Jadon Sancho - Chelsea (loan) watch

Free from a club that literally gave him everything.. a club that regarded him in such high esteem, a club that have him a huge bumper contract.. the highest paid player at the club. Someone who was once touted to be a future club legend, the talisman and face of one of the biggest brands in world football.

It’s his fault he is where he is. Freedom is an insult. Horrible comment. Spoilt pampered pricks.
 
The whole Sancho / Rashford / etc. situation is rather interesting and I would love to know exactly what has been going on behind the scenes at United in the past decade. For a club (due to SAF basically) that had complete control over the players and if they were cnuts they were kicked ASAP to a club having far too much player power. What the hell has gone on ththere.
Same as everything else in the club; left to fall into a state of disrepair.

We've had numerous problem children over the last decade. Rashford, the PR monster with his team of Mr. Smithers telling him he is bigger than the club.

Lingard, just a fecking idiot.

Sancho, a lazy prick with a horrible mentality.

Brandon Williams, big time Charlie who lost the head once he got his first big contract.

Greenwood, there was red flags with him before the obvious. Solskjaer mentioning him staying up all night playing video games and sneaking off with girls on international duty during Covid.

Fergie tolerated flawed genius on occasion (Cantona, Keane, Rooney) but he would've killed the United careers of all those idiots mentioned above (He may have tried to get through to Rashford).

Instead, we've just let the standards go through the floor and now players take the piss. Ten Hag tried to be a disciplinarian but the damage was done by that point. The players ruled the roost.

They need to start ruling the academy with an iron fist. Instil proper mentality and work ethic into players. Tolerate absolutely no bullsuit. Mainoo is a promising example of someone who seems to just want to put their head down and work hard but even lately, he's been pottering about on the pitch a bit.
 
Obsession to not do well, then yes. I would love nothing but him to fail wherever he goes.

Players leave and thats fine, I like to see players like McTominay, Elanga, Garner do well and succeed.

Sancho however; I want to see him fail. The way he treats Untied fans, after all the love he got from us, which was not warranted either.

He is an immature loser with a weak mentality. Glad to see him have support from Chelsea fans, he will need it.
Exactly. Got given several months off too by the club to get his head together.

He’s an absolute and colossal wanker with a piss poor attitude.
Will never make it in the Premier League, weak mentally and blames everybody else for his problems.
Don’t even need to hope he fails at Chelsea, it will happen with absolute certainty and already their fans are cottoning on to the sham that he is and his cowardly wing play.
 
Rashford was apparently one of those encouraging Sancho to apologise to ETH. Sancho clearly has real issues with United (be fascinating to hear about them at some point given it seemed to be aimed at ETH on the past - which is clearly no longer an issue).
The club backed EtH over Sancho, that might be part of it. But I think issues started far earlier, Sancho never really arrived and settled.
 
I’m just glad we are finally rid of him this summer, I imagine he will end up surplus to requirements at Chelsea but they have will have the benefit of a much lower fee and wages when they inevitably decide to move on.
 
Same as everything else in the club; left to fall into a state of disrepair.

We've had numerous problem children over the last decade. Rashford, the PR monster with his team of Mr. Smithers telling him he is bigger than the club.

Lingard, just a fecking idiot.

Sancho, a lazy prick with a horrible mentality.

Brandon Williams, big time Charlie who lost the head once he got his first big contract.

Greenwood, there was red flags with him before the obvious. Solskjaer mentioning him staying up all night playing video games and sneaking off with girls on international duty during Covid.

Fergie tolerated flawed genius on occasion (Cantona, Keane, Rooney) but he would've killed the United careers of all those idiots mentioned above (He may have tried to get through to Rashford).

Instead, we've just let the standards go through the floor and now players take the piss. Ten Hag tried to be a disciplinarian but the damage was done by that point. The players ruled the roost.

They need to start ruling the academy with an iron fist. Instil proper mentality and work ethic into players. Tolerate absolutely no bullsuit. Mainoo is a promising example of someone who seems to just want to put their head down and work hard but even lately, he's been pottering about on the pitch a bit.
Spot on.
 
