’s such a pointless expression which literally has no meaning and multi definitions.
Yea that makes no sense
So Ronaldo, Ronaldinho and Thierry Henry weren't generational talents either because they were part of the same era?
Yea that makes no sense
So Ronaldo, Ronaldinho and Thierry Henry weren't generational talents either because they were part of the same era?
Yeah the expression means feck all. Literally no meaning.
Where did the change in thread title come from? Thought there had been a positive update.
News from Dortmund:
Sancho staying and signs new huge contract until 2023.
Next year they are selling him.
Win-Win situation for Dortmund and Jadon
Sancho staying and signs new huge contract until 2023.
Next year they are selling him.
Win-Win situation for Dortmund and Jadon
It's meant the top talents, as in the actual 1% in terms of ability/quality, from a certain period of time (hence the word generational) in most sports for quite a long time and it's not exclusive to this forum or football in particular at all.
You're getting bothered over semantics regarding an expression that's neither new nor ambiguous.
Would the words prodigy or wunderkind sound better to you? They've existed for even longer with much of the same meaning
I mean if we went by your definition you could still call Sancho a generational talent in terms of English players. He has the talent to be the best English player of his generation and it’s plain to see that.
Someone’s mate who works overlooking old Trafford saw white smoke coming from Old Trafford and hoped it was for Sancho’s unveiling video.
I'm sure it's just gone quiet so Dortmund can find their replacement.
We pretend talks are still happening so the club they are buying from don't get suspicious.
I think once we hear news of them signing somebody else we will hear done dealio.
If we weren't going forward it would be cancelled by now i'm sure.
We pretend talks are still happening so the club they are buying from don't get suspicious.
I think once we hear news of them signing somebody else we will hear done dealio.
If we weren't going forward it would be cancelled by now i'm sure.
Give me a leathering if you want later on but I am 100% certain this transfer is happening. No idea when but it will happen.
Leave the thread title.i like it.
Grealish is hyped way too much. If we buy Grealish as a Sancho replacement, we'll be making the same mistake of shoehorning players like Mhikitariyan, Rashford, Martial, Dalot as RW when clearly they aren't. And at the price of 80m, I rather we hijack the Havertz deal instead to play as a False 9 with Rashford and Martial ahead of him.
Howard Nurse have just confirmed that there a second wave of this pandemic known as the black plague.
Does begin to feel like this will get over the line (hearing silly stories that Sancho has joined the team's WhatsApp group) but I'm worried that, as usual, Woodward et al seem incapable of doing more than one thing at once and do wonder if we will get anyone else in - and we still don't really know if Pogba wants to stay (who cares, I hear them ask)
We need to get this done and then move to other targets (plus get rid of some of the deadwood to finance deals - no one seems interested in Rojo or Smalling (no surprise there). Looking at how others are "improving" (City and Chelsea in particular), we can't afford to fall any further behind: I honestly think we benefited hugely from the break
We need to get this done and then move to other targets (plus get rid of some of the deadwood to finance deals - no one seems interested in Rojo or Smalling (no surprise there). Looking at how others are "improving" (City and Chelsea in particular), we can't afford to fall any further behind: I honestly think we benefited hugely from the break
I think Havertz would be brilliant for us. OK, I haven't seen huge amounts of him, but he feels the closest to Scholes we will ever get...
It dosen’t make sense for Dortmund to keep him for another year with higher salary. Then lose €50 mill just to keep him for another year. They’re a selling club. Small club mentality who also is Bayern biggest feeder club. What exactly will they win next year? Bundesliga, CL? Haha, please sit down. 1 German Cup in 8 years says it all really.
Don’t think it was worth it letting Lewa and Götze leave on a free, was it? Playing hardball to keep reputation up? What reputation
Don’t think it was worth it letting Lewa and Götze leave on a free, was it? Playing hardball to keep reputation up? What reputation
Love this. Muppetry at its finest, and I'm on board.
Never understand why fans get mad at other clubs... he's their player. They set their price which is a fair price for a player like Jadon Sancho. Its pretty clear that its pay it or leave it type of situation. Same as we did for Pogba. Talk of them upping his pay and lilely extending his contract if they don't sell him too. I'm sure he wants to come back to the premier league, but why would he be desperate for it or in a rush? Guy is 20. If he sees that United aren't willing to pay whats needed then he might as well stay longer without pushing.It dosen’t make sense for Dortmund to keep him for another year with higher salary. Then lose €50 mill just to keep him for another year. They’re a selling club. Small club mentality who also is Bayern biggest feeder club. What exactly will they win next year? Bundesliga, CL? Haha, please sit down. 1 German Cup in 8 years says it all really.
Don’t think it was worth it letting Lewa and Götze leave on a free, was it? Playing hardball to keep reputation up? What reputation
Why should it be down to the selling club to knock money off? Would you accept say 20m less than Pogbas worth?
He wants to come back to his country this year. Why should they stop it when they’re clearly making a huge profit on him? Just lower the asking price 10-15M and let him make his dream move. I wouldn’t stop him if I were his boss. They got 3 really good seasons from him and a huge profit. Just leave it there and move on. No need to play hardball and milk a few millions.
The market value should be what the market is ready to pay. Otherwise its overvalued. And I can’t see anyone forking out 120 mill? Therefore they set the price too high since we’re the only club interested. Its basic economy.
I think the official term is "daddy daddy want want".
Checked Dortmund's announcements. No new contract was signed. His last contract was signed in 2018.
That's because he didn't sign a new contract.
If I am Glazers, I don't sanction this move with COVID and uncertainty around revenues for some time to come. I'd be surprised if Sancho is a United player by season start.
Agreed. I think it's daft to sanction the spend of that much in a season with so much uncertainty coming up. If COIVD continues to impact the economy Dortmund will get about £50m for Sancho next summer so there's no point in going mental now because they're being dicks.
So the club should just drop their price 15m because the player wants to move but is happy enough to wait it out if it doesnt happen? The player signed a contract. Just like Pogba with united. The club sets the terms of how they leave.
And you're wrong on the market. There's 2 different markets. One where the club doesn't want to sell a player, where they're only sold if their asking price is met. The other where the club wants to sell a player but is dependent on what is being offered. Sancho is very much in the grouping of club doesn't want to sell but will sell if a fair price is offered, and they set the fair price to he €120m (which is fair, all things considered).
In 2017 they sold a 20 year old Dembele to Barca for €105m + €40m in add ons, after Dembele season skipping training and forcing a move. Jadon Sancho is a bigger talent than Dembele was at the time, proved a lot more, and hasn't been forcing a move. So 3 years later, same age and a better player (who isn't forcing a move), they're asking for €25m less. It's pay up or shut up, and that's all there is to it.
Compare it to Dembele in 2017. Same age, Sancho is a bigger talent and has proven more. Dembele was forcing a move and skipping training etc. Dortmund sold him for €105m + €40m. They're allegedly asking for €80m + €40m for Sancho. I'd say thats a fair price all things considered.
You really cannot see how Covid would affect us? Comparing to City/Chelsea with their sugar daddies is like comparing apples to tomatoes, totally different situations.
I think we'll get this done. But if not, Greenwood is looking a beast.
If a club offered us 130m for Pogba i'm sure half the forum would pitch in for a limo to take him to the airport
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