Its not even an age thing either. Beckham birthday is in May so he was 23 when 98/99 season started. Same age Sancho is now and he turns 24 in March.
I cant believe this guy hasnt apologised yet.
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Its not even an age thing either. Beckham birthday is in May so he was 23 when 98/99 season started. Same age Sancho is now and he turns 24 in March.
I cant believe this guy hasnt apologised yet.
It's not just EtH's words. Pep alluded to this as well. He had disciplinary issues at Dortmund. Lot of negatives for a player at this stage of his career.
True, but it doesn’t have to be in a light remotely comparable to Beckham to be a puff piece that warrants positive remarks. Sancho is a kid from South London - who bet on himself and is now a multimillionaire- there’s enough material there.
Yeah, well, I’m speaking of his time and situation at United - things don’t happen in a vacuum, true, however Sancho was a teenager at City who moved to another country and became top 5 most productive wingers in Europe for multiple seasons. You don’t do that without working hard to some extent. The same way people are using allusions from Pep as corroboration - I don’t believe that should be ignored in his favour.
and for clarification - I’m not saying EtH is lying - I’m just saying I don’t wholesale dismiss Sancho’s POV.
I don't get social media at all, can't you just delete the account and app?
I mean what is the point of it anyway, waste time looking through someone's photos album or reading a comment some person just throws out there.
I have no particular stance on Sancho, but by all accounts Hazard was a lazy player who barely trained and ate too much yet bossed the PL for several years.
There are plenty of players who are simply so talented that they can get be among the best in their leagues with minimum effort. So I wouldn’t use this to defend Sancho’s pov.
However as I said, I have no particular opinion on Sancho. If anything I just feel it’s a shame that we have come to this point with him
That's never going to happen, as it's a way for players to promote their brand and make more money from it. Remember when footballers boycotted social media for a weekend to take a stand against online abuse? That's how long they agreed they could feasibly go without it. 2 whole days.
I don’t know how anyone that watches or has played this sport can genuinely believe that you can become one of the most productive players in your position without some sort of hard work. it doesn’t even make sense statistically. Hazard enjoyed food and would turn up from preseason out of shape but he’d always play and train himself into shape.
Players careers are relatively short and in jeopardy every time they step into a pitch. A player’s form drops and fans and clubs are immediately contemplating getting rid. Social media allows them to build a profile which enables future opportunities/revenue streams and sponsorships/collaborations
It’s also how a substantial number of people socialise these days.
Get him out in Jan. Loan swap with Chiesa or someone of comparable quality.
Sell him in the summer for a loss and take that hit.
Sell him in the summer for a loss and take that hit.
But, but, but... he said on twitter that he'd do whatever he has to to keep fighting for the badge.
I can only assume he thinks whatever he has to do to fight for the badge is post some PR bollocks on twitter.
The lad got too much too soon, no drive or professionalism whatsoever.
TBF to the lad, I'm 44, if someone told me my bank balance was guaranteed to go up by £300k every week for the next 2 or 3 years I probably wouldn't get up and go to work tomorrow either.
I can only assume he thinks whatever he has to do to fight for the badge is post some PR bollocks on twitter.
The lad got too much too soon, no drive or professionalism whatsoever.
TBF to the lad, I'm 44, if someone told me my bank balance was guaranteed to go up by £300k every week for the next 2 or 3 years I probably wouldn't get up and go to work tomorrow either.
I can confidently say that there are semi pro footballers who work harder than many professional footballers. Sancho can't keep his job as a footballer. He couldn't work a full day job and then practice in the evenings and compete on the weekend.
Working hard as a teenager where you dismiss school and don't have responsibilities is a privileged life. Then you reach a point where you have to play against adults, adults who don't muck around. You get responsibilities. That's where professional players get separated from the likes of Sancho, Morrison, Adu etc. All the talent in the world won't do you much good if you don't have the head for professional football and when you take everything for granted.
I saw a 32 year old Premier League winner Lee Sharpe play football against semi-pros and he was consistently the worst footballer on the pitch. That's what happens when your head is gone.
I don't know if you guys do this thing where you seemingly misunderstand a simple statement then go on a tangent about something else entirely - as if you're responding to what was said - purposely or what. I don't even know what you're talking about
Me: Sancho was one of the most productive wingers in europe for multiple seasons - you don't achieve that without working hard to some extent/without some sort of hard work
You: I know some semi pro footballers with a full time job, who practice at night and compete on the weekend. Lee Sharpe played against semi-pros and was the worst player on the pitch
Me:
@TsuWave you’re doing well in here, keep going.
I particularly like the point about not simply dismissing Sancho’s POV.
We’ve all worked in teams & seen people highlighted for things others are not. You don’t need to sit in on training sessions to know that not every player performs at 100% every day, it’s simply impossible - what I got from his remarks is that he sees others performing badly in games/training without direct critique.
