[NotoriousISSY]

It's so obvious where this is going.

If EtH manages to withstand the current pressure and leads the team to some positive results, Sancho never plays for us again.

If EtH gets the boots because the disease remains, Sancho hopefully still gets the boot for being absolutely shite.

If there is one player I have no time for, it's him given the special treatment he got last season. We can't make the Martial mistake twice.

 

[crossy1686]

It's so obvious where this is going.

If EtH manages to withstand the current pressure and leads the team to some positive results, Sancho never plays for us again.

If EtH gets the boots because the disease remains, Sancho hopefully still gets the boot for being absolutely shite.

If there is one player I have no time for, it's him given the special treatment he got last season. We can't make the Martial mistake twice.

I’m fully under the impression that he’s been waiting for the manager to say or do something so he can force his way out and blame someone else. The reality is there’s a very easy fix for this and he’s back in the team and playing week in, week out.

It’s not worked out for him here, he’s too busy worrying about what people are saying about him on social media and over the mic when he’s playing FIFA. He hates the scrutiny and he wants to go where people think he’s ‘good’ again.

 

[Ubik]

Do Inter still have money? One of the few clubs we've successfully sold to.

 

[redcucumber]

Tbh, yes. He's training separately from the squad so no way he'd be allowed around them on match day............... and players not in the playing squad usually wouldn't fly to Germany. Do Varane, DVB, Shaw, Malacia etc all have bad attitudes too because they stayed in the UK?

I'm not a fan of Sancho and do believe his attitude is bad. This situation isn't the ammunition to back up that argument though.

I find it really hard to believe if he'd gone to ten Hag cap in hand and asked if could travel with them to Munich to show his support that the gaffer would have said no, but who knows. It's very odd to compare the situations of Varane, Shaw et al. to Sancho. Sancho made a social media post undermining his manager. He's got to make an effort to make amends. The other lot are injured. Does the distinction between the two situations really need to be made?

 

[quadrant]

Best if he goes asap. We have so many problems with attitudes at this club that its not even worth taking the risk. Even if he apologises just to get back in the team, I see very little likihood this guy transforms into a warrior. We've spent too long over the last decade saying "He's talented, but...." to waste time with another.

 

[izak]

Yeah 7pm when he’s not selected for the team and off the clock he should be running a triathlon

Yep if that's what it'll take to get back in shape, he's a bad egg he needs to be kick out ASAP.

 

[TsuWave]

Yep if that's what it'll take to get back in shape, he's a bad egg he needs to be kick out ASAP.

I don’t know anywhere near enough about Sancho to label him a bad egg, but I also don’t disagree that parting ways is likely the best outcome for all, but the notion of being outraged at an individual playing video games in their time is comical.

 

[pratyush_utd]

Then what happens when you want to sign someone, but can’t because of FFP? I can’t see who benefits there, other than Sancho being paid £40- odd million over the next 3 years for doing nothing.

I have said it thousand times i guess, its better to take pain in short term, than create bad standards which will be exploited again and again. We have been setting bad examples for a decade now, and have the same issues of players leaking to media and refusing to leave.

 

[NicolaSacco]

I have said it thousand times i guess, its better to take pain in short term, than create bad standards which will be exploited again and again. We have been setting bad examples for a decade now, and have the same issues of players leaking to media and refusing to leave.

I don’t necessarily think you’re wrong. It’s about weighing up principles vs pragmatism though. Do you think if, for example you’d agreed a fee for Frenkie De Jong, but could only do it if you raised some of the money from a sale (even 10-15m), that you would still stick to your principles and miss out on the player? It’s a tough one.

 

[UnitedSofa]

 

[Plastic Evra]

For money for Kane or for money & Kane ?
Confusing phrasing !
If true I can't believe you can barter him for too much in that sort of deal, high risk... but Spurs with a new coach and philosophy wasn't a bad idea and could have had high reward out of it, possibly.

 

[izak]

I don’t know anywhere near enough about Sancho to label him a bad egg, but I also don’t disagree that parting ways is likely the best outcome for all, but the notion of being outraged at an individual playing video games in their time is comical.

You do realised why he's got time to play video game is because he's not been training well or conducting himself well like a Manutd player should?

Would he be playing games an hour to UCL football if he trained well and also conducted himself Well?

 

[GazTheLegend]

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Whoever the feck "centredevils" are should be blocked as a source.

 

[NicolaSacco]

For money for Kane or for money & Kane ?
Confusing phrasing !
If true I can't believe you can barter him for too much in that sort of deal, high risk... but Spurs with a new coach and philosophy wasn't a bad idea and could have had high reward out of it, possibly.

