Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

Of course it was!

I don't care. He drank the water he's coming

 

[Adnan]

Ogden saying he thinks United will get Sancho and possibly Bellingham and VdB.

He also says that next season we could see a genuine 4 way battle for the league with Chelsea and United looking set to take advantage due to the current crisis and City's problems with CAS.

 

[kirk buttercup]

Sancho , Bellingham and VdB would be an amazing window

 

[Rozay]

Sancho , Bellingham and VdB would be an amazing window

Would much rather VDB was replaced with a more defensive minded midfielder personally.

 

[Infra-red]

Would much rather VDB was replaced with a more defensive minded midfielder personally.

If those three come in, it can only mean that Pogba is leaving with the net profit from replacing him with VdB (reportedly available for approx £40m), being used to assist in funding the Sancho deal. We can't afford that kind of splurge otherwise, unless we are willing to borrow money and increase the club's indebtedness.

 

[Adnan]

Would much rather VDB was replaced with a more defensive minded midfielder personally.

I agree. I would've preferred we signed someone like Denis Zakaria.

But I'm gonna try and second guess Ole's intentions if we do end up signing VdB. I think he'll potentially give more game time to Jimmy Garner in a deeper role.

And if we do end up signing both Bellingham and VdB then our midfield will look very strong.

Pogba, Fernandes, VdB and then we have two of the best 17 year old mids in Europe in Mejbri and Bellingham if we sign him. Garner and Levitt could also be given more time due to having a much stronger/stable midfield.

 

[kirk buttercup]

Would much rather VDB was replaced with a more defensive minded midfielder personally.

I would like someone like Partey myself for complete balance , but do you not think Fred or McT or Matic could cover the Defensive side of our Midfield or Even Pogba who did it for France? ( albeit with Kante next to him )

 

[AltiUn]

Would much rather VDB was replaced with a more defensive minded midfielder personally.

Agreed, I'm quite happy with our 2 out of 3 midfield spots now, assuming Pogba's sticking around which I think he is. For the final piece I'd very much like a defensive-minded 6, McTominay and Fred serving as rotation options really keeps our midfield depth healthy. We were getting links to Zakaria but sadly they seem to have cooled lately.

 

[macheda14]

If those three come in, it can only mean that Pogba is leaving with the net profit from replacing him with VdB (reportedly available for approx £40m), being used to assist in funding the Sancho deal. We can't afford that kind of splurge otherwise, unless we are willing to borrow money and increase the club's indebtedness.

We’ve taken out 140 mill in credit as well as having 90 million in reserves. So it’s possible for us to spend around 140 mill for both Sancho and VdB

 

[RedDevilRoshi]

Ogden saying he thinks United will get Sancho and possibly Bellingham and VdB.

He also says that next season we could see a genuine 4 way battle for the league with Chelsea and United looking set to take advantage due to the current crisis and City's problems with CAS.

If we kept Pogba as well, then I think we will have a squad well capable of challenging for the title if we did indeed sign those 3.

 

[Infra-red]

We’ve taken out 140 mill in credit as well as having 90 million in reserves. So it’s possible for us to spend around 140 mill for both Sancho and VdB

Yes, as I said above, we can only realistically afford those three deals if we borrow money to do it, or make a big sale.

 

[macheda14]

Yes, as I said above, we can only realistically afford those three deals if we borrow money to do it, or make a big sale.

We’ve borrowed the money. It’s publicised that we took out a line of credit.

 

[Rozay]

If those three come in, it can only mean that Pogba is leaving with the net profit from replacing him with VdB (reportedly available for approx £40m), being used to assist in funding the Sancho deal. We can't afford that kind of splurge otherwise, unless we are willing to borrow money and increase the club's indebtedness.

Yea, I think that would be the most likely scenario. Although I don’t see VDB as being a good enough player to be a regular for us.

I agree. I would've preferred we signed someone like Denis Zakaria.

But I'm gonna try and second guess Ole's intentions if we do end up signing VdB. I think he'll potentially give more game time to Jimmy Garner in a deeper role.

And if we do end up signing both Bellingham and VdB then our midfield will look very strong.

