We should try using this reverse psychology on Ed..."i don't think ha has the balls to put in a bid of 120million Euro's....he's too chicken to spend that much money...etc - just spam his mailbox with that sort of stuff and I bet he would react.
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Smalling and who else? I'd say most of them have earned new 5 year contracts after besting Brighton's second string last night.
Thought so too mate. That extra money could go to Sancho's deal. Perhaps we have told BVB via the middlemen to wait, perhaps we haven't. Just feel there will one final bid incoming soon
If they get what they've been asking for or if they get less, with Sancho kicking up a fuss I don't think they do to be honest.
We may well end up paying €120M but on our terms and not theirs i.e: In installments....Eds gamble may well pull off.
It's no coincidence that Sancho goes sick the day we apparently may or may not have put a bid in
Personally think they do it because it's so easy to trigger Man Utd fans nowadays as the club has dropped in such an extreme way with a mediocre manager yet loads of money but still not being able to get Sancho
A few more to clear off the wage books. Romero, Dalot, Rojo. Also Newcastle being interested in Jones? Pereira has gone too isn’t he?
"Club has dropped in an extreme way with a mediocre manager"
"Supports Shalke"
Pot meet Kettle
Posts like this always make me wonder.. To what extend do you think this argument is valid? United has their valuation and willingness to pay for Sancho, BVB has their own valuation and willingness to sell for. If there is 18m between those two (who knows at this stage), United should just cough up. What if there were 20m? that's only a little more than 18m, following your reasoning United should surely pay the additional 2m. 25m? 30m?
United will have a maximum in mind they can/are willing to pay for Sancho. That maximum will be based on financial position and an expectation of what Sancho will bring on and off the pitch. If that is not enough, the best thing to do is stick to your valuation, instead of follow your emotions and cough up the difference. That is how companies go bust in the long run.
I have to say I find it weird. Milan have dropped probably even more than Utd but you won't find Utd fans speaking in favour of Liverpool or City if they and Milan were involved in such a situation, just so we could trigger some random Milan fans on the internet.
Essentially you are saying most German posters are just here with the purpose to act like trolls.
There should not be animosity between football supporters to that regard. Debates and disagreements are fine but I suppose the curse of a giant club is you will get a large slice of adult grown children. These sad fans get aggressive and confrontational if they hear what they don't like, so they're best ignored.
Note to self: Next summer don't bother with the transfer window until the last week. Save yourself the constant BS from ego maniac journalists.
I personally think they do it because they have too much sand and few do it for attention seeking.
To a certain extent that might be the case for some, yea. Others just want to be controversial. Some others just have an inferiority complex. So please, don't judge every German poster by these standards as there is no German Defence League or the likes. They do it for different reasons and therefor posters here should be judged differently. I personally hate to be associated with their attitude just because we share nationality.
Fair enough mate.
You're still buying this nonsense!
The only clear thing in this shitshow is that Dortmund's valuation of Sancho is final. They're not selling for anything less than €120M.
I doubt United will cough up that much in this economic climate. If we pay €120M, we will look like complete fools for wasting two months for our ineptitude. If we do not pay that sum, Dortmund will not sell, and we will look like bigger fools for not having a clear backup plan. And we will be the biggest fools if United offer to pay €120M on deadline day, and yet Dortmund refuse to sell because their earlier announced 'transfer-deadline' already passed.
That really isn’t clear. Thats what they’re saying but until the window shuts or we pay that price, it’s only their negotiating position.
Like I said a day or two ago, if they want 120m it’s because they need the money. If our final bid in the last hour of the window was 119m, I’m certain they would accept it and if they would accept 119m they’d likely accept 118m... and so on. There’s definitely a point where they would say no and it’s up to us to find that point. I don’t believe for a second that that point is the 120m they’ve advertised him at.
So there is no way that the club can look anything but fools? Gotcha.
From Constantin Eckner in the video:
- Jadon is not happy but he's not going on strike so it's not something that can cause an issue with the club, especially at this stage of the window where there's only a couple days they need to hold out for.
- The reputation argument works both ways. Dortmund have remained firm so it won't look good for a 180 spin for anything less than what they publicly briefed the price to be.
- If the deal was to occur then it has to be in the ball park of 120m.
- 98-100m EUR (Give or take from the conversion rate) is where United are currently at.
- Sancho's agent and Dortmund have a good relationship so it's not like he's trying to force the player out for the sake of ££. He's brought teenagers to Dortmund himself.
- Dortmund aren't happy with how United ignored the price & the deadline. They feel they were not taken seriously - although it was not a legal deadline, it was one the club requested to have time to plan for replacements.
- RB Leipzig were also confused by the club this window - United came to make an offer below Upamecano's buyout clause (taking into effect next year). They obviously rejected this and wondered why the club is trying to low-ball them.
