[Stacks]

The refusal by some to accept that the Bundesliga obviously has a different style than than the prem, one that is more attacking focused, is very strange. Of course attackers have more space because of that. And obviously that’s part of the reason why there are more goals in the Bundesliga than other leagues have. It’s strange to me that someone would desperately try to refute something, that isn’t just obvious, but also in no way a judgement of quality. It’s simply a different style. And yes, players like Sancho benefit from this. The same way defenders in Italy benefit from the different style the Serie A has. Which is more defensive minded.

more attack focused? is this why Weghorst bagged 63 league goals in 3 seasons because the Bundesliga is more "attack focused?"

 

[horsechoker]

it’s fascinating to come in here and read german football fans talk about the game. it’s like being a fly on the wall 15,000 years ago, watching cavemen talk about the wheel.

Eric Dier has been there 5 minutes and already mastered the German language

Witz eines Landes

 

[Fridge chutney]

it’s fascinating to come in here and read german football fans talk about the game. it’s like being a fly on the wall 15,000 years ago, watching cavemen talk about the wheel.

 

[mu4c_20le]

it’s fascinating to come in here and read german football fans talk about the game. it’s like being a fly on the wall 15,000 years ago, watching cavemen talk about the wheel.

 

[rimaldo]

Eric Dier has been there 5 minutes and already mastered the German language

Witz eines Landes

a lot of the older fans think he’s better than beckenbauer.

 

[Stacks]

Please

Different wingers have excelled under Pep at City
Whether its the cut in and shoot like Mahrez
Push and beat for pace like Sane
Pass and move like Sterling
Hold, protect possession like Grealish
Or the workhorse pressing midfielders like Bernardo
Now we are seeing a different profile in Doku who wants to take on and dribble

If all these could attain some level of success then Sancho can fit into at least one of these profiles

Sancho doesn't dribble/beat his man, not much pace and doesn't have a powerful shot like Mahrez so I dony see how he is similar.

 

[ThierryHenry14]

Fully agree. I think Arsenal should buy him for a handsome fee.

Unfortunately his salary and transfer fee make it very unlikely for that to happen, and he probably isn't someone who would be happy to be a squad player behind Saka or Martinelli. Good luck to find a buyer for him.

 

[Fridge chutney]

Unfortunately his salary and transfer fee make it very unlikely for that to happen, and he probably isn't someone who would be happy to be a squad player behind Saka or Martinelli. Good luck to find a buyer for him.

Arsenal have paid bigger transfer fees than United ever have. You wouldn't even have to beat your club record to get him!

 

[giggs-beckham]

It's in slow motion

 

[TheReligion]

it’s fascinating to come in here and read german football fans talk about the game. it’s like being a fly on the wall 15,000 years ago, watching cavemen talk about the wheel.

more attack focused? is this why Weghorst bagged 63 league goals in 3 seasons because the Bundesliga is more "attack focused?"

Eric Dier has been there 5 minutes and already mastered the German language

Witz eines Landes

 

[tenpoless]

It's an unwritten rule of Bundesliga. If it's a Dortmund player, defenders should ignore him.

 

[Pickle85]

I agree here, I don't see much difference in Sancho and someone like Doku. Sancho in a Pep system will be a totally different player

They're totally different players!

 

[stefan92]

It's an unwritten rule of Bundesliga. If it's a Dortmund player, defenders should ignore him.

Look at the referee just behind Sancho. Sancho is basically in the full back area in that short clip. Are you guys REALLY surprised that an attacker that drops this deep isn't attacked immediately?

 

[afrocentricity]

I understand that he didn't work out in United, but to completely discard him as a player is over the top. He is still young and has time to turn things around.

A lot of them are bitter, ignore them...

 

[Bubz27]

Exactly. I'm not trolling though.

Saying something that's true that winds people up isn't always trolling is it?

 

[Semper Fudge]

A lot of them are bitter, ignore them...

Your relentless commitment to the middle ground in every argument is impressive.

