I will put forward the argument that it was United who f***** up as we either didn't do a proper background check on his beahviour at Dortmund or we did and thought it didn't matter. Sancho has been consistent whereever he's been.
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I will put forward the argument that it was United who f***** up as we either didn't do a proper background check on his beahviour at Dortmund or we did and thought it didn't matter. Sancho has been consistent whereever he's been.
Good. We can sell him for more hopefully.
That’s sure one way of looking at it and putting zero responsibility on Sancho himself.
How did EtH “throw him under the bus” in public? It really was a throwaway comment where he said Sancho wasn’t in the squad because someone else deserved it because they trained better. EtH basically told the entire world why rashford was dropped (disciplinary reasons for being late), as an example. Did he also throw rashford under the bus? And how did rashford respond?
I also like how you’ve also basically just said that EtH giving Sancho paid time off didn’t really help Sancho. Like a manager going out of their way to try and help one of the highest paid members of his squad 3 months off….to get his head right. That’s not normal in this industry. Also, EtH and this coaching staff aren’t the only United manager who’s struggled to get the best out of Sancho.
I agree that we should “optimise” the environment for all our players. Advanced medicine, training facilities, nutrition…heck get them a laundry room and do their laundry - take some chores away from them so that they can focus on football. But when people say this about Sancho, they’re actually talking about “hire someone to go wake him up on time, let him play fifa as late as he wants, demand less from him during training & during matches - let him play and have fun”. That’s absolutely bobbins when you think about it. Imagine pandering that insanely to one players needs….you're just opening the door for every player to come with a list of demands. He’s an adult. He’s in a profession where he’s needed to be at his peak to perform - that means rest, training hard, be a committed professional. He gets paid an absolute fortune to deliver on these.
There’s a lot to criticise EtH for, heck it’s probably reasonable to even want him out. But to ask our players to have discipline and put in a maximise amount of effort is the very least we should expect from them. And I’ll support him on that count.
There’s a few reasons we’ve fallen this far behind the top clubs post SAF - and indulging overpaid players with these kinds of attitudes, is right up there. Alas, I’ve already expended way too much energy in this thread. Wishing it goes well for him over there and we manage to sell him for a decent enough fee.
Yes he has. But all little issues are overshadowed by how his history there ended:
I hope he does well for the rest of the season, so we can recoup as much as possible when we sell him in the summer.
Not comparing personality’s, mata was a complete professional. I mean from the point of view that neither have pace and neither are really wingers, both suit playing a link man in a ball playing team. Sancho does not suit our style
Refer you to my expanded reasoning
I don't see the point you're making here. You asked me how I would have answered the question and I gave you examples. Again, this was brought on by someone saying what Ferguson would have done and me speaking on what I know Ferguson did historically. I don't know where this "EtH's fault" stance you're arguing against is coming from.
Personally, I find it explainable why someone would disagree with their manager publicly if they feel what's being said publicly is not reflective of reality.
It's the purpose of a message board.
Bingo - get his market value back up
Given the context, this is a solid deal from many perspectives.
- He'll probably settle faster and perform better than he would if sent anywhere else - which would mean his value would increase more than going elsewhere
- From what's reported, that 4 million fee should more than offset the portion of his wages that we're still responsible for over the course of the loan term.
- We get rid of a toxic element that's in the squad and a distraction
I didn't have a go at ETH so not sure where you've got that assertion from but if you want to criticise a players training performance publicly then it's infantile to sulk when they challenge that claim back publicly. We're talking about grown adults here for christ sake, the idea that ETH sulked over it is hilarious.
I very much doubt it's the real reason the relationship broke down and he was kicked out of the team, there's no doubt something else more serious happened in training or he just wanted rid. There's no need to make more out of a tweet than it was just to support some hysterical side taking, always the same on here though with the childish insults.
He was shite here and he's gone, nothing much more to it.
You might be right and Sancho might have posted the truth - if something else happened that would mean that he wasn't out of the squad due to his training performance. And EtH might just have wanted to keep that whatever an internal matter by claiming performance reasons instead.
