Probably have to pay Dortmund a €10M add-on if he wins the Champions League: Coutinho 2.0.
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In the end, he is nothing special, sadly.
He should not be anywhere near us. Non professional and don't take football serious. It is just like Pogba and Lingard.
He had one good game in Dortmund shirt and some people say "look, he is that good". Except game against PSG at home, he has been just a passenger. If that.
Bit harsh, he actually put a good defensive shift in for a lot of the game and retained possession high up the pitch well when he could. Created extremely little though. At the end he was back to being billy big bollocks and nearly causing an issue for his team.
If United ever want to get back to the top of the pyramid we need a strict no dickheads policy.
Madrid, Bayern, City etc. wouldn't put up with Sancho's silliness. If Dortmund want to indulge him that's up to them but it's pretty small time. I'm glad Ten Hag told him where to go. Best thing he did all season.
I agree with this. I just wonder if United actually has reached a level were they can't afford such a "no dickheads policy" without hurting themselves. I am aware that I make no friends on this forum with this question, but nonetheless that's how I feel about the whole Sancho situation.
Sancho is pretty much like Pogba.
The talent is undeniable but these players will only turn up for 10 games a season. And the sad thing is that you can't predict those 10 games to get maximum output.
They will be crap for weeks and then suddenly have an absolute belter of a game, in other times they will be really good for a few games and then suddenly fall of a cliff...
The talent is undeniable but these players will only turn up for 10 games a season. And the sad thing is that you can't predict those 10 games to get maximum output.
They will be crap for weeks and then suddenly have an absolute belter of a game, in other times they will be really good for a few games and then suddenly fall of a cliff...
Yes we can afford to not have absolute wasters around.
Sancho literally had special treatment last season. He was afforded a months long, mid-season sabbatical, to sort out his apparent mental issues. He came back, clearly had training issues (which is a pattern with him predating Ten Hag and even United), then reacted like a petulant child to a fairly innocuous press-conference comment.
He's been a non-entity for us basically the entire time he's been here. We stand to gain nothing from pandering to him, and just risk pissing off other players.
What are you trying to say with this link?
At United he's not good enough. It's not as if he had 5 games and was harshly treated. But in fact he played under different managers and showed little so it's not something specific to this manager or team.
Looks like a player that if he's indulged can show better performances. At the top clubs they won't have that, they'll expect him to be present just like everyone else. Which is why he's back at Dortmund.
Won't be back at a top club until he shows numerous seasons of discipline and performance.
Looks like a player that if he's indulged can show better performances. At the top clubs they won't have that, they'll expect him to be present just like everyone else. Which is why he's back at Dortmund.
Won't be back at a top club until he shows numerous seasons of discipline and performance.
Coincidentally, that’s the same for training sessions
All things considered the guy's a frontrunner for worst signing of the last 10 years, and let's not forget this is an absolutely stacked category (last 2 seasons easily have a couple of candidates). It's baffling how one or two matches (not even a run of games) can change the narrative for a lot of people.
Be absolutely hilarious if United recalled him from his loan they day before the final, and yea they can
Can we actually do this?! Obviously we wouldn't but would be hilarious.
So we're a 'top club' and we couldn't get out of the group stages and 8th in the Premier League, while Dortmund aren't but are one game away from the Champions League? Makes sense.
I don’t know the exact terms but yea we can terminate the loan at any stage, how long it takes with FIFA I don’t know, probably a week
This would be amazing. He did say would always fight for the badge
It's almost like there's more to being a top club than one season performing above expectation in a single tournament...
What top expectations do Manchester United have?
Did you read what I wrote? If so, did you understand it?
Just read up on it, on a season long loan can only be recalled during January window only, so no we can’t recall himThis would be amazing. He did say would always fight for the badge
Ah well, was an inventive thoughtJust read up on it, on a season long loan can only be recalled during January window only, so no we can’t recall him
You'd have loved to see it.We haven't made the semi-finals of the Champions League in 13 years.
You're still not speaking to my point. About there being more to being a top CLUB...
They don't have Onana in goal
Dortmund have 81,000 fans every week, they’re a big enough club, just seems funny for someone to say he can’t do it at a ‘top club’. Can’t do it at one ‘top club’ that is a complete basket case and has many times more failures than successes over the past 10 years. Di Maria couldn’t do it consistently at this top club and his career turned out just fine.