Yeah that is more than bad phrasing, it doesn’t make sense! It seems like an absolutely massive deal to be done via a swap, I’d have been amazed to see it.

 

[TsuWave]

You do realised why he's got time to play video game is because he's not been training well or conducting himself well like a Manutd player should?

Would he be playing games an hour to UCL football if he trained well and also conducted himself Well?

The manager said he didn't train well, and he publicly disagreed with that declaration - which got him sanctioned, when asked to apologise to the manager he refused because he feels strongly about it. Is he right? I don't know. Managers are not infallible, and he's reportedly had previous similar issues (which doesn't necessarily translate into him culpable in this instance) - hence "I don't know anywhere near enough about Sancho to label him xyz", and - "parting ways is likely the best outcome for all involved"

How does that justify being outraged he was playing videogames on his time? Fact of the matter is he was off the clock

Like I said - comical

 

[Ollie Derbyshire]

Biggest disappointment I’ve seen here in a long time, I had high hopes for him but if as it looks he’s not up for it then we need to move him on we can’t keep keeping players who are either good enough or up for the fight.

 

[Mercurial]

I’m not a Sancho fan at all but playing games during a match build-up is a nothing story. Most armchair fans can’t be bothered with modern ‘analysis’ and punditry’, let alone an INactive pro.

Fixed

 

[USREDEVIL]

I imagine if this was going to be resolved, it would have been by now.
I think Sancho is going to get sold in the winter window and he'll never play for us again. And i have no problem with that.

 

[UnitedSofa]

Whoever the feck "centredevils" are should be blocked as a source.

Well they’re not a source for a start……

 

[clarkydaz]

I imagine if this was going to be resolved, it would have been by now.
I think Sancho is going to get sold in the winter window and he'll never play for us again. And i have no problem with that.

yeah i dont really care, cant come quick enough really. only thing is we will likely mess up the sale somehow

 

[sincher]

Still deeply unconvinced about this from a managerial perspective. If Sancho has not been training well, that should definitely be dealt with internally. And does he really deserve to be singled out and excommunicated in this way? What about Casemiro turning up for pre-season so blatantly unfit that it has badly leaked into the season and caused a huge problem in midfield?

 

[reddev3]

Still deeply unconvinced about this from a managerial perspective. If Sancho has not been training well, that should definitely be dealt with internally. And does he really deserve to be singled out and excommunicated in this way? What about Casemiro turning up for pre-season so blatantly unfit that it has badly leaked into the season and caused a huge problem in midfield?

He's been banished for his twitter post basically calling his manager a liar to the whole world, not for training poorly.

 

[Grande]

Still deeply unconvinced about this from a managerial perspective. If Sancho has not been training well, that should definitely be dealt with internally. And does he really deserve to be singled out and excommunicated in this way? What about Casemiro turning up for pre-season so blatantly unfit that it has badly leaked into the season and caused a huge problem in midfield?

So you assume 1) that Sancho’s training efforts haven’t been dealt with internally. Do you have any basis for that assumption? To me that seems very unlikely.
And 2) that he hasn’t done anything to deserve to be singled out. That sounds like you know how his efforts and behaviour has been and that he hasn’t done anything else than what his teammates have. Do you have any basis for this? That would also seem unlikely.

I guess what we know, is that the one personwho have seen him and all his teammates in training for over a year, has singled him out for not doing enough in training to get in the squad. That’s the beat piece of evidence we’ve got, in fact the only piece. Unless you are privy to lots of inside information from the traing ground that is.

 

[FerociousCorgis]

Still deeply unconvinced about this from a managerial perspective. If Sancho has not been training well, that should definitely be dealt with internally. And does he really deserve to be singled out and excommunicated in this way? What about Casemiro turning up for pre-season so blatantly unfit that it has badly leaked into the season and caused a huge problem in midfield?

it was literally a single comment EtH gave on explaining his absence. Considering all the leeway sancho has been given here i think it was perfectly acceptable. It wasnt some full blown mourinho level tirade or something where he questioned his manhood or whatever. Sancho has completely blown this shit out of proportion and frankly looks pathetic at this point. Dude is one of the highest earners on the team and this is how he wants to act? give me a break.

 

[Hughes35]

I find it really hard to believe if he'd gone to ten Hag cap in hand and asked if could travel with them to Munich to show his support that the gaffer would have said no, but who knows. It's very odd to compare the situations of Varane, Shaw et al. to Sancho. Sancho made a social media post undermining his manager. He's got to make an effort to make amends. The other lot are injured. Does the distinction between the two situations really need to be made?

The distinction needs to be made because its LESS likely Sancho would travel. Hence why its strange to use this situation as ammunition to have a go at him.