 

[tenpoless]

Look at the referee just behind Sancho. Sancho is basically in the full back area in that short clip. Are you guys REALLY surprised that an attacker that drops this deep isn't attacked immediately?

I'm not surprised that an attacker that has dropped this deep isn't attacked because they don't see him as dangerous anymore.

 

[GazTheLegend]

Sancho is going to be one of those players that every opposition fan agrees is being "wasted" at Manchester United, wax lyrical about his talent, but whenever anyone says "well would you like him at your club then I'm sure you can afford him - " suddenly complains about how expensive he would be, how he'd not fit their "system" and wah wah wah because the truth is they'd rather their team sign rat poison

 

[Toshey]

Southgate knew

 

[Camilo]

A lot of them are bitter, ignore them...

Your relentless commitment to the middle ground in every argument is impressive.

I don't think ignoring the opinions of others because you don't like them is middle ground.... It's actually pretty disgusting.

 

[Rossa]

They're totally different players!

As attacking wingers go, I think the only similarity is that they both wear shoes.

 

[Rossa]

Unfortunately his salary and transfer fee make it very unlikely for that to happen, and he probably isn't someone who would be happy to be a squad player behind Saka or Martinelli. Good luck to find a buyer for him.

You mean like Havertz?

 

[Gavinb33]

I think even if you had a clue, since you're fundamentally incapable of critical thinking in regards to your own club and echo chamber, it wouldn't matter.




He can't cope in the EPL for a club that plays outdated kick and rush football. Would be so funny if he plays great for Dortmund and then signs for Arsenal, Liverpool or even City. I mean, I really like to see him in Germany again but that would be great as well.

Those teams wouldn't go near him with a barge pole after this you think they want to deal with perpetual lateness and terrible training

 

[Abizzz]

I'm not ETH out but the red tinted specs are so cringe, as if the man is infallible in any situation. Clearly, he's not doing great in a lot of different aspects right now... It is what it is!

if you've gotta pretend that he's always right (at this point) just for your arguement to make sense, maybe you should revaluate the actual arguement you're trying to make.

Well I am, but not because of Sancho. No one would give a flying feck about this entire Sancho situation if ETH wasn't under performing to the point that we have a negative goal difference at the end of January. Behind fecking Moyes' West Ham, he's having a laugh. We have nothing positive to talk about so this threads gets 20 pages while the player has done nothing of note. Sancho can go do one but if anything he's a symptom of the problem that will hopefully be addressed soon.

 

[Pickle85]

As attacking wingers go, I think the only similarity is that they both wear shoes.

agreed. Was not a comparison I was expecting!!

 

[RedSky]

A lot of them are bitter

Indeed.

I think if you put Sancho into a well oiled machine, preferably one which has its philosophy steeped in possession, front foot football, he'd do fine but I dont think he'd standout.
Its when that team is out of possession, is when the real question marks may arise over his application and work ethic.

I also think he needs to be around experienced level-headed pros/ players/individuals that would try to get the most out of him and keep him relatively grounded. Reus , from the outside, seems to have played a big part in Jadon's time at BVB. There's a obvious connection there between the two.

Agreed, he'd do well in a functional team. Clearly doesn't have the tools to be a top, top player, but would be a decent first teamer. I pity any forward that has to play for ETH.

Bundesliga football has clearly dropped a few levels from 10 years ago but it's hardly a horrific league. The way some talk in here it's worse than the Championship.

 

[Rossa]

agreed. Was not a comparison I was expecting!!

I'd love for a Doku type of winger at United - completely different from anything else we have. His acceleration from a standstill is phenomenal, and quite far removed from the relaxed approach of Sancho. Doku also seems to have pretty neat close control.

 

[Pickle85]

I'd love for a Doku type of winger at United - completely different from anything else we have. His acceleration from a standstill is phenomenal, and quite far removed from the relaxed approach of Sancho. Doku also seems to have pretty neat close control.

Yep, I really like what I've seen of him so far. Quick, aggressive and makes things happen. Slight question mark for me is whether he can ensure consistent end product but if he does he's going to be terrifying.

