Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now

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BaillyBaillyBailly said:
This. I don't understand how the other bigger clubs wrap up their deals days after the window opens or sometimes even before (Werner, Ziyech, Ake, Torres etc) and yet united take forever. Take for example Havertz at Chelsea. Yes that took longer than the above mentioned deals, but there was no saga, it dragged on a couple of weeks and then was signed, Havertz was in training and able to start the first game of the season. Surely United knew the asking price for Sancho before this window opened, they also must have known what they are willing to pay so what is the point in dragging it out for months only to get fleeced in October for a player who has no pre-season with the team and comes into a squad 3/4 games into its season, all for the same price as you could have had him at the start of August? Makes absolutely no business sense.
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This is because we are run by idiots, we dragged on the Bruno transfer to Jan and it almost cost us CPL football. We have no squad depth, an injury to one of our front three, our next options are Ighalo, James, Lingard. Whereas Liverpool have Jota, Minamino, Origi, Shaquire etc, Chelsea have Mount, Giroud, Barkely, Spurs have Moura, Delle, Bergwuin etc and dont get me started on City.

Its obvious we have no depth in attack and if cost us Fa-cup and Europa league, We had nobody on the bench to change the game or bring on new legs when we were completely shattered. If at the end of the window we have the same depth i can see us struggling this season as the schedule this season, requires at least 18 competent first team players without effecting the quality of starting 11 by not soo much. Otherwise play Youth teams and go out of League cup or Fa-cup from initial rounds till the end.
 
TheLord said:
I think the ship sailed one or two weeks back. The Bundesliga season has already started. And Bayern thrashing Schalke 8-0 in the first match was probably the final nail in the coffin preventing Dortmund from selling their most important asset now.
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They already brought in what I thought would be their replacement in Reinier, that was why they brought him in. They also have Gio Reyna who looks brilliant from the handful of games I've seen him play in. Honestly, I think they will sell but only when their asking price is offered and United will come out of it looking like idiots once again.

We can't keeping playing this card of "we're not accepting clubs increasing the price of their players just because we're united" and then going ahead and paying their increased prices.
 
Fahad Jawaid said:
This is because we are run by idiots, we dragged on the Bruno transfer to Jan and it almost cost us CPL football. We have no squad depth, an injury to one of our front three, our next options are Ighalo, James, Lingard. Whereas Liverpool have Jota, Minamino, Origi, Shaquire etc, Chelsea have Mount, Giroud, Barkely, Spurs have Moura, Delle, Bergwuin etc and dont get me started on City.

Its obvious we have no depth in attack and if cost us Fa-cup and Europa league, We had nobody on the bench to change the game or bring on new legs when we were completely shattered. If at the end of the window we have the same depth i can see us struggling this season as the schedule this season, requires at least 18 competent first team players without effecting the quality of starting 11 by not soo much. Otherwise play Youth teams and go out of League cup or Fa-cup from initial rounds till the end.
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I hope we do bomb out of FA and League cup ASAP this year actually. Winning either isn't even anything to be lauded nowadays. I'd rather guarantee top 4 and reach a CL quarter final than win the FA cup and finish 5th and bomb out of CL in RO16.
 
Such a roller-coaster of a transfer window.

If we end up signing Sancho, it could be one of the best transfer window post fergie that pushes us to the next level.
If we don't, the entire mood around the club, stadium, fans will be toxic throughout the season.

Woodward and Glazers should have known that everyone would have been happy if we signed Sancho and no one else. The likes of VDB and Telles or another LB would be the icing on the cake and not the cake themselves.
Now, they are in an awkward situation for delaying Sancho signing to the end of the transfer window. Everyone else has strengthened their already strong streams DESPITE COVID. They have piled this needless pressure on themselves.

The Sneijder, Hazard, Moura, Pogba sagas didn't put me on the boils as much as this one.
 
Skeezix said:
Such a roller-coaster of a transfer window.

If we end up signing Sancho, it could be one of the best transfer window post fergie that pushes us to the next level.
If we don't, the entire mood around the club, stadium, fans will be toxic throughout the season.

Woodward and Glazers should have known that everyone would have been happy if we signed Sancho and no one else. The likes of VDB and Telles or another LB would be the icing on the cake and not the cake themselves.
Now, they are in an awkward situation for delaying Sancho signing to the end of the transfer window. Everyone else has strengthened their already strong streams DESPITE COVID. They have piled this needless pressure on themselves.

The Sneijder, Hazard, Moura, Pogba sagas didn't put me on the boils as much as this one.
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It's been a highly annoying saga for sure, the biggest gripe has been how far the club has fallen and as other clubs spend big United seem to be standing back.

Even Liverpool who are apparently poor now have 3 signings meaning they can push on all fronts.
 
TheNewEra said:
It's been a highly annoying saga for sure, the biggest gripe has been how far the club has fallen and as other clubs spend big United seem to be standing back.