The whole Sancho / Rashford / etc. situation is rather interesting and I would love to know exactly what has been going on behind the scenes at United in the past decade. For a club (due to SAF basically) that had complete control over the players and if they were cnuts they were kicked ASAP to a club having far too much player power. What the hell has gone on there.

I don't even see "player power" in these instances, to be honest. United has empowered almost every manager to get rid of any players, regardless of status, that they didn't like/see fit to stay - and the fans supported the managers in every instance. I don't think that happens everywhere else. Not many clubs are banishing their highest earners, like we do.

Worth noting that Rashford did say he didn't want to leave on bad terms, and even when he was banished from the team - he'd post messages of support for the team, after games.

In regards to Sancho, his comments will come off as distasteful, especially and rightly so when all circumstances are considered, but Lukaku and Di Maria had similar comments. I don't think United has been a well ran ship for a while, and the atmosphere around the club is pretty poor/toxic. The advent of fan channels like Goldbridge's etc don't help, as often those channels weaponise fan sentiment. United players get crazy amounts of abuse and a significant number of people seem to think it's OK because they're well-paid.
 
I don't even see "player power" in these instances, to be honest. United has empowered almost every manager to get rid of any players, regardless of status, that they didn't like/see fit to stay - and the fans supported the managers in every instance. I don't think that happens everywhere else

Worth noting that Rashford did say he didn't want to leave on bad terms, and even when he was banished from the team - he'd post messages of support for the team, after games.

In regards to Sancho, his comments will come off as distasteful, especially and rightly so when all circumstances are considered, but Lukaku and Di Maria had similar comments. I don't think United has been a well ran ship for a while, and the atmosphere around the club is pretty poor/toxic. The advent of fan channels like Goldbridge's etc don't help, as often those channels weaponise fan sentiment. United players get crazy amounts of abuse and a significant number of people seem to think it's OK because they're well-paid.
Even managers do that. ETH, Rangnick, Mourinho and Amorrim have all done it. It needs to end.
 
United players get crazy amounts of abuse and a significant number of people seem to think it's OK because they're well-paid.
On the other hand United fans are still very restrained and supportive. I can't think of another club where players would get less criticism in a similar situation. I won't start a discussion about whether that's bad or good, but it definitely is exceptional.
 
Even managers do that. ETH, Rangnick, Mourinho and Amorrim have all done it. It needs to end.

True. And not to harp or be constantly anchored to Ferguson (we need to move on), and I think I'm relatively younger than most Caf posters, but I don't remember this being a thing under Ferguson. Now managers here post-up in post/pre-match conferences and do that often.
 
On the other hand United fans are still very restrained and supportive. I can't think of another club where players would get less criticism in a similar situation. I won't start a discussion about whether that's bad or good, but it definitely is exceptional.
Mam United fans are no better or worse than fans of anyone else. There's just more of them so there's more good ones and also more shitty ones.
 
Mam United fans are no better or worse than fans of anyone else. There's just more of them so there's more good ones and also more shitty ones.
At least for the fans at Old Trafford it's true. When I compare to what happened at times at other clubs in similar decline.

For example I remember the fans of Herth BSC demanded the team to lay down their shirts after a lost match as they didn't consider the team to be worthy wearing it. OT always clapped after comparable results.
 
True. And not to harp or be constantly anchored to Ferguson (we need to move on), and I think I'm relatively younger than most Caf posters, but I don't remember this being a thing under Ferguson. Now managers here post-up in post/pre-match conferences and do that often.
He wouldn't do that. The only time he came close was when he said Rooney had handed in a transfer request at the end of his final season. He may have said performances weren't good enough or whatever, but it was in general not trying to deflect from himself like our modern managers have done.
 
I don't even see "player power" in these instances, to be honest. United has empowered almost every manager to get rid of any players, regardless of status, that they didn't like/see fit to stay - and the fans supported the managers in every instance. I don't think that happens everywhere else. Not many clubs are banishing their highest earners
What are you talking about? This is factually incorrect. Mourinho specifically talked about how he wanted to get rid of at least three players that were still with the club, years after he was sacked i.e. he was blocked from getting rid of them

He gave interview about it so we know it happened. Other managers visibly also struggled, with the same but you are telling polar opposite imaginary reality

The first time United started prioritizing managers, post Fergie, was probably with INEOS. Before that? Hells no
 
At least for the fans at Old Trafford it's true. When I compare to what happened at times at other clubs in similar decline.