 

[mctrials23]

Sancho is a top player in the right team. United never were that team. There are plenty of players with the mental fortitude of a kipper who have good careers because they stay at the right team and stay in their lane.

United have a long and storied history in recent times of saying "that lad footballs good, lets buy him" without wondering if he remotely fits into the team or how we want to play. Sancho is just another one of those. Hes a system player and we don't have a system. If you look at basically every player that has done well at United in the past 10 or so years they are individuals. They exist outside of the shit the team is churning out.

Rashford - individual
Bruno - individual who will win you games despite making sure you have zero control of game
Garnacho - individual brilliance
Greenwood - individual

Unfortunately at United right now, if you can't pull a rabbit out of a hat on your own, you will struggle to make any impact.

 

[Zehner]

I watched an hour long interview with Szoboszlai not long ago after he signed for Liverpool. He himself said that in the Bundesliga, he always had twice as much time on the ball to make a decision, and a lot more space in front of him after receiving the ball.

It's not some myth that die-hard PL fans try to sell as the real thing, the players and managers are very aware of this as well.

In England, you will be closed down quickly and you won't have that much time on the ball to make a decision.

The clip you posted is from a game where Arsenal played like City usually does at Old Trafford, and they dominated us. They just made some mistakes and we had to be very clinical to win that game. Most teams in the league will not play such a high line at Old Trafford, because they know that even during this banter era of ours we've had deadly transition players like Bruno or Rashford. And Arsenal have very athletic defenders like Saliba, White or Gabriel who can play high up the pitch. White almost got back in time to stop this Rashford goal.

What I said doesn't make the Bundesliga a bad league, though, and Sancho could be a useful player for a side that is a well-drilled unit against low-blocks and knows how to unlock them. His link-up play is actually very good, but that's not enough to make it in the PL. Van de Beek also has really good link-up play in tight spaces, but he struggled even at Everton. I bet he will find way more success in Frankfurt.

I don't doubt that Sancho would look way better and actually be useful for City, Arsenal or Liverpool. Not as a guaranteed starter, though. More of an impact sub with some starts here and there. It's just that he could never replicate his BL numbers even at those clubs, because there are very few players in the PL putting up 30-40 G/A in the league and Sancho isn't someone of that mould who we've just ruined. He's just not a good fit currently and he's probably burned his bridges at United with his totally unnecessary hissy fit on social media.

Sorry mate but you see what you want to see. The clip you posted was an agenda-driven trainwreck of a tweet. Even if it wasn't slowed down and zoomed in it would be a terrible scene to pick to prove your hypothesis.

You don't need to convince me that it wasn't bad defending per se, it is obvious you had so much space because Arsenal played this way. I only showed this clip to prove a point. Why do you think teams get so much space in the Bundesliga? Because most teams try to play on the front foot. You accept the same reasoning for one league but not for the other.

And why shouldn't Sancho cut it in the EPL in a different team? ""In the EPL you need to be this and do that" - no you don't. EPL teams play this way by choice and frankly speaking the most successful teams in the league are those that don't give a feck about your unwritten laws and conventions and impose a more European way of playing football on opponents, having all the physically superior tackling monsters chasing shadows for 90 minutes. It's you guys who insist on playing a dying brand of football and then get frustrated when players who excelled in completely different systems don't work out for you.

 

[afrocentricity]

I don't think ignoring the opinions of others because you don't like them is middle ground.... It's actually pretty disgusting.

Ignoring bitter people in a football thread is not disgusting, it's sensible

 

[Stacks]

Nah Doku is very different. He beats people for fun from a standing start. Sancho can’t beat his man like that, he can beat them with tight dribbles and interplay. Don’t get me wrong I think he would be better for Pep but I think his general lack of intensity would be an issue in all top teams. He reminds me most of a young martial (although Martial was more talented and miles better imo) in that they both have ability, and if they could play with the intensity of a Bruno or Alexis Sanchez you are looking at completely different players. But they don’t, they play with a languid style, don’t like getting hurt and don’t really have a sense for danger. In both cases this comes down to training and desire.

