Just read up that sancho scored a goal more recently at OT than Rashford, Martial and Antony. That’s embarrassing if true.
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For me it is rather the cult of personality that always gets you in these situations. Probably it is because of the unparalleled impact Ferguson had on your club but you're always looking for that one strong leader who saves you or the one player who lifts you on the next level. In this case, you have granted Ten Hag more say on transfer activities than any other manager in the world including Guardiola and Klopp. I mean, after ages you've finally adapted the best practice of implementing a DoF and shortly after you make him a lame duck again and grant the last authority over transfer activites to the head coach.
Ten Hag's seeming favoritism of Antony is arguably what started this whole story but solely looking at the conflict itself, did Sancho's misconduct really justify banning him indefinitely and demanding a walk of shame? A suspension of one or two months seem short in hindsight but at the time, it would have been seen as very strict. I mean, I struggle to recall any player who was banned by his own club for more than one game. But Ten Hag not only took it a level further, he chose to make it personal on top of it. I don't know why you allow him to roam that freely. It is an ego trip that cost the club millions already. If Dortmund didn't know that there was no way back for Sancho at United, your bargaining position would have been much, much better.
I don't think there's any other club in the world who is so focused on individuals as you. Always a player on the market that is far too good to miss out on. Immovable support of the manager. And when things go south, it turns towards the other extreme ("make an example out of Sancho and let him rot on the bench for the next two years, feck the 40+m that will cost us").
Sancho is a joke but so is the manager.
I agree with most of what you are saying but Ten Hag's favoritism of Antony didn't start Sancho saga.
Sancho was known for playing Playstation all night and being late to training as far back as even during his Dortmund time and way before Ten Hag at United. Also, as much as fans hate it, all managers have favorites and it doesn't get a player permission to speak out against club and manager on Twitter, of all places.
Regardless, there will always be misunderstanding and conflict between some player and manager. The real crime here is that Ed Woodward and Ole signed Sancho on such ridiculous wages that he is virtually impossible to get rid of. Based on all of the horrible deals and insane wages Ed and United's leadership have given out, I seriously think at some point they should face legal consequences for misappropriating United money
Hold on. Hold on.
Don’t you know you’re not allowed to discuss this topic in any other way then Sancho being the devil.. How dare you talk about the standards EtH was carrying on about yet continues to fall short of himself.
Thing is we’ve seen this script with Lingard, Pogba, Depay before him & people still don’t learn. Yes all those players might be
wrong’uns yet all have experienced periods of great form outside of Manchester United at varying levels, the common denominator in their worst periods of form &/or behaviour just so happen to coincide with their stints here. Now you could claim it’s just 4 ‘bad apples’ but then there’s Lukaku, Di Maria & probably a few I’ve forgotten to mention. None of these players were the worlds best but we barely get half decent out of them.
I’m a sceptic on Ineos but this is the biggest thing they must change. There’s no point bringing talent into a rotten dressing room.
Yet still gathered numerous England caps & a big money move back to the Premier League.
Diogo Jota was pictured recently with the FIFA Ultimate Team app running on his phone whilst walking into a team hotel before a game. Sancho is not the only footballer to stay up late & play games. City have a renowned drunk on the wing & a full back who exposes himself in the middle of bars.
If Sancho were so renowned for his love of playstation & it were such a problem to the fans on this forum why has that stick only been brought out to beat him with post EtH debacle?
Sancho is not blameless here but him playing playstation till 2am is far less severe than the antics of multiple footballers. I watched the Wagatha Christie documentary [don’t ask why] & during the reading of her texts they talk about how Vardy & the rest of the squad are unhappy Mahrez missed training again. They won the league.
So many footballers have vices/issues none of us will ever know about, if you think an addiction to FIFA is a big deal then wow.
If I could follow posters like you can follow Instagram accounts this would get the follow. Absolutely brilliantly put from an outside perspective. From beginning to end.
Bravo Sir. Bravo.
But looks like few have problem with management for trying to fix the dressing room, yes this Sancho example is also in "rotten dressing room culture" page.
Which big players?
Hope he plays well and we get good fee by selling him. It didn't work out for numerous reasons, better to move on.
We could have got Bellingham with the Sancho money, correct ? 
We could have got Bellingham with the Sancho money, correct ?
No because he wasn't interested in coming to us.
I still think those things are blown way out of proportion in hindsight. I followed Sancho very closely at Dortmund since I'm a big fan of his playstyle and while there were a few indicents, they were very minor. The "biggest" story was his start of the season in 20/21 after United's first attempt at signing him failed. People said he performed halfheartedly and wasn't fit but even then he put in at the very least decent performances and IMO was primarily criticized because he didn't score well.
And let's be honest, unpunctuality, lack of discipline or unmotivated training when the manager didn't pick the player are very common. If you want a recent example, Leroy Sané was heavily criticized by media and club last season towards the end of Nagelsmann's stint. At one point he even had to take a cab to a game because the bus departed without him after being late. After finding himself benched a couple of games, he was notorious for bad body language in training and doing exercises in energy saving mode. He currently sits at 16 scorers in 1300 Bundesliga minutes for Bayern. Neither Nagelsmann nor Tuchel criticized him publicly or suspended him for it. It's not a good attitude to have but there are numerous players like that.