For example I remember the fans of Herth BSC demanded the team to lay down their shirts after a lost match as they didn't consider the team to be worthy wearing it. OT always clapped after comparable results.

The OT crowd has booed the team off plenty of times.

I'm also not sure whatever decline Hertha BSC have had can be considered remotely comparable to going from winning 13 of 21 league titles, never finishing lower than 3rd, whilst also winning 2 Champions Leagues and qualifying for the competition for 18 straight seasons, as well as a number of domestic trophies, to where slid to after the last 11 years.
 
This is true, but still he was the only player in the league playing so many of these "simple passes". It's just his style, and it was highly effective. But he never was a flashy high speed winger and if you looked for that you would be disappointed.

He did. He really fought and dragged Dortmund to their last title (the German cup). And in other phases he didn't.

The expected development of such a player of his age is that he matures and becomes more consistent at his top level. He did the opposite.

And as I said, ups and down are normal for youngsters (and you didn't provide a counter example). 20yo Sancho was a gem that needed to be polished. Instead he shattered for some reason.
You make fair points and seem to know a lot more about his time in the bundesliga than me.

A lot of my negative view will probably be him being the type of player you mentioned rather than a fast tricky winger.
 
The club and situation he was brought into didn't help. He had some issues at Dortmund that United just let get worse.

When you sign a player for 72m on a big wage and chased him the season before you expect to play and have a plan for you. First see if the player wants to play RW, when he arrives for that price and wage you play him constantly, I think if even if he favoured the left, he played on the right a lot and would've expected to be used there. If you know about his small motivational issue at Dortmund at times, you play him, you don't try to slowly ease him here or there which Ole did while he loses fitness and focus, players like him get stuck in a rut. We also signed Ronaldo late that summer and he called out the players which caused a rift, and Cavani didn't like it either. Our season under Ole collapses and Ralf comes in.

ETH is brought in and instead of the club saying we have a 72m player on 300k, can you use him, we buy a 85m player from Ajax we value at 25m. If you're Sancho must think what the hell is going on and become very disillusioned, Rashford has the left spot and ETH has one of his former players which he'll favour and almost forced to use as the club paid a stupid amount. Antony went 12 months without doing anything, we had reports of players moaning over underperforming favourites. This was huge damage, we could've gone back for Antony the next summer if Sancho didn't work out and I understand ETH wanting some players he trusts but we also have a player 300k costing 72m from the previous summer. What club spends 72m and 85m for one possible position, maybe multiple league/CL winners drunk on money.

Sancho is a spare wheel at the club just left to fester and get slated. Rashford was playing very well and lookign happy under ETH for 6 months but I think once his friend never really got a chance, sent to Holland for training and called out for being lazy is a line crossed and Rashford started to phone it in and the whole situation becomes toxic again like it did with Rashford under Ole/Rangnick season. There's been too much mishandling, players getting slated and certain players lose the desire to play for the manager and sections of fans. Lukaku also didn't like it here, felt he got too much stick and many more.

I totally get those views of Sancho was given chances etc. The pressure is huge, even going back to players like Alan Brazil he felt it. Off the back of Fergie the expectations are immense, players and managers buckle and go defensive to trying to hang on when the opposite is required.

We had another issue bringing in Sanchez, lots of fans thought he'd play right like at Barca, yet he starts on the left on 400k over Rashford/Martial and did poorly and upset players.
 
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What are you talking about? This is factually incorrect. Mourinho specifically talked about how he wanted to get rid of at least three players that were still with the club, years after he was sacked i.e. he was blocked from getting rid of them

He gave interview about it so we know it happened. Other managers visibly also struggled, with the same but you are telling polar opposite imaginary reality

The first time United started prioritizing managers, post Fergie, was probably with INEOS. Before that? Hells no

Words have meaning, so before getting flustered and replying in said manner - please understand what was said - "United has empowered almost every manager to get rid of ". Was the sentence you quoted - read it as many times as you need before coming up with "but what about"

And yeah, I must have come up with an imaginary reality in which we have expedited exits, and at times even banished some of our top earners, under different managers :+1:
 
Getting that England call back then, are you, Jadon?
 