Sancho reminds me of the Man Utd Alexis Sanchez, thats a great shout

 

[DRJosh]

The thought of Sancho progressing further on the CL with Dortmund is sickening. He has truly had the last laugh. His level of professionalism however is another debate in itself…but United’s shambolic structure means we are a wasteland for talent.

 

[Stacks]

I watched an hour long interview with Szoboszlai not long ago after he signed for Liverpool. He himself said that in the Bundesliga, he always had twice as much time on the ball to make a decision, and a lot more space in front of him after receiving the ball.

It's not some myth that die-hard PL fans try to sell as the real thing, the players and managers are very aware of this as well.

In England, you will be closed down quickly and you won't have that much time on the ball to make a decision.

The clip you posted is from a game where Arsenal played like City usually does at Old Trafford, and they dominated us. They just made some mistakes and we had to be very clinical to win that game. Most teams in the league will not play such a high line at Old Trafford, because they know that even during this banter era of ours we've had deadly transition players like Bruno or Rashford. And Arsenal have very athletic defenders like Saliba, White or Gabriel who can play high up the pitch. White almost got back in time to stop this Rashford goal.

What I said doesn't make the Bundesliga a bad league, though, and Sancho could be a useful player for a side that is a well-drilled unit against low-blocks and knows how to unlock them. His link-up play is actually very good, but that's not enough to make it in the PL. Van de Beek also has really good link-up play in tight spaces, but he struggled even at Everton. I bet he will find way more success in Frankfurt.

I don't doubt that Sancho would look way better and actually be useful for City, Arsenal or Liverpool. Not as a guaranteed starter, though. More of an impact sub with some starts here and there. It's just that he could never replicate his BL numbers even at those clubs, because there are very few players in the PL putting up 30-40 G/A in the league and Sancho isn't someone of that mould who we've just ruined. He's just not a good fit currently and he's probably burned his bridges at United with his totally unnecessary hissy fit on social media.

After starring for Bayer Leverkusen, Havertz joined Chelsea last month for £89m and has made five appearances for the Blues so far.

Havertz stressed that there aren't many differences between top flight football in England and Germany, but stressed that there 'aren't any average or bad players' in the Premier League.

Havertz told Chelsea's official website: ‘The Bundesliga isn't worse but I noticed differences. It seems to me like there aren't any average or bad players here – everybody is at a very high level.’

According to Kai its more about the quality of players

Sorry mate but you see what you want to see. The clip you posted was an agenda-driven trainwreck of a tweet. Even if it wasn't slowed down and zoomed in it would be a terrible scene to pick to prove your hypothesis.

You don't need to convince me that it wasn't bad defending per se, it is obvious you had so much space because Arsenal played this way. I only showed this clip to prove a point. Why do you think teams get so much space in the Bundesliga? Because most teams try to play on the front foot. You accept the same reasoning for one league but not for the other.

And why shouldn't Sancho cut it in the EPL in a different team? ""In the EPL you need to be this and do that" - no you don't. EPL teams play this way by choice and frankly speaking the most successful teams in the league are those that don't give a feck about your unwritten laws and conventions and impose a more European way of playing football on opponents, having all the physically superior tackling monsters chasing shadows for 90 minutes. It's you guys who insist on playing a dying brand of football and then get frustrated when players who excelled in completely different systems don't work out for you.

Who are these teams? Of the top 8, the coaches are Pep, Klopp, Arteta, Emery, Postecoglou, Moyes, De Zerbi, Ten Hag (all European coaches)

Is this why the worst striker in Man Utd history was a beast in Germany? So we just need to play like Wolfsburg or hire their coach

 

[roonster09]

I watched an hour long interview with Szoboszlai not long ago after he signed for Liverpool. He himself said that in the Bundesliga, he always had twice as much time on the ball to make a decision, and a lot more space in front of him after receiving the ball.

