Well, they made one on 10th August.
Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now
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First of all, go watch our net spend. Second go see when we spend the money. Then see the quality of the players that we buy. I will tell you why we buy players that are not on our level.
What is happening at you club, is that we miss out on CL. Then we go out and spend LOTS of money on players who are in between Europa League and Champions league quality. Good enough to compete in Europa League, not good enough to compete in Champions League.
Basically we buy players that are willing to play in Europa League (Sancho is not, that is why we didnt buy him last year and why we wont buy him next year)
when we miss out on CL football, other clubs know that we want to get back there and have to spend money, so they rinse lots of money from us for average talent. Then next year we have (usually have) CL football, Glazers have achieved their goal and dont want to spend money. Average talent will get their 25% increase to their wages because of CL football. We don't have enough money to spent to achieve anything good (because of the financial restrictions the Glazers have put on ourselves), so we will miss out on CL football. And the circle happens again, but now we have bad players, on high wages who cant go to other clubs because they are not good enough but get paid more money then they should.
And now the other reason. This is because Edward Woodward is a monkey at the wheel. He will drive somewhere, but doesn't really know where, just keeps steering us, maybe to the edge of the cliff, maybe to the promised land, but either way it won't be because he knows where, or how. Like our transfers starting from Fellaini. He waited out the transfer clause to expire just because he thought he would get better price later. Spoiler - he didn't. Mata was bench warmer for Chelsea when we paid 46 million pounds for him. He was not the same players that he was when he came to the league. But chelsea rinsed us, because they are much better run football club.
Then we bought Di Maria for 75 million, when Real Madrid were desperate to get rid of him. Again. well run football club against our muppets. That is what happens.
Then Schneiderlin, Depay and Darmian. all players who are not on our level for stupid prices.
Our only good window was 2016 when Mino Raiola single handedly negotiated with Juve, BVB and with us. He got us Zlatan, Mikhi and Pogba.
Then Alexis happened. Edward paid so much just because City wanted Alexis on a free. But still Jose got us second in the league. With Pogba injured many months. I really believe that was Jose at his best. In every other season that would have been our league title. And then came the summer when we really needed to spend money. Second in the league, back in the Champions League. we had won against City, we knew that we could compete with them, maybe were better than them, we just needed to spend, get Jose what he wanted. And we didnt. He wanted Maguire. Leicester City wanted 60 mil for him. Edward wouldn't pay that. thought he would get him cheaper. (got him year later for 80 mil) Edward Woodward bought Jose 3rd goalkeeper, right back for our reserves and 3rd choice DM.
And all because Glazers had already achieved what they wanted. CL football.
remember when Jose came out and said that if this was any other FC, he would quit on the spot? It was not out of respect for Glazers and Woodward. It was out of respect for Sir Alex, Sir Bobby and the crest.
Spending and spending is different. Look at Chelsea. They buy good players because they know that those players are good enough for Real Madrid. They know that they can flip any on them into bigger money every season. Chelsea are making money every year. Just like RM are. RM are selling good players every year. because they have good scouting and they trust their scouting. Chelsea, Liverpool, Real Madrid, PSG. They are all run buy good businessmen. We on the other hand are run by people who go and offer 60 million to BVB for Sancho. Wage cut to Sancho.
We were That football club in 2003. We are far from that now. That is not because of 'Rona, or the climate. There is only one problem in our football club and it is the Glazers. Woodward and Judge and every inadequate person running our transfers is starting from Glazers.
feck, sorry for the long post.
That deadline doesnt mean anything.
No such thing when bidding for a player. If Dortmund accept say 80m off Madrid next summer, then Utd, Liverpool, and whoever else wont come along and say "hang on, ill give you 90"They'll all just match it.
Only on contracts does it happen.
Exactly. Everytime I hear this crap about bidding war, its rubbish. There is never a bidding war on a player because like you said, teams will match it.
When buying a player the agent knows the fee, the agent will say £80m will secure him, then the war comes to agent fees and Salary..
The big IF. Yes, Chelsea, City, Real will all be able to afford him and if Liverpool sell they will too.
I'll get on to Woody.
Looks like it meant something to Dortmund, we tried calling their bluff on it and were left looking stupid.
First of all, we would be in the mix but that does not guarantee anything. We did not get ahead of anyone, there is no proof whatsoever we got ahead of anyone for anything. Who said we will have more crowd capacity than Dortmund? Germany are probably one of the best equipped in dealing with this virus, they will have capacity crows before we do.
Ornstein can say what he wants, a year in football is a long time. If we are 20 points of the title again and Liverpool are in for him, he will think Manutd are going nowhere... I would rather join a club which can win trophies. We managed to find a suitable financial package doesnt mean other clubs wouldn't. Let me give you an example. Thiago would go to Liverpool for a lower wage than United, which tells you where United are at at the moment.
It doesn't but Dortmund have repeatedly said that he's staying. We aren't meeting their valuation so for them the position in clear that he's there for another year.
We'll never know really given whether before or after the date we haven't met the figure they want.
I don't think the deadline meant anything, they've just not budged in the price and the structure. That's where we've been left looking stupid, chasing a dead end because we can't afford that.
What you're pointing out is a fair point. If the price is over what we can afford, so be it.
However, that doesn't imply strength, it actually imply indecisiveness. Dortdmund have the right to value their assets to whatever price they think they deserve. Our strength should've came a while ago by simply figuring out that Dortmund won't budge and moving on to plan B.
Going into the summer window knowing what is our budget, knowing that Dortmund value their player at 120 millions, knowing that the manager would like his squad to be assembled ASAP, we should have started these negotiations even before the market opened, by 2 or 3 weeks in, we could have figured out that they won't budge, explain it to our manager that his priority target is not attainable, whether we can pursue him next window or not, and moved to Plan B. That to me is what strength is.