You make fair points and seem to know a lot more about his time in the bundesliga than me.

A lot of my negative view will probably be him being the type of player you mentioned rather than a fast tricky winger.
The thing is I believe you were absolutely right. Everything looks as if everybody (Fans and club) expected such a player and weren't prepared for what he really was.

He was a bad fit for Ole's idea of football and never recovered from that.
 
The club and situation he was brought into didn't help. He had some issues at Dortmund that United just let get worse.

When you sign a player for 72m on a big wage and chased him the season before you expect to play and have a plan for you. First see if the player wants to play RW, when he arrives for that price and wage you play him constantly, I think if even if he favoured the left, he played on the right a lot and would've expected to be used there. If you know about his small motivational issue at Dortmund at times, you play him, you don't try to slowly ease him here or there which Ole did while he loses fitness and focus, players like him get stuck in a rut. We also signed Ronaldo late that summer and he called out the players which caused a rift, and Cavani didn't like it either. Our season under Ole collapses and Ralf comes in.

ETH is brought in and instead of the club saying we have a 72m player on 300k, can you use him, we buy a 85m player from Ajax we value at 25m. If you're Sancho must think what the hell is going on and become very disillusioned, Rashford has the left spot and ETH has one of his former players which he'll favour and almost forced to use as the club paid a stupid amount. Antony went 12 months without doing anything, we had reports of players moaning over underperforming favourites. This was huge damage, we could've gone back for Antony the next summer if Sancho didn't work out and I understand ETH wanting some players he trusts but we also have a player 300k costing 72m from the previous summer. What club spends 72m and 85m for one possible position, maybe multiple league/CL winners drunk on money.

Sancho is a spare wheel at the club just left to fester and get slated. Rashford was playing very well under ETH but I think once his friend never really got a chance, sent to Holland for training and called out for being lazy is a line crossed and Rashford started to phone it in and the whole situation becomes toxic again like it did with Rashford under Ole/Rangnick season. There's been too much mishandling, players getting slated and certain players lose the desire to play for the manager and sections of fans. Lukaku also didn't like it here, felt he got too much stick and many more.

I totally get those views of Sancho was given chances etc. The pressure is huge, even going back to players like Alan Brazil he felt it. Off the back of Fergie the expectations are immense, players and managers buckle and go defensive to trying to hang on when the opposite is required.

We had another issue bringing in Sanchez, lots of fans thought he'd play right like at Barca, yet he starts on the left on 400k over Rashford/Martial and did poorly and upset players.

This is just a post full of excuses... with false information too.

Firstly, you can point the blame at the club, yes they should have carried out their due diligence however; as a player, you know that you are signed for the RW, you are acting as if he didn't know that. So if you sign for a club knowing you will play RW, if you lack motivation for that... dont sign. In the same paragraph, you talk about easing in.... go watch Ole's interviews... Sancho had an ear infection when he joined. Ronaldo came in... didn't take Sanchos spot, Cavani wasn't happy because it was his position and number, completely different scenarios.

Ralf came in and played an academy player in Elanga over Sancho... shows the utter weak mentality he had.

So now you are being a hypocrite... saying he wants to play on the left and we shouldn't have bought Antony... he plays on the right btw. So, if you dont want to play RW, a manager brings a RW, why does that upset him? Ten Hag backed him, sent him away to recover his mental health and eased him back in.

There has been no mishandling, the player is rubbish has a piss poor mentality and its a shame that you cannot call it out for what it is rather than just pumping the blame on the managers and the club.

Saying that a club having squad depth, players would feel like a spare wheel when that player needs 6 months off in the season, its ridiculous.
 
looing forward to the next youtube comp of 10 yard passes to his nearest team mate. 'Baller burning up the bridge
 
Chelsea have 43 points. That's would've been enough to finish 14th or better in 5 of the past 10 seasons. 46 points gets you 14th or better in every season since the league has had 20 teams.