So you're agreeing that Dortmund aren't a top club then?
To be clear, I'm taking issue with the below, which seems to equate results in a one off tournament with being a 'top club'.
I'm not saying that Dortmund aren't a big club but there are levels in terms of scrutiny and pressure that come with being a 'top club' and Dortmund are levels below United, whether they win the CL this year or not.
How do you know how Sancho would do outside of United though? We’re a bad example given how many players have failed here.
I haven't said anything about how he'd do outside of united, have I? I'm just taking issue with you knocking United's status as top club simply because Dortmund (and a player you clearly like) made it to a CL final.
If that is so how come we keep getting served up the same shit, over and over again? There's less pressure on Sancho in Dortmund because he doesn't have the price tag or the 18months of non performance for them.
I'd argue under performing footballers have few places where they can keep under performing for longer times in relation to their pay than us currently.
I just took issue with the idea that succeeding at Dortmund and failing at United is because you can’t handle a top club, when I don’t think United is a good guide on a player. It’s the same sort of train of thought as the farmers league or x player couldn’t hack it in England, therefore they’re no good as a player despite there being so many other factors of why a player doesn’t fit in at a club and doesn’t seem to go the other way when Premier League players fail in other leagues. Players go to clubs for big money and fail. Look at the top 20 transfers of all time, full of failures. Happens all the time.
anyway I consider United a bigger club than Dortmund overall, bigger fanbase and bigger wages, but we are pretty irrelevant at the latter stages in the CL now for quite a while.
I don’t agree that succeeding at Dortmund and failing at United is because you can’t handle a top club.
That's my point though. The level of scrutiny at united is higher, and Sancho wilts as a result...
But it's not. If it was we'd hardly be in a position to hope harry maguire returns to fitness because he would have been shipped years ago, and every subsequent center back who wasn't up to standard too. The reality is we haven't had true leadership for years, hopefully it'll change soon. Players have been performing mediocre for years without getting replaced (unless their contract eventually runs out). The only place players at united face more pressure than at other clubs is on social media.
A. The financial benefits to United of him winning a CL.
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B. Or the schadenfreude-tastic vision of seeing his tears after losing a CL final.
A big fat B for me.
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B. Or the schadenfreude-tastic vision of seeing his tears after losing a CL final.
A big fat B for me.
Down to Sancho to stop the evil empire in the final.
I'm a little annoyed with the English reporters and pundits suddenly realising he's not crap just because they started paying attention to him as he's an ex United player. He played better for Dortmund before he came to United and was largely ignored.
I'd say it's more that as the team hasn't been doing well in his time here he has to put in more effort and doesn't want to. It's unfortunate but it hasn't worked and there's no reason to think it would be better under a different manager.
I'd say it's more that as the team hasn't been doing well in his time here he has to put in more effort and doesn't want to. It's unfortunate but it hasn't worked and there's no reason to think it would be better under a different manager.
Sorry, that's just not true. Internally players may not be challenged by the powers that be as much as they could have been (though given how ETH has dealt with Sancho I'd say that's very debatable in his case), but they face more pressure in the media than at other clubs as well. United are the biggest game in town for the UK, so of course there's more scrutiny from the media, both in print and online.
Wouldn’t mind Dortmund ending the Madrid circle jerk in the final (they won’t). Jadon’s market value spikes, we sell and move on.
He looked weak and uninterested in his time here. I thought he looked completed unsuited to the rigors of English football. A guy who would do okay if things are going well but is not a fighter and would just go through the motions when the going gets tough.
His market value right now would be the highest it has been since we bought him. We need to talk with BVB (or someone else) and find a way to offload him to them. However, if they act like smart-asses and want another loan for him, then I rather have him come back and be a part of our squad. Enough of getting short changed by these clubs who take us for fools. I would rather we take some short term losses in order to show everyone that we are not to be taken lightly.
His market value right now would be the highest it has been since we bought him. We need to talk with BVB (or someone else) and find a way to offload him to them. However, if they act like smart-asses and want another loan for him, then I rather have him come back and be a part of our squad. Enough of getting short changed by these clubs who take us for fools. I would rather we take some short term losses in order to show everyone that we are not to be taken lightly.
Print is about as relevant as we are these days. So the Sun, Guardian, etc. putting out more articles on United than on Chelsea is what's keeping our players from performing?
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