Even Liverpool who are apparently poor now have 3 signings meaning they can push on all fronts.
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Even if we sign Sancho, Liverpool and city are far ahead of us and they continue to bring in reinforcements. Under ed and the glazers we will always be playing catch up because I don't see city or Liverpool slowing down anytime soon.
 
ravi2 said:
Even if we sign Sancho, Liverpool and city are far ahead of us and they continue to bring in reinforcements. Under ed and the glazers we will always be playing catch up because I don't see city or Liverpool slowing down anytime soon.
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I agree with you, but as Sir Alex once said 'football works in cycles'.

Meaning eventually the Liverpool squad will age (they are 28-29 now, including Thiago), of course Jota isn't and a few aren't.

City also have an aging squad, United have a very young squad.

Chelsea are the only real competitors in terms of longevity when it comes to squads.

Liverpool will need to replenish their entire squad in a few years, Guadiola will be out the door onto a new project with people like KDB leave, and United will have a team thats been together for years who will compete.

For Comparisons sake look at Rooney and Ronaldo, they were both around 22-23 when United won the CL in '08, that team was capable of competing for a further decade.

United had talent, experience and genuine world class players, SAF was great at moving out a player and bringing in a new one to bed into the squad.

Liverpool and City now have a squad that has 2-3 years left and then need an entire team replacing, of course they are still the benchmark of Modern Football but currently the only really 'old players' in the United team now are Pogba (27) and Maguire (27) but it's a very young team.

If Liverpool had a similar aged team I'd be really worried, Klopp bought players all around 25 so it didn't take as long to get up and running.
 
TheNewEra said:
It's been a highly annoying saga for sure, the biggest gripe has been how far the club has fallen and as other clubs spend big United seem to be standing back.

Even Liverpool who are apparently poor now have 3 signings meaning they can push on all fronts.
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Even Villa and Spurs have outspent us this season till now. Everything hinges on the Sancho deal now.
I want to be more detached about this club. But everytime there is a semblance of progress, I get emotionally sucked right back in to United's season and transfers.
Everything has to be last minute about this club, our top 4 fight till the last day, our transfer sagas (Pogba, Maguire and now Sancho) last till the last week of the window.

I can empathise a lot more now for the AFTV guys. We are definitely headed in their direction too. :lol:
 
I don't get all the complaints here about Ed and the board. It's looking more and more likely you'll end up with DvB, Telles and Sancho from this window, which I'm sure most would agree is a pretty good haul, better than the dippers, City Arsenal and Spurs and even pushing Chelsea's massive spending spree.

The window's not closed yet, you can't blame the the board for being careful and trying to get the best deal possible, if that takes a few extra weeks then so be it, the result is the same, especially with such a short pre season this year. At least Sancho and Telles will have had a good preseason elsewhere and Sancho will have a good number of match minutes under his belt as well.
 
I don’t understand this Sancho or nothing mentality so many people seem to have.
 
Infordin said:
I don’t understand this Sancho or nothing mentality so many people seem to have.
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The time to move on from sancho was a month ago. Now it has to be sancho or nothing, we have delayed too long for chiesa, coman, dembele to be an option anymore and I don't think most utd fans are going to be pleased with brooks or sarr as options to sancho.
 
The Boy said:
I don't get all the complaints here about Ed and the board. It's looking more and more likely you'll end up with DvB, Telles and Sancho from this window, which I'm sure most would agree is a pretty good haul, better than the dippers, City Arsenal and Spurs and even pushing Chelsea's massive spending spree.

The window's not closed yet, you can't blame the the board for being careful and trying to get the best deal possible, if that takes a few extra weeks then so be it, the result is the same, especially with such a short pre season this year. At least Sancho and Telles will have had a good preseason elsewhere and Sancho will have a good number of match minutes under his belt as well.
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I'd much rather a new United player practise regularly with United players in the training ground, than play competitive Bundesliga matches with 20-odd non-United players.
 
The Boy said:
I don't get all the complaints here about Ed and the board. It's looking more and more likely you'll end up with DvB, Telles and Sancho from this window, which I'm sure most would agree is a pretty good haul, better than the dippers, City Arsenal and Spurs and even pushing Chelsea's massive spending spree.

The window's not closed yet, you can't blame the the board for being careful and trying to get the best deal possible, if that takes a few extra weeks then so be it, the result is the same, especially with such a short pre season this year. At least Sancho and Telles will have had a good preseason elsewhere and Sancho will have a good number of match minutes under his belt as well.
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You are assuming the most incompetent man in football and his college buddy won't screw it up and we will get sancho, don't think others including me are that confident.
 
SmallCaine said:
The time to move on from sancho was a month ago. Now it has to be sancho or nothing, we have delayed too long for chiesa, coman, dembele to be an option anymore and I don't think most utd fans are going to be pleased with brooks or sarr as options to sancho.
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Chiesa, Coman and Dembele United were never interested in.
 
SmallCaine said:
The time to move on from sancho was a month ago. Now it has to be sancho or nothing, we have delayed too long for chiesa, coman, dembele to be an option anymore and I don't think most utd fans are going to be pleased with brooks or sarr as options to sancho.
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That options :lol:

Have you even seen Chiesa play ? Genuine question.
 