1 more Chelsea win and we never have to waste another second thinking about this silly little boy ever again.
 
The club and situation he was brought into didn't help. He had some issues at Dortmund that United just let get worse.

When you sign a player for 72m on a big wage and chased him the season before you expect to play and have a plan for you. First see if the player wants to play RW, when he arrives for that price and wage you play him constantly, I think if even if he favoured the left, he played on the right a lot and would've expected to be used there. If you know about his small motivational issue at Dortmund at times, you play him, you don't try to slowly ease him here or there which Ole did while he loses fitness and focus, players like him get stuck in a rut. We also signed Ronaldo late that summer and he called out the players which caused a rift, and Cavani didn't like it either. Our season under Ole collapses and Ralf comes in.

ETH is brought in and instead of the club saying we have a 72m player on 300k, can you use him, we buy a 85m player from Ajax we value at 25m. If you're Sancho must think what the hell is going on and become very disillusioned, Rashford has the left spot and ETH has one of his former players which he'll favour and almost forced to use as the club paid a stupid amount. Antony went 12 months without doing anything, we had reports of players moaning over underperforming favourites. This was huge damage, we could've gone back for Antony the next summer if Sancho didn't work out and I understand ETH wanting some players he trusts but we also have a player 300k costing 72m from the previous summer. What club spends 72m and 85m for one possible position, maybe multiple league/CL winners drunk on money.

Sancho is a spare wheel at the club just left to fester and get slated. Rashford was playing very well and lookign happy under ETH for 6 months but I think once his friend never really got a chance, sent to Holland for training and called out for being lazy is a line crossed and Rashford started to phone it in and the whole situation becomes toxic again like it did with Rashford under Ole/Rangnick season. There's been too much mishandling, players getting slated and certain players lose the desire to play for the manager and sections of fans. Lukaku also didn't like it here, felt he got too much stick and many more.

I totally get those views of Sancho was given chances etc. The pressure is huge, even going back to players like Alan Brazil he felt it. Off the back of Fergie the expectations are immense, players and managers buckle and go defensive to trying to hang on when the opposite is required.

We had another issue bringing in Sanchez, lots of fans thought he'd play right like at Barca, yet he starts on the left on 400k over Rashford/Martial and did poorly and upset players.

He was out for over a month towards the end of the season with Dortmund then had zero pre-season because he was with the England squad for the Euros. It's not that much of a surprise that he was eased in.

It wasn't ideal for anyone that we changed managers mid-season, but you can't say Sancho lacked opportunities. He started 20 league games and came off the bench in 9. Of our attacking players, only Ronaldo and Fernandes started more games.

Also not a clue what you're on about with Ten Hag allegedly freezing him out for Antony. Sancho started 10 of our first 11 league games under him, and despite being given an extended special leave to sort his head out mid-season, ended up making more leagues starts than the previous season (and only two fewer than Antony, actually making more appearances overall), as well starting the FA Cup final against City.

Sancho had plenty of chances. He just never took them.
 
Same as everything else in the club; left to fall into a state of disrepair.

We've had numerous problem children over the last decade. Rashford, the PR monster with his team of Mr. Smithers telling him he is bigger than the club.

Lingard, just a fecking idiot.

Sancho, a lazy prick with a horrible mentality.

Brandon Williams, big time Charlie who lost the head once he got his first big contract.

Greenwood, there was red flags with him before the obvious. Solskjaer mentioning him staying up all night playing video games and sneaking off with girls on international duty during Covid.

Fergie tolerated flawed genius on occasion (Cantona, Keane, Rooney) but he would've killed the United careers of all those idiots mentioned above (He may have tried to get through to Rashford).

Instead, we've just let the standards go through the floor and now players take the piss. Ten Hag tried to be a disciplinarian but the damage was done by that point. The players ruled the roost.

They need to start ruling the academy with an iron fist. Instil proper mentality and work ethic into players. Tolerate absolutely no bullsuit. Mainoo is a promising example of someone who seems to just want to put their head down and work hard but even lately, he's been pottering about on the pitch a bit.

