Unplug the fax machine, close the curtains and freeze the company bank accounts. If they can't find us they can't send him back.
Jadon Sancho - Chelsea (loan) watch | £5M opt-out fee
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) talk about the proposed new stadium, season ticket prices, Sir Jim Ratcliffe and all things INEOS after the first year of their co-ownership.
They also discuss back-to-back victories vs. Real Sociedad and Leicester City - was this the best week for Amorim so far?
Too slow to play as winger in PL.
Getting really worried now that Chelsea will back out of the deal. But hopefully they'll decide he's good enough to have as squad option with Mudryk suspended. 20-25M is not big fee and think they'd be more capable of selling him than us.
Has any club ever backed out of an obligation to buy deal?
Even if they do, it is not the end of the world for United. Chelsea will have to buy their way out of the obligation - United will get Sancho back and a penalty fee from Chelsea.
Sancho isn't good enough to play regularly for a Premier League club with aspirations of European football, but there will be buyers for him lower down the table and outside the Premier League - I would guess that United will be able to achieve a similar economic outcome overall if they flog the player abroad (when factoring in the Chelsea obligation break penalty), as they would if Chelsea paid the obligation (£25m ish).
Either way, United will be rid of Sancho permanently this summer and should get > £20m in return.
The situation with Adem Ljajic was weird and we used a get-out clause written in the contract after officially agreeing everything. The official reason was issues with work permit but I always suspected we thought he wasn't good enough. In hindsight, it was probably the right decision since Tosic, who was terrible, seems to have had a better career than Ljajic.
It reminds me of those Italian deals they used to do with 50-50 ownership and then both clubs would submit a sealed bid for who took over full ownership of the player. Sometimes, if they'd been a failure, you'd hear of both teams bidding really low (maybe zero)?
Even worse in this case if a club were actually willing to pay not to sign the player.
Turn of the lights damnit!
If he doesn't decide, he would rather not take a wage cut to leave and just see out his contract. The transfer fee isn't going to be the main issue here, its going to be Sancho and his wages.
Better we make sure its Chelseas problem to deal with this summer and not ours
Maybe when we play Chelsea in May they should add a clause that the losing team gets to keep Sancho.
And we’d end up losing.
I thought chelsea had to buy sancho unless they finished 14th or below?
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Which worries me because when he’s on form he’s probably the type of player to suit Amorims AM positions. But it’s not worth all the bad luggage he brings with him.
I don't think so, he doesn't have the intensity in his game in my opinion.
There were bound to be a few holes in such emmental deal.
I'm not sure if this is true, so take it with a pinch of salt.
I believe they have the option of paying a fine/penalty if they choose to not agree to the terms of the contract. I imagine, this penalty is more than the cost of buying the player, but they may feel this is the best decision as they'd also have to pay his wages for x amount of years. They also clearly do not rate the player, or think he can fit into their strategy.
One would assume that the fine/penalty is paid to Manchester United so that we don't miss out on the agreed funds as a minimum (maybe this fine is paid to the FA in part, who knows). If this is the case, then I don't think we should be worried. We should get the money owed (or more) and then still be able to sell the player to another club. Of course, this will be a challenge if a club with an obligation to buy backed out at significant cost to themselves. However, we might be fine with simply off-loading him for £5m~ if we've received the amount we were owed from Chelsea.
Strong.
That's what was originally reported but now there's other reports saying Chelsea have the option to pay what is essentially a loan fee instead.
Basically, buy him for 20 to 25 mil with no loan fee or don't buy him and pay a loan fee.
Nothing has been confirmed by either club.
Yea I agree. Think someone abroad might be interested in picking him up for 10-15mil. Throw in 5-10mil or whatever Chelsea's penalty is and it probably works out for us.
Normally I'd say he won't leave and could just collect his 300k per week for the last year of his contract, but I think we hold some cards in this case. If we just say to him "we won't play you" then his agent will know that's only bad for his negotiating position for wages at his next club.
If it means better wages on a 5-year deal elsewhere vs 1 year of ridiculous wages here, it's probably better for him to move on this summer while he's at least able to show he can get minutes for a club.
What do you mean "on form"? The guy literally hasn't had a good game in about 4 years, there is no form he's been on, anywhere, to suggest he is capable of playing well.
The most we got out of Sancho was a good half, once or twice when Rangnick was manager. He has not once put in a 90 min performance that wowed anyone since we bought him. I know Dortmund tried to hype of a couple assists against some farmers as returning to his best, but that fraud was exposed as soon as they had to fork out any money for him.
He may have been good 5 years ago when he played for Dortmund, but 5 years ago Cavani was a good player in the Premier League, shit changes.
