People should cut Ed some slack, he’s even selling his massive house to part-finance the deal. That’s a fantastic commitment to the club!
Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now
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Maybe there is something in us not bidding until after 1 Oct so it doesn't show in next figures,however still don't see it happening for anything less than £108m
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For his debut against spurs, I think he’ll probably start left wing with greenwood on right and martial up front. Rashford will be rested as he’s looked out of sorts. I’m confident Sancho will score on his debut!
I certainly think Liverpool will be in the market for a big signing, PSG will look to replace Mbappe as he's desperate to leave, Chelsea have shown a willingness to invest heavily and were previously interested. This summer is our best chance by far.
Do your maths including FFP before making such bullish predictions.
So Caf is ON again? 
Happens every Thursday / Friday, briefs that "next week is big". I just take it as media talk rather than anything concrete now.
The foolish ones are the ones who conceded it was off!So Caf is ON again?
Some of us have never been OFF.So Caf is ON again?
chances of deals happening on a weekend?
Quick question, if woodward actually signed Sancho and say Telles both for lower prices than has been quoted (say 75+add ons & 20 +add ons) would that justify to people his tactics in negotiating the deals?
I.e. would you give credit where its due?
I.e. would you give credit where its due?
Yes
Nah because it means we’ve missed out on 2 months if him settling with the team.
he’s getting out of town before the no value in the market party.
Yes. That would be great business.
As a fan us doing some berry berry shrewd savings of a few millions means diddly squat to me when its impacted results on the pitch. Rather have just paid the price and not lost to Palace.
So easy to say when it’s not your money or you have zero financial or career equity in those decisions.
We are just fans, many of us (like me) who don’t contribute even a dollar to the clubs finances.
I would wash Ed’s Rolls every Sunday if that was the case.
And you can print that.
Was the “berry berry” supposed to be a Roy Hodgson homage?
Yeah, if we sign Sancho for 75 million + add ons, then he deserves all the credit.
Yes, he would earn my respect definitely.
It's not an easy job, his - he has to please the supporters, the English press which are very demanding from a football front and at the same time keep the investor community, sponsors happy
Partly from today's Athletic article on that 65m clause
In the small print of File Number 001-35627 lodged at the US Securities and Exchange Commission is a clause that does, on the face of it, in these straitened times, threaten to have some bearing on Manchester United’s approach to signing players.
The document explains the fundamentals of United’s finances and, for those who know where to look, spells out the extra insurance that lenders have over the club’s debt repayment. United owe £175 million on a loan from BofA Securities (formerly known as Bank of America Merrill Lynch) and have £330.8 million outstanding on “senior secured notes” — effectively bonds to investors. The half-a-billion-pound deficit is a legacy to the Glazer family’s leveraged buyout.
To obtain that money at modest interest rates, United agreed a specific caveat with lenders. According to this “covenant”, the club’s profit must not dip below £65 million in a rolling 12-month period, as taken every quarter. EBITDA stands for “earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortisation”.
So every three months, when United announce their accounts to investors, the total for the previous year needs to be at least £65 million, or the banks have a legal right to act.
Think of it as football’s spin-off to Speed, the 1994 blockbuster. Except, it is Ole Gunnar Solskjaer at the wheel of the bus rather than Sandra Bullock and the consequence for failure to stay above 50mph is not as explosive.
In the small print of File Number 001-35627 lodged at the US Securities and Exchange Commission is a clause that does, on the face of it, in these straitened times, threaten to have some bearing on Manchester United’s approach to signing players.
The document explains the fundamentals of United’s finances and, for those who know where to look, spells out the extra insurance that lenders have over the club’s debt repayment. United owe £175 million on a loan from BofA Securities (formerly known as Bank of America Merrill Lynch) and have £330.8 million outstanding on “senior secured notes” — effectively bonds to investors. The half-a-billion-pound deficit is a legacy to the Glazer family’s leveraged buyout.
To obtain that money at modest interest rates, United agreed a specific caveat with lenders. According to this “covenant”, the club’s profit must not dip below £65 million in a rolling 12-month period, as taken every quarter. EBITDA stands for “earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortisation”.
So every three months, when United announce their accounts to investors, the total for the previous year needs to be at least £65 million, or the banks have a legal right to act.
Think of it as football’s spin-off to Speed, the 1994 blockbuster. Except, it is Ole Gunnar Solskjaer at the wheel of the bus rather than Sandra Bullock and the consequence for failure to stay above 50mph is not as explosive.
Is that a euphemism for his testicles?
Oh yeah FFP, that thing which is being taken so seriously following the example that was made of City last year. Probably also why Chelsea have barely invested this summer..Do your maths including FFP before making such bullish predictions.
It's like receiving a "ok u?" text from a worldie who's been ingoring your messages since monday - of course it means the shag is back on the cards.So Caf is ON again?
I would absolutely give credit for Ed’s negotiation tactics. But I absolutely don’t expect that to happen. I fully expect us to pay virtually the asking price for both players.
Ah! I was wondering what that clause mentioned was about... thanks for this!
If that happened, I would be here gloating about Ed Woodward... But I do not think that will happen, I see it going the other way.
Does that mean he shouldn’t do all he can to negotiate, especially on such huge sums?
I fully expect us to sign neither with someone else signing Telles for 25m and Sancho staying in Dortmund - I don't think we'll fold this time. We're going down with the ship that is the false economy of player value that Ed and Judge have created.
Agreed but its interesting to see that some would change their opinion and it speaks to the fickle nature of being a fan I guess
I'd much rather we had secured his signature weeks ago, but we will get this over the line so from that point of view we will have got the player the manager wanted. But my word, those who sort our transfer leave a hell of a lot to be desired.
We were never signing him before Europa was done and our team has been together for 1-3 weeks depending on player. He's had more chance than our lads to get fit. They've looked after him and prepared him for us.
End of the day the fans only want the best players for the club - much of the outrage comes from both inactivity and our unrealistic valuations. Not to mention the fact that whilst generating huge revenues we fail to adequately invest in the squad well into the start of the season despite its obvious deficiencies - seems fair to me.
Because Dortmund put an asking price with a deadline of August 10th that was pretty well known for a while. He has 3 years on his contract, he's going to go for a lot whether it is this summer or next so for them, they don't see it as a rush if its not on their terms (plus with the player not pushing to leave).
Exactly.
Does Sancho prefer the left or right? Greenwood is strong on either side when shooting so I doubt he cares much. I think the only reason he is alway son the right is due to Rashford preferring the left and being stronger on the left. Rashford has not impressed much when playing on the right. When Sanchez was signed he was pushed to the right along with Martial.
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