Pogba, Fernandes, VdB and then we have two of the best 17 year old mids in Europe in Mejbri and Bellingham if we sign him. Garner and Levitt could also be given more time due to having a much stronger/stable midfield.

I suspect Garner will be loaned next season, as he should be. Levitt too. I do think VDB would make great cover for Pogba and Fernandes, just not that hifh on the priority scale. Bellingham is a must for me, he looks special, and a natural long-term Pogba replace

I would like someone like Partey myself for complete balance , but do you not think Fred or McT or Matic could cover the Defensive side of our Midfield or Even Pogba who did it for France? ( albeit with Kante next to him )

I think they could make a decent fist of it, but the only real specialist defensive midfielder is Matic, who is physically declining and often injured. And I think a specialist defensive midfielder, particularly a high energy one, is needed if the other two are Pogba and Bruno. Pogba I think, contrary to popular opinion, can indeed operate in this capacity alongside one of them - the question for me is would you want him to? I’ve always felt he’s been played deeper simply because managers have wanted his ball abilities deeper as there has been nobody else they trust collecting it from the defence and starting things off. Ideally, even the Pogba you speak of who played for France in the World Cup is not the optimum version of him I don’t think. You want him to pick the ball up in areas where his next pass can hurt teams, or you want him beating one or two players to open things up. Asking him to sit back can work, but you could just as easily get half the player to do that.

Agreed, I'm quite happy with our 2 out of 3 midfield spots now, assuming Pogba's sticking around which I think he is. For the final piece I'd very much like a defensive-minded 6, McTominay and Fred serving as rotation options really keeps our midfield depth healthy. We were getting links to Zakaria but sadly they seem to have cooled lately.

Zakaria hasn’t played since February I think after picking up a serious injury, so that is probably why there have been few links. I agree that he’d have been a good option, at probably an affordable price too. For a good price I’d even take Declan Rice. I lnow his Redcafe stock is quite low at the moment, but I think he’s the type of ‘limited player’ we could use to balance Bruno and Pogba. He’s an expert in patrolling the defensive area of the midfield, and not much else. That’s what we need.

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

I'd be absolutely made up of we were to get two fanatstic young English talents in Sancho and Bellingham.

Sir Alex, where he could, always tried to have a strong core of English players. We seem to be going that under Ole.

 

[passing-wind]

Sancho , Bellingham and VdB would be an amazing window

It's almost the perfect scenario given the circumstances and that's with or without Pogba. I'd imagine however that Bellingham will be loaned out.

 

[TheHeya]

Gotta love transfer season... where we turn into Front Runners FC, Leading the Chase FC and my personal favourite Preparing a Bid FC.

 

[SSSSnake]

I really don’t know why I invest so much time into these rumours. Each day it’s “Utd are preparing a bid” or “We are winning the race”.

Anyways I hope it comes off but guarantee we don’t see any significant moves until August.

 

[jymufc20]

Gotta love transfer season... where we turn into Front Runners FC, Leading the Chase FC and my personal favourite Preparing a Bid FC.

You forgot 48 hours FC.

 

[Svartzonker]

I really don’t know why I invest so much time into these rumours. Each day it’s “Utd are preparing a bid” or “We are winning the race”.

Don’t forget Monitoring the situation FC.

 

[Judas]

He's shit anyway FC

 

[Salt Bailly]

Nothing On Chilevisión CF

 

[Infra-red]

We’ve borrowed the money. It’s publicised that we took out a line of credit.

We did. But that doesn't mean we're necessarily going to spend it!

 

[Moiraine]

Fax Machine FC

 

[Vault Dweller]

Still think its pretty obvious we'll get him personally. It's just not happening till at least after the German season is over which should surprise no one. People are so inpatient. This is the biggest deal of the summer in world football most likely.

Agreed bro.

 

[VP89]

Ogden saying he thinks United will get Sancho and possibly Bellingham and VdB.

He also says that next season we could see a genuine 4 way battle for the league with Chelsea and United looking set to take advantage due to the current crisis and City's problems with CAS.

Just breaking this down because he's literally said nothing of substance in this video.