Because they gave their all on the pitch. Whatever their flaws off the pitch were, if it didn't affect their on the pitch performance I think SAF was fine with them. There is no chance Rashford or Pogba or any of them ever get indulged like this under him.
 
This is just a post full of excuses... with false information too.

Firstly, you can point the blame at the club, yes they should have carried out their due diligence however; as a player, you know that you are signed for the RW, you are acting as if he didn't know that. So if you sign for a club knowing you will play RW, if you lack motivation for that... dont sign. In the same paragraph, you talk about easing in.... go watch Ole's interviews... Sancho had an ear infection when he joined. Ronaldo came in... didn't take Sanchos spot, Cavani wasn't happy because it was his position and number, completely different scenarios.

Ralf came in and played an academy player in Elanga over Sancho... shows the utter weak mentality he had.

So now you are being a hypocrite... saying he wants to play on the left and we shouldn't have bought Antony... he plays on the right btw. So, if you dont want to play RW, a manager brings a RW, why does that upset him? Ten Hag backed him, sent him away to recover his mental health and eased him back in.

There has been no mishandling, the player is rubbish has a piss poor mentality and its a shame that you cannot call it out for what it is rather than just pumping the blame on the managers and the club.

Saying that a club having squad depth, players would feel like a spare wheel when that player needs 6 months off in the season, its ridiculous.

Well it's obvious this type of post was coming. I did say the club didn't help and understand the sentiment of Sancho being weak etc and I even state he's had issues while in Germany to a lesser extent. You're proving my point really and I'm well aware of the feeling around him from sections of fans and what he earns. You say the player shouldn't sign, maybe the club shouldn't or look to see how a young player like him settles when back in the UK and you also ignore large parts of his time here and focus on Rangnick when Elanga took over Rashford and Sancho as a young player just willing to work hard, that's how bad it was in the first team. You should read on Fergie how he managed players off the pitch and the chasm left once he retired, the club has been so lax. Even Jose wanted help.

An ear infection doesn't cover his overall start here and the lack of a plan for him and how the club has so many weak players. We also had Greenwood coming through at the time so where Sancho fitted was a puzzle much like Donny, another player just brought in without any idea and totally lost his way. Are you seeing a pattern yet?

And before you say Donny was a club signing, Ole was on the phone to him convincing him to come.
 
Well it's obvious this type of post was coming. I did say the club didn't help and understand the sentiment of Sancho being weak etc and I even state he's had issues while in Germany to a lesser extent. You're proving my point really and I'm well aware of the feeling around him from sections of fans and what he earns. You say the player shouldn't sign, maybe the club shouldn't or look to see how a young player like him settles when back in the UK and you also ignore large parts of his time here and focus on Rangnick when Elanga took over Rashford and Sancho as a young player just willing to work hard, that's how bad it was in the first team. You should read on Fergie how he managed players off the pitch and the chasm left once he retired, the club has been so lax.

An ear infection doesn't cover his overall start here and the lack of a plan for him and how the club has so many weak players. We also had Greenwood coming through at the time so where Sancho fitted was a puzzle much like Donny, another player just brought in without any idea and totally lost his way. Are you seeing a pattern yet?

And before you say Donny was a club signing, Ole was on the phone to him convincing him to come.

Whilst you can carry out checks, I do blame the club for signing such an immature pathetic player, we have had many signings like that. I agree but your sentiment that he wasn't given a chance is completely untrue.

Ole played him, he was rubbish, he was given a chance by every manager, he just failed to take any of them.

Fergie this Fergie that, move on... this is the problem with fans like you, football has moved on a long time ago, football has changed since then, the quicker and sooner you realise and accept that, the better.

Sound like when a parent says... "back in my day, we didn't have phones, we used to have to do xyz".. does that mean we should go back to those times? No.

In respects to Donny, alot of our signings haven't come off but they do get their chance, where Donny is playing should tell you more about the player than us not having a plan. Sometimes the players just aren't good enough.
 