It's not some myth that die-hard PL fans try to sell as the real thing, the players and managers are very aware of this as well.

In England, you will be closed down quickly and you won't have that much time on the ball to make a decision.

The clip you posted is from a game where Arsenal played like City usually does at Old Trafford, and they dominated us. They just made some mistakes and we had to be very clinical to win that game. Most teams in the league will not play such a high line at Old Trafford, because they know that even during this banter era of ours we've had deadly transition players like Bruno or Rashford. And Arsenal have very athletic defenders like Saliba, White or Gabriel who can play high up the pitch. White almost got back in time to stop this Rashford goal.

What I said doesn't make the Bundesliga a bad league, though, and Sancho could be a useful player for a side that is a well-drilled unit against low-blocks and knows how to unlock them. His link-up play is actually very good, but that's not enough to make it in the PL. Van de Beek also has really good link-up play in tight spaces, but he struggled even at Everton. I bet he will find way more success in Frankfurt.

I don't doubt that Sancho would look way better and actually be useful for City, Arsenal or Liverpool. Not as a guaranteed starter, though. More of an impact sub with some starts here and there. It's just that he could never replicate his BL numbers even at those clubs, because there are very few players in the PL putting up 30-40 G/A in the league and Sancho isn't someone of that mould who we've just ruined. He's just not a good fit currently and he's probably burned his bridges at United with his totally unnecessary hissy fit on social media.

Tbf any player joining the new league will tell this, shouldn't be taken seriously.

 

[Gordon Godot]

Tbf any player joining the new league will tell this, shouldn't be taken seriously.

Why shouldn't they, you lost me? Lots of wingers have commented about how taken aback they were by speed and strength of full backs in PL. It also goes to physicality and strength on ball, which doesn't mean size but ability to ride challenges and resist pressure. Sancho and Antony simply don't have it, even the odd occasion they beat someone they were often immediately dispossessed and are easily shrugged off the ball. City have lots of physically small players who can do it, Grealish, Bernado Silva and Maddison are good examples of those who do have it.

 

[Zehner]

After starring for Bayer Leverkusen, Havertz joined Chelsea last month for £89m and has made five appearances for the Blues so far.

Havertz stressed that there aren't many differences between top flight football in England and Germany, but stressed that there 'aren't any average or bad players' in the Premier League.

Havertz told Chelsea's official website: ‘The Bundesliga isn't worse but I noticed differences. It seems to me like there aren't any average or bad players here – everybody is at a very high level.’

According to Kai its more about the quality of players


Who are these teams? Of the top 8, the coaches are Pep, Klopp, Arteta, Emery, Postecoglou, Moyes, De Zerbi, Ten Hag (all European coaches)

Is this why the worst striker in Man Utd history was a beast in Germany? So we just need to play like Wolfsburg or hire their coach

Pep, Klopp, Arteta, de Zerbi, Postecoglou.

I don't think anybody in Germany calls Weghorst a beast. Can't say I have seen him play more than a couple of times and probably wouldn't even recognize him in the streets but as far as I know he's a typical target striker who's good at heading, that's about it. I read you played him as a 10 which is.. interesting How could anyone doubt the decisions of a coach who is that brillant?

 

[V.O.]

Pep, Klopp, Arteta, de Zerbi, Postecoglou.

I don't think anybody in Germany calls Weghorst a beast. Can't say I have seen him play more than a couple of times and probably wouldn't even recognize him in the streets but as far as I know he's a typical target striker who's good at heading, that's about it. I read you played him as a 10 which is.. interesting How could anyone doubt the decisions of a coach who is that brillant?

Joke's on you. He's useless in the air as well.

 

[Zehner]

Joke's on you. He's useless in the air as well.

I honestly can't even tell. I'm sure you guys can think of players who scored relatively well in the EPL but never struck you as particularly good as well.

 

[kaiser1]

I honestly can't even tell. I'm sure you guys can think of players who scored relatively well in the EPL but never struck you as particularly good as well.

Solanke is close top of the scorer chart currently