Bellingham : He just reckons with United it boils down to how much they'll be willing to pay for him, if they are willing to pay a bigger fee and Dortmund/Arsenal don't then United can get it over the line. Hypotheticals
VdB: Only dropped his name in passing when dismissing James - he said something like "United have Bruno, Pogba, they're looking at VdB at Ajax and they have Mata on top". Immaterial statement to be honest.
Sancho: Don't even him mentioning Sancho much, and it's probably a bunch of hypotheticals or immaterials like above.

 

[Adnan]

Just breaking this down because he's literally said nothing of substance in this video.

Bellingham : He just reckons with United it boils down to how much they'll pay for him, if they are willing to pay a bigger fee and Dortmund/Arsenal don't then United can get it over the line. Hypotheticals
VdB: Only dropped his name in passing when dismissing James - he said something like "United have Bruno, Pogba, they're looking at VdB at Ajax and they have Mata on top". Immaterial statement to be honest.
Sancho: Don't even him mentioning Sancho much, and it's probably a bunch of hypotheticals or immaterials like above.

He wrote a article too which I posted.

 

[LuckyScout78]

Maybe the last puzzle missing. I would be really satisfy as a manager have a line up like this.

Sancho - McTominay- Pogba - Martial as LW against weaker team. Against Liverpoo, City or top teams. Then you Rashford suit better as LW because of his defensiv and tracking back ability. You need Martial one on one skills against parking bus teams.

And Bruno as a free nr.10 behind Rashford, Martial or Greenwood.

Those 6 players combine and on the starting line up. On paper is a quarantine of top 4 the next 5 years to come.

A central spine with Maguire if he hits the best level as CB, McTominay as CM, Bruno as a free cam and Rashford as CF. Is a really strong and good central spine. Adding with Sancho, Martial, United full backs and if Pogba stay for long. A really good and strong team in the making. Its clearly RW is the position United can strength most and improve most.

If Sancho stay with Dortmund for another season or pick another team. Then another really good option is Federico Chiesa. Same hard working ability, aggressive as Rashford, McTom, Bruno. And still has really fast acceleration, skills and football understanding and vision.
Ideally both of Sancho and Chiesa. So you place Chiesa as LW and move Rashford back as CF. Then United d need to look after a new CF. Having teammates like Sancho, Bruno, Martial and Pogba. Rashford will be able to score 20+ goals in the years to come. Teammates like those will make it easy to play CF for United. They are skillful and creative, on a really high level.

So sum up. You don’t need a top coach or football expert to see it. What will happen if United get both of Sancho and Chiesa. Ideally. No many better CF out there. Are better than Rashford. Why look after a new CF?Bruno play as a free nr.10 behind the CF. Then United will only use one CF most of the time. With two wingers. And Chiesa is versatile. With both Sancho and Chiesa it will give United more other alternative, more quality depth in the squad and nearly double up in each positions.
So i like them both and enjoying watching them playing. Both of Sancho and Chiesa. Chiesa will does a lot better with Bruno and United current teammates then a struggling Fiorentina team. The level of Fiorentina and United are lot of different. One or two swans in a team can’t do anything. Football is a team game. You need top level teammates. Like Liverpool are having now. I think United are not far away. A top or 2 quality wingers will definitely help to close the gap. Good luck on chasing a new top quality RW and new players.

 

[Red Company]

Ogden saying he thinks United will get Sancho and possibly Bellingham and VdB.

He also says that next season we could see a genuine 4 way battle for the league with Chelsea and United looking set to take advantage due to the current crisis and City's problems with CAS.

I know Ogden is reliable when it comes to united updates but how much do you trust these recent claims of his?

Don’t you think it’s a bit tough to end up signing Sancho, Bellingham & VdB in the same window?

 

[theklr]

I know Ogden is reliable when it comes to united updates but how much do you trust these recent claims of his?

Don’t you think it’s a bit tough to end up signing Sancho, Bellingham & VdB in the same window?

If they get the lot for say £160 million, its not like it is their biggest transfer window to date as far as I know.

And it they are truly sincere about getting United back to where they belong it is really just what they need to do.