- Eckner said Sporting Directors tend to have ego's and pride, they don't like to be put down in their reputation and status by Manchester United with such unserious offers. Eckner believes such people were insulted by the waste of time approach.
- Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal were all clubs who had Upamecano on their radar. He expects United to return for the player next summer.
- Eckner believes an agreement for Sancho & Manchester United can also be reached for joining the following season. He says this has not been ruled this out but obviously Sancho & United would prefer for now.
- Halaand's clause is active next year so a double exit of Sancho/Halaand in one season can be tricky for Dortmund. Eckner confirmed the clause for Haaland is "lower than you think" relative to the player's worth. Eckner believes from his conversation with the player/the training ground vibe, that Haaland may prefer staying for another year though.
- Jadon's situation is different, he feels more comfortable in England so now's a great time for him.
- Jadon is not happy but he's not going on strike so it's not something that can cause an issue with the club, especially at this stage of the window where there's only a couple days they need to hold out for.
- The reputation argument works both ways. Dortmund have remained firm so it won't look good for a 180 spin for anything less than what they publicly briefed the price to be.
- If the deal was to occur then it has to be in the ball park of 120m.
- 98-100m EUR (Give or take from the conversion rate) is where United are currently at.
- Sancho's agent and Dortmund have a good relationship so it's not like he's trying to force the player out for the sake of ££. He's brought teenagers to Dortmund himself.
- Dortmund aren't happy with how United ignored the price & the deadline. They feel they were not taken seriously - although it was not a legal deadline, it was one the club requested to have time to plan for replacements.
- RB Leipzig were also confused by the club this window - United came to make an offer below Upamecano's buyout clause (taking into effect next year). They obviously rejected this and wondered why the club is trying to low-ball them.
- Eckner said Sporting Directors tend to have ego's and pride, they don't like to be put down in their reputation and status by Manchester United with such unserious offers. Eckner believes such people were insulted by the waste of time approach.
- Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal were all clubs who had Upamecano on their radar. He expects United to return for the player next summer.
- Eckner believes an agreement for Sancho & Manchester United can also be reached for joining the following season. He says this has not been ruled this out but obviously Sancho & United would prefer for now.
- Halaand's clause is active next year so a double exit of Sancho/Halaand in one season can be tricky for Dortmund. Eckner confirmed the clause for Haaland is "lower than you think" relative to the player's worth. Eckner believes from his conversation with the player/the training ground vibe, that Haaland may prefer staying for another year though.
- Jadon's situation is different, he feels more comfortable in England so now's a great time for him.
Pretty much, the only saving grace Ed has is if they get him for a lower price
No way will anybody pay a single penny for Jones (because he is always injured). Same for Pereira (because of his high wages).
The biggest way to look like a fool, is to go in with the full asking price as the first bid. Especially when you consider that by all accounts, we have no competition for the player this window.
They may accept €110m, they may accept €120m in installments, they may not accept €120m up front at this stage. Nobody knows!
Dortmund have set their stall at 120m. If they then change their minds and say even more then obviously we walk away.
if it's a case of us missing out on the player because we refuse to reach their evaluation (but getting very close) then that's just petty. My point was our bid and their price isn't a million miles away, somebody has to give in and I expect that to be us.
I don't mean to piss on everyone's parade but there is no way Ed and Judge will conclude a deal worth potentially 120meur in 5 days. Such is their incompetence I am surprised people are still discussing this. The club hirearchy from top to bottom is rotten to the core. Utd scrambling around a few days before the window shuts trying to bring people/let people go. There is no organization at the club, there is no planning at the club. It's another transfer window cluster feck. Where is our CB? Where is our RW? Where is another striker to compete and offer cover?
As usual Utd will retreat back into the lair and cite economical uncertainty as being the reason, maybe we will even get a brief about a director of football and the club is committed to on the pitch success. The violins will come out, maybe some rose petals outside the office of Woodward and Judge, maybe Ed will treat us to a loan signing on deadline day to help appease the fans. Next will come the announcement of a new contract for Lingard, citing that he has turned the corner and it is like a new signing. However the Utd fans are not believing in this crap anymore. Glazers stop taking money out of our club and get the feck out of Manchester, and get rid of this skunk faced parasite that is sitting in the CEO chair.
As usual Utd will retreat back into the lair and cite economical uncertainty as being the reason, maybe we will even get a brief about a director of football and the club is committed to on the pitch success. The violins will come out, maybe some rose petals outside the office of Woodward and Judge, maybe Ed will treat us to a loan signing on deadline day to help appease the fans. Next will come the announcement of a new contract for Lingard, citing that he has turned the corner and it is like a new signing. However the Utd fans are not believing in this crap anymore. Glazers stop taking money out of our club and get the feck out of Manchester, and get rid of this skunk faced parasite that is sitting in the CEO chair.
They are very proud of their Bayernsliga.