I think he'd have fared worse at City or Arsenal. Guardiola doesn't tolerate Sancho type of personalities. Weirdly enough he doesn't seem able to get them to change either, he just ships them out, even going back to his Barcelona days. Under Wenger, Sancho would have flopped hard because of Wenger's man management style. Ironically I think if anyone could get a tune out of Sancho it would have been SAF or Mourinho in his heyday.
It's weird, because to make it to this level at all, as a pro footballer playing in the top European leagues, he already has an elite level mentality. How many players go pro out of youth academies? A very low percentage? The dedication to make it this far, even if a player isn't very bright, there are plenty of not very bright, talented players who don't make it.
I wonder what's the difference or factor where a player who is good enough for this level talent wise, somehow fails to make the most of it, from a sporting standpoint. Loss of motivation? The fame and success at a young age?
Bundesliga record signing fee (Bayern excluded): 36m pound
Highest annual Bundesliga salary (Bayern excluded): 9.23m pound
Sancho isn't affordable for Dortmund. Not at the asking prices quoted at the beginning of the transfer window and probably not even at the conditions Chelsea got because of his salary. Once a player has become a top earner at a EPL club, he's practically out of reach for every Bundesliga team not named Bayern. You guys don't realize how far ahead the EPL is financially.
Bit harsh. He’s a Liability yes who you can’t trust to put in the effort every game but he had a decent game I remember against Liverpool where he scored and we won.
Not if he really can’t be arsed.
Train with the youngsters and trouser £300k a week. Then decide what to do the year after.
I don’t think he really cares any more. He’s already rich enough to live a very comfortable life if he never plays again.
Reckon he would fall out with Mourinho in record time, after about a month.
If this is the case United really messed up the deal
Before you start throwing things like “you have no idea what you are talking about” - probably best to read the post. When did I say his success was entirely to Haaland? Did I not mention it could be because he had good teammates or that he went through a good patch.
The question was asked about why Sancho isn’t performing to the level he had at Dortmund.
The fact is he failed for England, failed for United and looking average for Chelsea.
I would separate these two concepts: how much he cares about being a top footballer vs how much he cares about money.
Just because he doesn't care about being a top footballer, that does not imply he does not want to make as much money as he can at any given opportunity. On top of that, his agent definitely cares about how much money he will make, and we tend to underestimate how important agents are in these affairs. Footballers have very short shelf-lives. He (and his agent) have 2 more multi-year contracts left in his career, that's it -- I bet they'll try to make the most money on it possible.
So I understand why you're saying what you're saying, but I think it will play out differently.
He's a man of simple needs. A set of gold plated XBOX and some snacks.
This is some CCP level face-saving spin.
Agents (and his entourage) care. They won't get paid unless he signs new contracts, transfers to other clubs etc. They have quite a big effect on a player.
I know some people are fixated on statistics, so I took a look at Jadon Sancho's FBref report. While he hasn’t been racking up goals and assists, he excels in two key areas where our team struggles: progressive carries and successful take-ons.
Sancho ranks in the 88th percentile for progressive carries and an impressive 96th percentile for successful take-ons. For comparison, Amad, widely regarded as our best ball carrier, ranks in the 87th percentile for progressive carries but only the 71st percentile for successful take-ons.
I’m not sure what the future holds for Sancho next season, but I firmly believe he’d thrive as an inside forward in Amorim’s system - especially on the ball rather than off it.
A front four of Dorgu, Sancho, Cherki, and Amad behind a new striker could be an absolute creative force, generating countless chances.
Sancho ranks in the 88th percentile for progressive carries and an impressive 96th percentile for successful take-ons. For comparison, Amad, widely regarded as our best ball carrier, ranks in the 87th percentile for progressive carries but only the 71st percentile for successful take-ons.
I’m not sure what the future holds for Sancho next season, but I firmly believe he’d thrive as an inside forward in Amorim’s system - especially on the ball rather than off it.
A front four of Dorgu, Sancho, Cherki, and Amad behind a new striker could be an absolute creative force, generating countless chances.
Yeah but theyd save a ton on wages.
You're missing one thing: Sancho has no motivation to train and play. We just need to move on.
If they want to give us 20m not to sign him fine. We can then loan him again
20 million from Chelsea plus the loan fee from Dortmund bring the transfer cost down into somewhat "normal" territory. Plus any loan fee we can get next season? Then he's in his last season I think? I can't see him having a rebirth at any club next season if he can't knuckle down in London at a club doing well.
I mean, that's what it is, isn't it?
£20 mil? That's the price to buy him. It's going to be a fraction on that not to buy him.