Just look at how Chelsea is spending, and they are even above us in the table. Cant afford to be left behind. Especially when it seems like City and L’pool isnt splashing much cash this summer.

That beeing said I’d think most of us would be more than happy if they got just Sancho. The other two are just icing on the cake.

 

[Samid]

 

[cyberman]

Of course he does. The fact this was even argued against was false hope from Chelsea fans (in the main)

 

[MDFC Manager]

I know Ogden is reliable when it comes to united updates but how much do you trust these recent claims of his?

Ogden hasn't been reliable for United news since the Moyesian times

 

[RUCK4444]

Ogden hasn't been reliable for United news since the Moyesian times

Ogden couldn’t reliably tell us how many balls his scrotum contains. Feckin fraud with the rest of them.

He’s Mourinho’s pet.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

If they get the lot for say £160 million, its not like it is their biggest transfer window to date as far as I know.

And it they are truly sincere about getting United back to where they belong it is really just what they need to do.

Just look at how Chelsea is spending, and they are even above us in the table. Cant afford to be left behind. Especially when it seems like City and L’pool isnt splashing much cash this summer.

That beeing said I’d think most of us would be more than happy if they got just Sancho. The other two are just icing on the cake.

Chelsea haven't spent any money for 2 years because of the ban. They also got 100m for Hazard in that time frame and another 45m for Morata.

You can't compare their spending to ours this summer mate. They will be the biggest movers for the reasons listed above. You got to remember we have bought Maguire, AWB, James n Bruno whilst they have bought nobody.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

Seems like the current status on Sancho is that they have a price and we must meet up. Pretty much what happens with most big player signings. We're doing the usual thing where we offer less. Difference is nobody is sure if this is just the usual offer less but pay the quoted price in the end or offer less because that's what we can afford due to the current situation

 

[RUCK4444]

Seems like the current status on Sancho is that they have a price and we must meet up. Pretty much what happens with most big player signings. We're doing the usual thing where we offer less. Difference is nobody is sure if this is just the usual offer less but pay the quoted price in the end or offer less because that's what we can afford due to the current situation

Pretty Much, I think we should perhaps sign a lesser name player like VDB and test Dortmunds resolve.

If they think we are starting to spend our budget elsewhere they may panic and agree to a deal that suits us.

That said we should NOT risk losing out on this signing. It's one that will give us a boost in so many ways, aside from the fact that our right wing has been abandoned for years and crying out for a player like him.

Even if we stagger the payments out (like most transfers) let's just get to a happy medium on the figure and get it done.

 

[theklr]

Chelsea haven't spent any money for 2 years because of the ban. They also got 100m for Hazard in that time frame and another 45m for Morata.

You can't compare their spending to ours this summer mate. They will be the biggest movers for the reasons listed above. You got to remember we have bought Maguire, AWB, James n Bruno whilst they have bought nobody.

Ahh yeah, thats a good point.
Even more concerning that they are currently above us then...

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

Pretty Much, I think we should perhaps sign a lesser name player like VDB and test Dortmunds resolve.

If they think we are starting to spend our budget elsewhere they may panic and agree to a deal that suits us.

That said we should NOT risk losing out on this signing. It's one that will give us a boost in so many ways, aside from the fact that our right wing has been abandoned for years and crying out for a player like him.

Even if we stagger the payments out (like most transfers) let's just get to a happy medium on the figure and get it done.

I dont know why they would panic unless they think we are the only suitors for Sancho even if he stays one more year. But when I think about it this might be Dortmunds best chance to get him for a good price. If they don't sell Sancho now then by the next season he would have 6 months left on his contract. No team would want to spend big amounts on a player with 6 months left. So this window may be their best chance.

 

[Sassy Colin]

Stop fretting, we're bot buying him.

 

[crossy1686]

Atheltic said today that United have made Sancho their number 1 transfer target this summer but have others lined up just in case they can't land him.

Also said VDB isn't a likely transfer, they suspect Grealish would be signed before VDB according to their sources. Said Van Der Sar's comments in the press the other day were comments of a man trying to get a bidding war going, not much in it otherwise.