Of course they can
People get deals done in hours if they put their mind to it, don't fall for the PR spin.
Listening to the interviews with Sascha Klaverkamp and Constantin Eckner you start to see how, if what they say is to be believed, the Sancho saga has gone south.
Both, in different ways, implied that Dortmund's executives have been angered by United's attitude. Both reported that Dortmund heads feel they have not been taken seriously and disrespected. In a way that was, for me, uncomfortably close to the kind of stuff we have heard recently from Rio and Evra about how United treat people. Eckner especially made the point that there are egos involved and that people at Dortmund feel like, having been talked down to, they do not want to deal with United.
For me it suggests that with a slightly different approach this could have gone differently. Maybe this is where Evra's comment about sending lawyers to talk to football people is really having an affect? Maybe what was needed here was United taking the lead, buttering Dortmund up a bit man to man? Your laywers are not paid to make nice with the people they are negotiating with on your behalf. They're not likely to go in and schmooze. I'm not going to start talking about a Director of Football. However, there needs to be someone who lays the groundwork on this stuff.
Both, in different ways, implied that Dortmund's executives have been angered by United's attitude. Both reported that Dortmund heads feel they have not been taken seriously and disrespected. In a way that was, for me, uncomfortably close to the kind of stuff we have heard recently from Rio and Evra about how United treat people. Eckner especially made the point that there are egos involved and that people at Dortmund feel like, having been talked down to, they do not want to deal with United.
For me it suggests that with a slightly different approach this could have gone differently. Maybe this is where Evra's comment about sending lawyers to talk to football people is really having an affect? Maybe what was needed here was United taking the lead, buttering Dortmund up a bit man to man? Your laywers are not paid to make nice with the people they are negotiating with on your behalf. They're not likely to go in and schmooze. I'm not going to start talking about a Director of Football. However, there needs to be someone who lays the groundwork on this stuff.
yes very good point. We are good at pissing people off
They could do it in a matter of minutes. Player and agent terms are agreed, a lot of club terms are probably agreed. Transfer contracts are reasonably standard and we have already dealt with them before, we may already have drawn up a draft with them. It's just a case of putting in the right number and any additional terms.
All that's assuming they would tell us what stage things are at, which they wouldn't. The deal could already be done for all we know.
Surely we will have to have some news tonight if we are to sign him? Only 5 days left.
Do we think he'll do his medical in England or in Germany?
Great Post. You feel like a Fergie charm offensive in years gone by would have laid the groundwork for more amicable discussions than a team of lawyers would. Fergie would have taken one of his good bottles of wine
England, as we have a whole year to get it pencilled in for.Do we think he'll do his medical in England or in Germany?
Sweet, not long now so.
Dortmund aren’t happy that we didn’t pay their demands on their arbitrary deadline? Boo fecking hoo. The transfer window shuts on 5th October and clubs are free to negotiate until that point. It’s the height of arrogance to suggest otherwise.
8-0 million plus addons should do it.
Fair point. I share nationality with some idiots too, just here in the UK instead.
Great post.
I think Ed is getting very well paid for taking the brunt of the criticism, but I can imagine he is under strict instructions from the Board/owners to not pay over a certain amount for a player unless he can produce an excellent case for the financial investment. So for instance if he could pay £150m for Neymar, it probably would be approved because of the increased commercial revenues . But Sancho is a good footballing transfer, not someone who will seriously move the commercial income column, at least not for some years yet. This is far harder to sell to non-footballing owners. Pogba apparently ticked both boxes as far as the owners were concerned so a big expenditure was readily agreed. In the covid year, this just gets harder to convince to pay over a limit, which I guess is 100mEuro.
At the same time Dortmund's business model relies on them being hard negotiators as they need everyone to realise they have excellent talent but it comes at a top price. They cannot afford to be seen to back down.
My guess for what its worth is that Ed will find it just as difficult next year, paradoxically the only way he will be able to persuade the owners to pay more is if other clubs are prepared to slug it out for the transfer, this 'proves' value to the owners. As it is this year United are the only ones prepared to pay 100mEuro so the owners have no indication from the market that the guy is worth this nevermind more.
Sancho is good, but its a pretty poor indicator of market talent if he is the only RW worth buying, maybe GN is right, United are really just awful at this.
At the same time Dortmund's business model relies on them being hard negotiators as they need everyone to realise they have excellent talent but it comes at a top price. They cannot afford to be seen to back down.
My guess for what its worth is that Ed will find it just as difficult next year, paradoxically the only way he will be able to persuade the owners to pay more is if other clubs are prepared to slug it out for the transfer, this 'proves' value to the owners. As it is this year United are the only ones prepared to pay 100mEuro so the owners have no indication from the market that the guy is worth this nevermind more.
Sancho is good, but its a pretty poor indicator of market talent if he is the only RW worth buying, maybe GN is right, United are really just awful at this.
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