Anyone else feel Dortmund isn't the ideal destination from our point of view? Even if he regains form he can just return in the summer and say I want to go to Dortmund or no where, and other teams capable of paying any significant fee will worry that he only works well in Dortmund.
Given that the best I'm hoping for is some decent fee that can be reinvested it doesn't seem to be the best negotiating position come summer.
Given that the best I'm hoping for is some decent fee that can be reinvested it doesn't seem to be the best negotiating position come summer.
Again the quote from ETH has been most, it's mild criticism at best in response to a question. The idea that he has been made a scapegoat is laughable at best so no idea where he got that from. I think he truly is deluded. Anyway fully agree with your final point.
It's interesting to me that by not apologising, you could say he took the easy way out! as it would of been harder to resurrect his United career from where he found himself after the falling out, than it was to walk away.
You could then also claim going back to Dortmund is also the easy way out, as he isn't going somewhere he needs to prove himself.
But eventually he is going to have to get back on the grass and show what he can do. Dortmund are currently 5th in the table and score as many goals as they let in.
You could then also claim going back to Dortmund is also the easy way out, as he isn't going somewhere he needs to prove himself.
But eventually he is going to have to get back on the grass and show what he can do. Dortmund are currently 5th in the table and score as many goals as they let in.
He was late for his medical
Apologises in this vid..
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C19nbxdoheW/?igsh=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==
Yep I think it was a late at night thing.
Be amazed if he’s anywhere close to match fitness; by now, I’d think he would require a whole preseason worth of time to be up to speed.
Think this loan has a large likelihood of bombing.
Think this loan has a large likelihood of bombing.
"I'm back" sounds good to me and better than "I'll be back" because hopefully he won't come back to United.
Bundesliga defences are effectively a guard of honour for Sancho, he'll be fine and scoring loads.
We have a forward who's got 1,232mins with 0 goals and 0 assists to his name.
So? What’s your point? He’s been shit on the pitch but he hasn’t been unprofessional. Do you think you can imply your manager is lying via social media and waltz your way back into the team without an apology?
Hope he does well but only so we can sell him. He has some nice moves in the box occasionally but other than that rarely beats his man and was usually knackered and taken off around 60 minutes each match. We're really not missing much.
I think it's the place where he's most likely to settle quickly. I've not watched Dortmund this season but I think some of the other teams he played in at Dortmund were better, so wouldn't expect his performance levels to match the output of a few years ago, even if he plays well.
He put up good numbers when Alcacer was their main striker, so might not be a problem.
I think him demanding to go to a particular club isn't a Dortmund specific problem. If he went to Juventus or AC Milan on loan, he might love it there and only want to go there.
“I’m back”
Just say things and talk cause it’s way cooler than actually doing things
Just say things and talk cause it’s way cooler than actually doing things
Wishing injury on a player
I hope whereever he goes next season we play against him in Europe and someone snaps the little tw@t in half.
Horrible pathetic manchild.
Horrible pathetic manchild.
I have a feeling they will not buy him in summer. Will be another saga of a player we cannot sell
I see you have been online since this post, so I'll just repeat that lots of people are interested in that letter that apparently burned bridges with Bayern for Ten Hag.
I don't think so. It's the best we could do right now. If we tried to sell him we wouldn't get anything for him right now. Our best bet is him performing well in Dortmund and getting a decent fee for him in the summer.
It was, they show the time after that comment - 23:41, almost midnight.
United's tweet wishing him good luck is so out of touch with the fanbase.
What would a Tweet from them look like if it was in touch with the fan base?
Just announce it. Don't wish him any luck.
One of the two have to be the more (un)professional one 
A shitty message would be funnier for sure but pretty small time. It's in everyone's interests that he does well and has a good relationship with the club.
Or just announced the loan deal...Yeah. United should've said : Feck off, ya cnut.
Could someone explain the incessant need of people to film themselves having a haircut?
He'll be as bad as Martial was at Sevilla and he'll be back like a new signing in the summer along with Greenwood.
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