Sancho is a sensitive soul & the club appears to be too big for him but the guy could never kick a ball again & he’s reached a point in his profession nobody on this forum has.
If anyone on this forum felt wrongly criticised in a public meeting by their manager at work then said manager demanded an apology maybe we’d do it because you know, bills, roof over head but Sancho for whatever reason doesn’t want to/feel he should, that’s partially why I can’t dismiss his perspective.
I particularly like the point about not simply dismissing Sancho’s POV.
We’ve all worked in teams & seen people highlighted for things others are not. You don’t need to sit in on training sessions to know that not every player performs at 100% every day, it’s simply impossible - what I got from his remarks is that he sees others performing badly in games/training without direct critique.
Sancho is a sensitive soul & the club appears to be too big for him but the guy could never kick a ball again & he’s reached a point in his profession nobody on this forum has.
If anyone on this forum felt wrongly criticised in a public meeting by their manager at work then said manager demanded an apology maybe we’d do it because you know, bills, roof over head but Sancho for whatever reason doesn’t want to/feel he should, that’s partially why I can’t dismiss his perspective.
Like I said, it’s not about whether I believe it or not, it’s about players like Hazard saying it themselves or their own teammates.
Players who don’t really train but are uber talented
Of course it takes hard work to reach this level. But at this level the smallest of drop off in your mental strength or willingness to work, can plunder your performance levels and hence place in the team.
That’s not the conversation I’m having nor am I interested in. People used Pep’s supposed allusions as corroboration for Sancho’s in-training performance or lack thereof, and I simply said he was a teenager under Pep’s tutelage who then went on to become one of the most productive wingers in Europe - and you don’t do so without hard work. If Pep’s allusions are allowed into the conversation against him, then Sancho’s ascension since said allusions should too - in his favour.
Speculative conversations about drop-offs of whatever nature go back to my initial remark that we don’t really have much to go on besides EtH’s words, which Sancho evidently feels very strongly about not being reflective of reality/whole picture.
Wants to be a gangster so bad
Because he went to a club?
This forum must be filled with Al Capones and Corleones
Apologize and you get a chance to still play for Man Utd. This is the dream for hundreds of millions football fans. What's so difficult to apologize especially you are being paid 300K p/w?
Coward.
Is he back then? Ten Hag seemed to indicate he was available for selection again
Nah he said Sergio (as in Reguilon) but it sounded like Sancho
I had to double-take myself when I heard it
I had to double-take myself when I heard it
Ah right, I thought it would’ve been bigger news tbf. I think even the journalist misheard it as Sancho.
I hope he continues not to apologize. This club will do everything in its power to avoid taking a financial hit, even on such an underperforming asset. His lack of apology forces the clubs hand.
Depends what you consider "hard work." Obviously the player has to train and take the sport seriously, but if you're 18-20 years old with a good bit of natural talent, you absolutely can do well without putting in any more than an average work effort. We see it time and time again. Then that player grows a little older and/or moves to a tougher league, and suddenly it does take legitimately hard work to do well.
Look at the Golden Boy top 5 names from any given year in the past. Most of them never turn out to be world class, but they all had a couple of years where youthful energy, natural talent and the sheer enthusiasm of making it into senior football is enough. Even the actual winners don't always make it big. Point in case: Martial won it when he was the same age where Sancho was one of the most productive wingers in Europe. So did Pogba two years before, and Balotelli a few years prior. Can anyone really say that these players were known as hard workers? On the contrary, they were not; and once they arrived at a point in their careers where hard work was necessary in order to fulfill their potential, they didn't.
While I can't claim to know how hard Sancho works, he very much could have put in a middling effort and simply possessed enough raw talent and youthful vigour to overperform for a couple of years. Doubly so in the Bundesliga where so few clubs can really be counted amongst Europe's elite. It's a lot easier to be productive in a league whose second-best team is probably on par with Tottenham and whose third and fourth are comparable to the likes of Brighton and Aston Villa. It wasn't necessary to give 110% in order to do well there. Then you go to the Premier League and there's three, four, maybe even five clubs that are above you in the hierarchy, and another half-dozen that each represent two tough fixtures every season. The difference is night and day, and it's definitely possible for a young talent who doesn't work particularly hard to excel in the BL, only to fail in the PL.
At the end of the day, his attitude has been criticized since he was a youth player, and he has recently proven that this is still part of him. Plenty of other players have had a similar career arc. Unfortunately, they have an uncanny tendency to end up at this club.
Say what you want about Maguire but the difference in attitude proves exactly why Sancho is out of the side. I genuinely can't believe he'd rather go train with the u18's or whatever than even fake an apology.
All the players you've name dropped with the following sentence - "even the actual winners don't always make it big" - as if to corroborate what you're saying - have made it big/had a better career than the vast majority of players ever will - and of course they were hard workers. Hard work is a prerequisite to make it to the levels they did - what are we even talking about here? Jogging routines on the pitch and tracking back - is that how you're measuring hard-work? The notion that you can become one of the most productive wingers in Europe, for multiple seasons, without hard work is comical.