Well it's obvious this type of post was coming. I did say the club didn't help and understand the sentiment of Sancho being weak etc and I even state he's had issues while in Germany to a lesser extent. You're proving my point really and I'm well aware of the feeling around him from sections of fans and what he earns. You say the player shouldn't sign, maybe the club shouldn't or look to see how a young player like him settles when back in the UK and you also ignore large parts of his time here and focus on Rangnick when Elanga took over Rashford and Sancho as a young player just willing to work hard, that's how bad it was in the first team. You should read on Fergie how he managed players off the pitch and the chasm left once he retired, the club has been so lax. Even Jose wanted help.

An ear infection doesn't cover his overall start here and the lack of a plan for him and how the club has so many weak players. We also had Greenwood coming through at the time so where Sancho fitted was a puzzle much like Donny, another player just brought in without any idea and totally lost his way. Are you seeing a pattern yet?

And before you say Donny was a club signing, Ole was on the phone to him convincing him to come.

You made up a load of bollocks about Ten Hag freezing him out to make room for Antony, despite that being objectively untrue.

He had plenty of opportunities and didn't take them. He wasn't actually very good during his loan stint at Dortmund last season, and has continued not being very good for Chelsea this season. At what point does the penny drop for you that he's just not very good?

It's also rich invoking Fergie, when he wouldn't have gone anywhere near Sancho.
 
I remember being angry with Pep let this guy go, but Guardiola saw through all the bullshit and realized despite the talent he wasn't worth the place in the squad he was demanding.
 
Whilst you can carry out checks, I do blame the club for signing such an immature pathetic player, we have had many signings like that. I agree but your sentiment that he wasn't given a chance is completely untrue.

Ole played him, he was rubbish, he was given a chance by every manager, he just failed to take any of them.

Fergie this Fergie that, move on... this is the problem with fans like you, football has moved on a long time ago, football has changed since then, the quicker and sooner you realise and accept that, the better.

Sound like when a parent says... "back in my day, we didn't have phones, we used to have to do xyz".. does that mean we should go back to those times? No.

In respects to Donny, alot of our signings haven't come off but they do get their chance, where Donny is playing should tell you more about the player than us not having a plan. Sometimes the players just aren't good enough.

I wish we as a fanbase could move on, that's my point you keep missing and labeling me with it now. The club, the fans have to move on from Fergie and the toxicity. I think it's starting finally.

Again with you, just players aren't good enough or weak. People wonder how we have no money now yet are happy to just write off players as not good enough and weak time after time, the plan was there. I say the club has been partially at fault yet people don't want to hear and just blame players and we're back to square one.
 
I remember being angry with Pep let this guy go, but Guardiola saw through all the bullshit and realized despite the talent he wasn't worth the place in the squad he was demanding.

While I think all of that is correct, there are also technical/physical limitations at play here - his dribbling, in particular has really been found out in the Premier League. While his attitude has undoubtedly held him back too, I think even if he manages to get his head straight he is still unlikely to ever be a top level Premier League player.
 
I remember being angry with Pep let this guy go, but Guardiola saw through all the bullshit and realized despite the talent he wasn't worth the place in the squad he was demanding.

Yup same with Ferguson and Pogba could see the bullshit coming from a mile away
 
Yup same with Ferguson and Pogba could see the bullshit coming from a mile away

Ferguson tried to tie Pogba down. He sent Evra and Rio to Pogba’s house to convince him to stay as stated by both. These scenarios aren’t similar - Ferguson fought really hard to keep Pogba.

Also, Pogba ended up a really good player with an accomplished career. Sancho is not there yet - he still has time though.
 
While I think all of that is correct, there are also technical/physical limitations at play here - his dribbling, in particular has really been found out in the Premier League. While his attitude has undoubtedly held him back too, I think even if he manages to get his head straight he is still unlikely to ever be a top level Premier League player.

Yes it will be difficult. He was likened to Mata by some people within the club at United so hard to see how he'd thrive. We've also been accused by other Spanish players of not getting the most out of Mata, we never found a spot for him or play that way. German fans on here said Sancho wouldn't fit United and were worried we'd ruin him, I could see the same thing with how poor he was for England, how direct United need players, the lack of system and he'd have to adapt and so would team half way to make him a success. Obviously a different mentality between them and while we can love and appreciate Mata, it wasn't great, a peripheral player that had his moments. Moyes brought him in for creativity but really never knew what to do with him.