If Jadon Sancho hits the ground running in tonight's match against Mönchengladbach, I would love if some of Dortmund's media-men cheekily raise his "Twitter" valuation from £108m to £110m just to see Woodie's reaction. :devil:
 
SmallCaine said:
The time to move on from sancho was a month ago. Now it has to be sancho or nothing, we have delayed too long for chiesa, coman, dembele to be an option anymore and I don't think most utd fans are going to be pleased with brooks or sarr as options to sancho.
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Sarr would be a good option, never underestimate players just because they play for relegated/inferior teams.
 
I think we might pay the asking price. This might be a similar scenario to the Maguire transfer. We were trying to be hard nosed and drive the asking price down but we end up getting him.
 
Infordin said:
Sarr would be a good option, never underestimate players just because they play for relegated/inferior teams.
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Sarr may turn out to be a decent player, either at Utd or Pool or wherever, but at this point we need a player who promises to hit the ground running, ensuring we at least stay within touching distance of the top 2, and who promises to lead us to trophies in the coming seasons.

Sancho is someone who offers this possibility. Alternatives like Sarr or Brooks don't. They are akin to Pool signing Jota. Decent players for squad depth but not the kind who will elevate the team. Hence, the Sancho or bust mentality of most Utd fans.
 
Pexbo said:
big day today
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You mean, the day to actually focus on what's important and that's United playing football?

Because if you're focusing on Dortmund and hoping they don't play Sancho, I'm pretty certain you're going to be disappointed.
 
Redplane said:
He wont play. Book it.
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Why wouldn't he play? If Dortmund don't play Sancho, it only weakens their hand in the entire saga (unless there's a genuine injury that I'm not aware of).

Even if they really wanted to sell now (which isn't the case, I think), they'd want Sancho to fire on all cylinders tonight.
 
TheNewEra said:
Chiesa, Coman and Dembele United were never interested in.
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Then who are we interested in as 2nd choice to sancho, there are only so many decent options at a position.

Infordin said:
Sarr would be a good option, never underestimate players just because they play for relegated/inferior teams.
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Sarr wouldn't be an improvement over greenwood, its not that he plays for a relegated team, its the fact that he isn't anywhere near proven, same for brooks, nice options if we are getting them as backups, but as first choice they are pretty underwhelming.

bond19821982 said:
That options :lol:

Have you even seen Chiesa play ? Genuine question.
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I have a few times, he isn't a fancy name but for how we play he would have been a pretty good fit especially in terms of workrate and pressing that ole wants from the front.
 
TheLord said:
If Jadon Sancho hits the ground running in tonight's match against Mönchengladbach, I would love if some of Dortmund's media-men cheekily raise his "Twitter" valuation from £108m to £110m just to see Woodie's reaction. :devil:
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Wait any longer and it will be, as the pound is constantly dropping vs the Euro.
 
This is going to be finally be put to bed tonight I feel. Think he's going to start and then there's going to be some kind of announcement he's staying maybe in the post match stuff.
 
Nou_Camp99 said:
This is going to be finally be put to bed tonight I feel. Think he's going to start and then there's going to be some kind of announcement he's staying maybe in the post match stuff.
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Of course he's going to start. Why wouldn't Dortmund play someone who's on their books? And it doesn't really matter what they say, they've said no plenty of times, yet the saga rumbles on. It will end only when he signs for us, or when the transfer window ends.
 
This is like the end of LOTR Return of the King and we're all being batterred to death, but then first light shows and Aragorn comes storming over the horizon with an undead army. Only Olly is Aragorn and the gifs are the undead army.
 
King7Eric said:
Of course he's going to start. Why wouldn't Dortmund play someone who's on their books? And it doesn't really matter what they say, they've said no plenty of times, yet the saga rumbles on. It will end only when he signs for us, or when the transfer window ends.
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That's not true though is it? We've walked away from deals before transfer deadlines many a time.

Feel like it's been a whole lot of nothing that has kept this saga going. Dortmund running out of time themselves to find a suitable replacement as well. After Bayerns demolition of Schalke last night I'm sure Dortmund don't want to further weaken their side anyway.

Doesn't feel like the Maguire one this where you knew we'd end up paying the money.
 
Nou_Camp99 said:
That's not true though is it? We've walked away from deals before transfer deadlines many a time.

Feel like it's been a whole lot of nothing that has kept this saga going. Dortmund running out of time themselves to find a suitable replacement as well. After Bayerns demolition of Schalke last night I'm sure Dortmund don't want to further weaken their side anyway.

Doesn't feel like the Maguire one this where you knew we'd end up paying the money.
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Whenever we walk away from deals, like Griezmann or Dybala, we always make sure to announce it via our media mouthpieces, something we haven't done yet. We constantly keep giving briefs that RW is a priority, which indicates we are gonna keep trying until the end. Whether we succeed or not time will tell.

Regarding, Bayern's demolition, I'm actually getting a bit tired of people on here pretending that Dortmund are actually some kind of threat to Bayern. With or without Sancho, Dortmund are not gonna win the league, so what Bayern do has nothing to do with this deal.
 
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