Have you ever played football - not as in a kick about in the park with mates - like, at a club level, even semi-professional? Go look up the number of kids that join academies, then look up the number that graduate and become professionals then contrast it with the number that make it to seemingly "elite" clubs. "Youthful vigour". feck's sake.
This mythology around the EPL's supposed strength becomes harder and harder to buy into when you see the performances of said clubs against european opposition, despite their considerably larger financial muscle. And even if that was the case, the disparity certainly isn't big enough to suggest the other leagues are so bad a lackadaisical individual would rise to the top out of talent and youthful vigour - especially when he also performed in the European stage, and the fact that said leagues are often the crucible(s) in which EPL's best talents are formed.
I guess the benchmark to have something proved to me is higher than it is for you because Sancho hasn't recently proved anything about his attitude to me. In fact, he's at a loggerheads with the manager because he feels strongly enough that the way he's been depicted isn't reflective of reality - to the point he's willing to nuke his career here. People point to allusions that were made about him as a youth player and dismiss his achievements since, I don't. Sancho hasn't produced for United like he's done for Dortmund, but United has been a poor club/team for a long time - and Sancho isn't an isolated case of promising players that underperform when joining this dysfunctional club.
I don't think that is His dream though.
Wants to be a gangster so bad
What? Is it because he's black?
You know there's no race pre-requisite to be a gangster right?
If you must know, its because he does those stupid gang signs in most photos he's in.
But yeah, let's just casually and subtlely accuse someone of being racist for a post from 10 days ago to score points online.
He's mixed race too, so the previous poster can't even get his race right.You know there's no race pre-requisite to be a gangster right?
If you must know, its because he does those stupid gang signs in most photos he's in.
But yeah, let's just casually and subtlely accuse someone of being racist for a post from 10 days ago to score points online.
You know there's no race pre-requisite to be a gangster right?
If you must know, its because he does those stupid gang signs in most photos he's in.
But yeah, let's just casually and subtlely accuse someone of being racist for a post from 10 days ago to score points online.
What gang sign has he made in that photo?
Sancho is child in a man's body. Little coward
And what would that apology get him apart from ocassional bench time? He still wouldn't start over ETH lovechild Antony so from his perspective why bother? He still trains and plays some footy, collects hefty paycheck all while Antony stinks place all over.
Now don't get me wrong, I dislike Sancho for poor attitude and want him out of the club, but ETH won't rotate even if his life depends on it so in Sancho case apology means shit.
At what point should Ten Hag have rotated? Sancho was in Holland for half of last season and hasn't showed anything when he was available. And that is despite poot performances from Anthony.
Not rotating with Sancho, but he could've played Garnacho or Rashford on the right occasionally, or change formation, anything but overplaying Antony who contributed nothing to this team.
I don't condone his behaviour, and we obviously don't know everything that has gone on behind the scenes, but it's very rare we make a big money signing who go onto be a success.
Pogba
Maguire
Antony (needs time)
Sancho
Lukaku
Di Maria
The club is very poorly ran, and we have no clue how to utilise these players effectively when signing them.
Don't get me wrong, its not all on the club, and of course the players need to take some responsibility, but we have no strategy and its why we're in such a mess when it comes to transfers.
Pogba
Maguire
Antony (needs time)
Sancho
Lukaku
Di Maria
The club is very poorly ran, and we have no clue how to utilise these players effectively when signing them.
Don't get me wrong, its not all on the club, and of course the players need to take some responsibility, but we have no strategy and its why we're in such a mess when it comes to transfers.
Extremely harsh.
My abiding memory of LVG is the time Di Maria came off at Turf Moor. LVG looked baffled, unsure as to why the player was coming off the pitch.
The way I see this debacle is admittedly from an assumption as I haven't been to training and I don't have their data from their sessions. But my guess is, like @AFC NimbleThumb , also that it's accepted that not every player is going to perform at 100% for the duration of every training session. That's just a fact of life I think. I've assumed though that for it to have got to this stage, what Sancho has been like must have been particularly egregious.
I also suspect though that we probably don't use technology or more modern methods such as those used in sports like cycling. There, the team gets their individual VO2 Max measured as a baseline, then if everyone is using professional quality monitors and GPS, a lot of data can be collated. It's also useful because while fitness is crucial in the PL because it just seems pretty hectic and brutal, training on skills, tactics, strategy also needs to happen and it can be a decent motivator as it should signal when 'fitness' work is overloading and becoming counter-productive.
Motivating these players is a big responsibility and they might just recoil from churn through 10km runs half-heartedly whereas practising techniques and strategies for the next game and how we're going to win it against this lot and are we all buying in to it could be a lot more beneficial.
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