Absolutely quality post.
Anyone still on board the Sancho train? I think i'm getting off soon. We reached 1000 pages yesterday and ironically this was the page that probably killed all hopes of him coming
They've also used intermediaries and not cooperated with us directly, knowing this would slow it down completely. We haven't heard anything substantial since that deadline passed, just that we've made 'progress' with the agent but nothing has been fully agreed with them, never mind Dortmund.
The whole window has been a mess so far, only one signing and one outgoing.
there's still time to meet it.
Happy Perisic day!!
Yep, they are gambling that next summer there will be more competition (I'm not sure there will be tbh)
I don't think it's been a mess yet, because as we've seen with DVB we can move swiftly. I'm just pretty annoyed we've spent so long chasing Sancho down when it's clear we have no intention of paying the price quoted. We should have redrawn the plans, especially as we know our finances better than anyone
I find it strange they have the need to keep repeating that he's staying.
Its simple. Manchester United is no longer a big club. We are not an attraction to super star players anymore and we have a bunch of incoherent buffoons in charge of transfers meaning we can never attract the top tier players here again our level is now players from Villa/Leicester/Palace which is an absolute shame we can simply never attract the Hazards and Sanchos of this world again I hope the glazers and Woodward have nothing but bad luck in their lives
I think that day marked the expiry date of the inofficial RC. They didn't budge, because they don't want to sell him in the first place.
Their behavior on the matter has undoubtedly been weird and a tad cringeworthy.
Sancho wants to join us. We're clearly a big club and miles bigger than Dortmund, for example. But we seem to be poorly run to not be able to afford Sancho despite our stature.
Nobody wants to sell a player like Sancho. But they would have if a huge bid came in, and they definitely will next summer. Just not convinced anymore that its going to be to us.
It's a win win for them, they try and force our hand to pay the full price or they look like they've done us over and kept their prized asset.
Ah, maybe. Either way, prior to the RC they weren't going to sell him for any less either so theyve never moved on what it would take to get him.
It’s far from simple
this is it in a nut shell. Great post
Think we screwed up here. It was always known the price was €120m, I don’t believe the 10 August deadline as that was ridiculous, we finished our season days before. However, Ole hasn’t been backed this window and if we don’t make top 4, then why would Sancho join next summer? The price isn’t even going to be lower, if Covid is resolved by next summer (on a personal level I hope so) then it could be higher given the Euros.
Ole must be fuming and rightly so, he delivered on his end of the bargain and the board have done him over here. Ole should be given a free pass this coming season, if you’re not going to be backed, then how is he able to progress the club forward? Our front 3 are fantastic but we needed quality, One of the three would have dropped to the bench, most likely Mason which in turn would have made our starting line up stronger and bench stronger.
I don’t believe Bale is the answer either, he doesn’t even look bothered to play, and it pretty much goes against what Ole wants. We binned of Sanchez and are now looking at Bale? Even on a one year loan, it only takes one bad egg.
Perhaps I’m wrong and they pull off an amazing coup the next few weeks, but it’s looking like Ole has been fecked here.
Ole must be fuming and rightly so, he delivered on his end of the bargain and the board have done him over here. Ole should be given a free pass this coming season, if you’re not going to be backed, then how is he able to progress the club forward? Our front 3 are fantastic but we needed quality, One of the three would have dropped to the bench, most likely Mason which in turn would have made our starting line up stronger and bench stronger.
I don’t believe Bale is the answer either, he doesn’t even look bothered to play, and it pretty much goes against what Ole wants. We binned of Sanchez and are now looking at Bale? Even on a one year loan, it only takes one bad egg.
Perhaps I’m wrong and they pull off an amazing coup the next few weeks, but it’s looking like Ole has been fecked here.
There can’t be many clubs with the patience to not strengthen a key position two summers in a row because they can’t get the player - the same player both times - they want.
Maguire was left out of Leicester's last friendly.
How very immature!
The solution will be Bale
We're still among the 4 best teams in the premier league IMO so we should be finishing in the top 4 again. However, if the likes of Liverpool (Klopp, top team) or Chelsea (the team he's a fan of?) go for him, think he could well sign for them over us. Especially if their relationship with Dortmund is better than ours. We will no doubt go back for Sancho again, but remains to be seen what the players desires at that stage are, and which clubs are in for him.
He definitely hasn't been desperate enough (to join us )to kick up a storm this summer, that much is clear. Let's see what happens in the future.
Onto the Mbappé thread! 
So, anyone still optimistic? I need som juice for my muppet batteries!
I was hopeful all summer but I'm off the Sancho train as well. I said last week that a deal will be unlikely if there is no positive movement by Monday. It seems its gotten stuck or even gone the other way unfortunately.
Not happening.
Not happening.
Their chairman said it way back in July and even set the final date when it could be done so no speculation
I am. A bit. Hopefully all those who say move on and close the thread and it's over will look silly.
I still think United will have another go before the window closes, but I don't know if the deal will be enough for Dortmund.
I also hop Dortmund will not get anything like £120m for him next year as they'll be dealing with tough negotiators.
I also hop Dortmund will not get anything like £120m for him next year as they'll be dealing with tough negotiators.
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Well, this current BVB squad isn't the worst to be in. Staying there for another year with Haaland & Co., while waiting for the Rona woes to subside a bit, probably isn't a too scary thought to him
When do we think the cut off point would be in Dortmund actually accepting a €120m bid? I mean it would be just like us to cave and pay it in the final week, but surely Dortmund won't accept that late in the day?
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