Have a go at him using the multiple real issues he has. Not a manufactured one.

 

[V.O.]

Still deeply unconvinced about this from a managerial perspective. If Sancho has not been training well, that should definitely be dealt with internally. And does he really deserve to be singled out and excommunicated in this way? What about Casemiro turning up for pre-season so blatantly unfit that it has badly leaked into the season and caused a huge problem in midfield?

He gave the mildest non-explanation for Sancho not being picked, it's not like there'd be no way back from "other players trained better than him this week". Sancho has made it the big deal it is now himself.

It's not as though Ten Hag has been a new Jose throwing players under the bus left and right. He's been the opposite, and very careful with his words even with players who are done here and that we actively want rid of.

 

[big_jeffstar]

It’s almost like Dortmund openly admitting they had to make him shadow Haaland to hope some professionalism would rub off on him, was a sign of things to come

 

[Kellyiom]

If he refuses to apologise, reduce his wages for gross misconduct. Fine him the week wages until he gets back to training with the team. He really should have stayed in Germany, if only the media machine would have let him..

If I were the club I'd look to terminate his contract so he wouldn't get a big payout by saying he's in breach of his contract by not being prepared correctly to play. Or maybe try and claim off the insurance using his mood disorder or whatever illness he's got (if any!) to say it renders him unable to play, just as much as a bad physical injury.

 

[crossy1686]

Still deeply unconvinced about this from a managerial perspective. If Sancho has not been training well, that should definitely be dealt with internally. And does he really deserve to be singled out and excommunicated in this way? What about Casemiro turning up for pre-season so blatantly unfit that it has badly leaked into the season and caused a huge problem in midfield?

He's refusing to apologise for calling his manager a liar. There's nothing to deal with until he tries to re-build the bridge he burnt down.

 

[SER19]

Hope weve learned from Pogba and Lingard stinking out the place for too long. Dump this clown in January and continue to show that the manager is the boss.

 

[jesperjaap]

It's so obvious where this is going.

If EtH manages to withstand the current pressure and leads the team to some positive results, Sancho never plays for us again.

If EtH gets the boots because the disease remains, Sancho hopefully still gets the boot for being absolutely shite.

If there is one player I have no time for, it's him given the special treatment he got last season. We can't make the Martial mistake twice.

He shold have been sold in the summer considering all the options we already have on the flanks, he was one of only 2/3 possible high value sales we could and should have made. Partly wonder as the rumors came out a while ago if ironcally he was kept de to concerns over Antony and his off field problems cropping up this season?

 

[jesperjaap]

The manager said he didn't train well, and he publicly disagreed with that declaration - which got him sanctioned, when asked to apologise to the manager he refused because he feels strongly about it. Is he right? I don't know. Managers are not infallible, and he's reportedly had previous similar issues (which doesn't necessarily translate into him culpable in this instance) - hence "I don't know anywhere near enough about Sancho to label him xyz", and - "parting ways is likely the best outcome for all involved"

How does that justify being outraged he was playing videogames on his time? Fact of the matter is he was off the clock

Like I said - comical

My initial feeling was ETH didt handle the sitation well with the public comment, as many have said, shold be done internally. Now I wonder, or actually more hope as would be stronger managerment, if it was a prposeful pwer move by ETH. Feeling is he had ran out of patience and hope with Sancho and the continuing problems and decided he isnt playing for the club again and that not meeting standards, your career will be over here. What made me sick was the stories of Arnold getting involced, molly coddling a player and almost undermining the managers decisions.

As for Sancho.my gut feeling is he has just showed a weak mentality. Even if he thinks he has trained really well you dont post so on social media, you dont refuse to apologise to the boss, that is star ego from a player.....a player since he has been here has absoltely no reason to have an ego. A proper mentality wold have been "right I will show you, I will train 10% harder than the good training I have showed and when I play, I will show you how valuable I am.

In interviews when at DOrtmund, Sancho came across as confident with a real drive to become a world class player.

Seems to me a case of someone who whe things are going well is a real asset.....when tmes are tough, doesnt accept responsibility and crumbles. We seem t have had a lot of our talented players showign that mentality the last few seasons sadly.

This is now his third season, long eoughfor him to make his mark and he has failed and failed badly. As a poster said earlier, we cant make the same msitake again as we did with Martial....and a few othernames too.

Shold be sold. I am almost glad of the crrent sitation. People wold say he will be hard to move on with his wages, wanting to go as he probably will by Janary....they wont be sch a problem. What actually would be the biggest problem selling him is the boards relucatance and embarrassment having paid so much for him, it has happened with 2/3 players the ast few years, pnly lukaku was a failed big money buy moved on quickly from memory. But that shouldnt be a problem now as the club will be desperate to mkove him on.