Looks like a bit more money for United
I think 2 things can be true here.
Some players will definitely have had their noses put out by things like, lateness being punished etc. & I personally couldn’t give a shit about them, turn up on time but I also think some probably just don’t like the tactics &/or training methods.
I’d be hesitant to conflate any player that’s not enjoying their time under EtH as ‘upset because he’s trying to fix the dressing room’.
Also a big part of management is gaining buy-in whilst you change a dressing room. See Klopp at Liverpool, he had them doing crowd waves after draws, he’d have known none of them were coming along on the ride but he gained buy-in.
This Sancho case deserves its own documentary cause it’s bizarre.
Same answer than the one I gave to @Skills, Jovic would be the closest player. Frankfurt didn't pay half of his wage when they him back on loan. And Madrid agreed to release him without fee when he moved to Fiorentina but with an agreement that they get 50% of his next move but he moved to Milan on a free transfer.
Arteta got rid of Mesut Ozil, Aubameyang, and Alexandre Lacazette without paying anybody else half of their salaries.
You can find examples for Pep and Klopp yourself, and feel free to let us know which other big club is paying half of player's salary to have that player play for somebody else?
Being late alone will never be the reason for all this, even Rashford was late for training and it barely made the news. When things sort of pile up because of repeated incidents it leads to bigger problems.
Sancho issue is just hilarious, the manager who didn't win the people completely and the player whose performance is downright pathetic. It's a average vs shit fight.
Manager should never be given free hand to do as he wishes but player has nothing to back him. Very poor performance and apparently poor off the field with lack of training performance and punctuality.
Thank you
Do we know that half of his salary was still paid by Madrid when he moved to Fiorentina, or did he just take a paycut?
Arsenal paid money to Auba to terminate his contract.
Loan deal to Sancho is not a bad move at all under these circumstances. He will probably play well and then will have buyers thinking ManUtd is a spacejam club where all the talented players becomes shit.
He's a smart lad !
IIRC it's a very complicated deal where he basically moves around the world on free while clubs pay part of his salary. Real Madrid originally sent him to Fiorentina on a 2 year deal, where they could take over the €6M contract at the end of that deal - while there Fiorentina would pay 50% of his salary and Real Madrid would pay 50%. Fiorentina then sent the deal to AC Milan who are paying the 50% of his salary now and Real Madrid paying 50%. At that point either AC Milan sell him on "for free" to someone willing to pay €6M a year for that final year (2025) or do that themselves.
He took a pay cut, Real Madrid only paid most of his salary when he was loaned to Frankfurt.
Yeah, I sincerely hope Sancho does play well for Dortmund so we can sell him but
1. Will he play well, after sitting on his ass for 5 months?
2. Even if he plays well, nobody is going to pay his current United salary, ever. He is no Mbappe. So will he find an offer and leave even if he plays well for Dortmund?
Tottenham paid only two thirds of Bale's salary as well when they loaned them with Madrid paying €10M apparently.
Edit: According to this source even more:
Gareth Bale is close to a sensational return to Tottenham Hotspur, and Real Madrid is willing to pay half of his $780,000-a-week wages to make it happen
No Real Madrid paid none of his wage after he was "cut", the deal between Fiorentina and Real Madrid was 50% of his next move within two years while Fiorentina covers his wage.
You guys should take reported salaries with pinch of salt and start questioning why the total salaries reported in official financial report is much closer than what press reports.
Ridiculous take…in hindsight those we’re small clues and now we’ve got a player who obviously sees nothing wrong in doing as he pleases. In addition he’s had about 5 good games at United. He’s just been so utterly nothing it’s ridiculous.
I think two things can be true…
You can dislike the manager and a player can be unprofessional. It doesn’t have to be as a result of the managers training methods, all of the previous evidence points to Sancho having issues everywhere
Really hope he does well there so he can build up his value for us to get rid.
He’s never looked like a Manchester player at any point during his time here apart from the odd 20 minute spell in a game.
He’s never looked like a Manchester player at any point during his time here apart from the odd 20 minute spell in a game.
He turned us down. If you believe the Murtough/SAF argument story, it's because our sell was awful.We could have got Bellingham with the Sancho money, correct ?
This big issue with this is that, in loaning him to the same club he came from, he proves nothing new. He is still just a cockwomble who couldn't cut it in the PL.
Would sending him to Italy or Spain not raise his value a bit more than back to where he came from?
Probably doesn't matter too much anyway as nobody is going to pay much for the useless dope.
Murtough should have been fired on the spot for that crap, if reported story is true. Not that Jude would have joined us anyway, he probably made the best move for himself, but what Murtough did was horrible
What exactly did Murtough do?
It was a huge talking point amongst Arsenal fans, Arteta cleaned the squad by loaning every unwanted players but still paying part of their salary. And it's to be expected when you loan outside of PL clubs like most our loans were.
85% of the times he posts good content and I agree with most of his takes. But the other 15% @Zehner is rambling about his hatred towards everything Bayern
I agree but I guess we aren’t flush with options. I assume it suits Sancho (comfort blanket) and it suits Dortmund (experience with the player and him in the league).
it is proven that he doesn't cut it in the current Man Utd setup. It is still too soon to say he couldn't cut it in EPL. Back then people said that same on Salah when he was in Chelsea. Sancho is still very young.
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