Shame as he is a talent, but personally, good riddance, we have paid a fortune for him in fee and wages and he hasnt jst bee rubbish, his attitude seems to have been too

 

[RedDevil@84]

Hope weve learned from Pogba and Lingard stinking out the place for too long. Dump this clown in January and continue to show that the manager is the boss.

We owe him ridiculous amount of money

 

[TsuWave]

As for Sancho.my gut feeling is he has just showed a weak mentality. Even if he thinks he has trained really well you dont post so on social media, you dont refuse to apologise to the boss,

I don’t know about that - if I feel I’ve done nothing wrong and I’m being told I have in public and to apologise on top of it? I don’t see myself doing it. People are different though - and I’m not even saying Sancho is right or justified. Interestingly there were reports today that some squad members don’t agree with his treatment - that could very well have been fed by Sancho’s camp - or it could be that some maybe feel he wasn’t wrong in this instance.

Fact of the matter is that United isn’t at the pinnacle of football as it used to be. Sure we pay really high wages but we don’t carry the same prestige we used to, so for some players standing on their pride even if it means the end of their career here is an easier decision now than it would have been years ago.

EtH needs results fast and a recognisable coherent style of play. Sell Sancho, Mctominay, Maguire asap.

 

[Sarni]

Be at the stadium with his teammates and friends to support and cheer them on? Or has he been forcibly prohibited from being around the squad at all times? Would seem like an easy win to paint himself in a more positive light, to his manager, club, fans and the media/public.

He isn’t allowed to train with the first team and will very likely be banned from traveling with them as well.

 

[Bondi77]

I find this thread really depressing.

 

[NotChatGPT]

Sancho playing FIFA, or anything else for that matter, is a bizarre thing to rant about, it should be the least of our concerns regarding him. Unless players are fecking about getting shitfaced, which will definetely have a negative impact on their fitness and performances, or getting in legal troubles, i couldn’t be less bothered about what they do or don’t do when they aren’t in the squad. He’s prohibited from training with the first team squad until he goes public with an apology, and players that aren’t in the squad rarely travel for away matches anyway..Makes zero sense to have him travel.

In terms of the rest, having to apologize even though you feel you haven’t actually done something wrong, is a pretty standard thing about growing up, sometimes you do it just because it makes the most sense. He’s been told in no uncertain terms that he has to apologize if he wants to be involved with the first team again. It’s not like the social media post was that problematic, not as if he went full Ronaldo, so should hardly be that difficult to accept the situation as it is. Common sense dictate you more or less instantly apologize to the manager, go public and say it was written in frustration and then make an effort to show improvement. It’s somewhat mental that he has missed 3 matches (Brighton, Bayern and now Burnley) after he’s been told to apologize to get back into the first team. Every match that goes by makes it increasingly difficult to allow him to play for the first team again, and it’s not like the manager can back down either. The path to the first team was hardly complicated considering how our forwards are performing, with Anthony out of the picture as well, so he’d have to be a complete moron to not suck it up and apologize.

Not sure why Ten Hag is getting stick for his approach, he’s hardly the manager to throw someone under the bus and his responses are usually proportional to whatever the players involved have done. In Sancho’s case, it’s well documented that he has his issues, he had similar issues at Dortmund but he was consistently performing at a very high level so it’s easier to get away with it. Ten Hag has tried multiple approaches, to the point of sending him on a training camp to regain full fitness again, he has always backed him in public, now we’re at the last resort.

Disaster of a situation. Ability wise, Sancho should be one of our key players, especially with someone like Højlund on top. Then there’s the financial side of it.

 

[OleGunnar20]

Can't wait to never see this waste of space play for us again. Such high hopes, shame.

 

[Tap]

Still deeply unconvinced about this from a managerial perspective. If Sancho has not been training well, that should definitely be dealt with internally. And does he really deserve to be singled out and excommunicated in this way? What about Casemiro turning up for pre-season so blatantly unfit that it has badly leaked into the season and caused a huge problem in midfield?

Casemiro did not cause a big stir on social media, unlike sancho

 

[tentan]

For money for Kane or for money & Kane ?
Confusing phrasing !
If true I can't believe you can barter him for too much in that sort of deal, high risk... but Spurs with a new coach and philosophy wasn't a bad idea and could have had high reward out of it, possibly.

Yeah that is more than bad phrasing, it doesn’t make sense! It seems like an absolutely massive deal to be done via a swap, I’d have been amazed to see it.

He wouldn't get in the Spurs team.