[kouroux]

Part of the problem is down to culture at the club. The exact type of culture that Sanco represents.

You get rid and set examples that are to be followed.

Or we will just simply reset the cycle, new manager, new rough patch, players cant be bothered and yada yada. Sounds great.

lets hope we get a decent fee for sancho

I agree that the culture is wrong at the club. I just think that it will be tough to weed out all the problems this coming summer.
The solution to our struggles will come from a combo of new players+new coaching team+ current players finding back some form.
I'm not advocating that he stays by any means but if it comes down to selling him at a reduced price or keeping him, I'd go with the latter.
We won't be able to get rid of all the problematic players in one summer

 

[Banana Republic]

He was vey good, but lets remember its a CL semi final. Not Bournemouth away

Yes I forgot.
It was only PSG.
Not Bournemouth.

 

[Ole'sattheWheel]

He was vey good, but lets remember its a CL semi final. Not Bournemouth away

Yeah my thought exactly. Easy to motivate yourself for a CL semi when everything is going swimmingly. But if your teams in shit form getting waheyd by a load of fans of a team you should be leathering then he’s the exact type of player to just check out instead of drag his team through it

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

People will watch that match and see these stats and then still say it was "typical Sancho"

 

[Baneofthegame]

Thought he was Dortmunds best player tonight, great game.

 

[Dve]

He was vey good, but lets remember its a CL semi final. Not Bournemouth away

Frankly, I think it has more to do with the time of year. He's always been good late in the season when he has had x number of games to run himself into form. Just wait for the fall when he comes back slightly overweight after having spend his vacation at McDonalds.

 

[Damien]

Clip is 2 mins long so a lot more is said than the text in the X.

 

[Idxomer]

One of the all-time great performances without a goal or an assist at this stage of the CL.

 

[Irwin99]

Kagawa, Mikhitaryan and now Sancho. All looked class for Dortmund (especially in the CL) but (mostly) shite in the Premier League. Almost as though there’s a pattern here. Certainly enough of a pattern to rule out bringing him back because of a few good games for them in the CL. Definitely for the best that he’s playing well for them though. If we can get a half decent fee it will offset the inevitable loss slightly.

Another pattern is that those weren't explosive players but apparently more refined, 'classier' players that we always seem to struggle with integrating for whatever reason. I hate it when we hear the phrase 'United DNA' but there's an argument to be made that we prefer quick, aggressive wingers and strong number 10s. Character and physical presence count for a lot here.

 

[Irrational.]

It's a lose lose situation for us.

If ETH is sacked and he comes back (I don't feel the two can coexist in the same club) then it sets the wrong precedent about player power.

If we decide to cash in, we are getting nowhere near what we paid for him.

 

[Ludens the Red]

its been pretty typical. if this is the standard we're aiming to upgrade to, then our expectations are pretty low. there's been a predictable collective overreaction every time he has done anything thats basically expected of an attacking player. goal, assist, or a few dribbkes, the bar is so low for him for some reason. As I said, expect a combiation of a comeback story, and some ten hag animosity drives the over reacting. People forget he was truly woeful under solskjaer too. Just an ordinary player

Agree with the premise of this. He did play well tonight but I feel everyone’s been desperate and waiting to praise him at every opportunity to make this “story”. He’s actually been average overall since going back to Dortmund. Stats aren’t that great either and despite their CL run, they’re well off the pace domestically (may not even qualify for cl next year) so he’s hardly propelled them to high levels.
He had a great game tonight and it should be looked at in isolation. He has no future at United and his failure there is a lot to do with himself.

 

[JB08]

Genuinely unsure why people think one/two/three impressive performances for Dortmund mean he is good enough to play for us. Massive difference from a few good, low-pressure performances when playing on loan for another club with less worldwide media spotlight. He has done absolutely nothing here to suggest he's good enough to play in the Premier League.

 

[always_hoping]

He was good with Dortmund before joining United. Was poor and rarely performed well under Ole, didn't perform under Rangnick, and then started very well under ten Hag before things went down hill with Sancho so unprofessional. I'd prefer to bring one of the home grown players through than ever bring him back to Old Trafford.

 

[Chairman Steve]

Axel Tuanzebe put in a world class performance against Mbappe and PSG once.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Another pattern is that those weren't explosive players but apparently more refined, 'classier' players that we always seem to struggle with integrating for whatever reason. I hate it when we hear the phrase 'United DNA' but there's an argument to be made that we prefer quick, aggressive wingers and strong number 10s. Character and physical presence count for a lot here.

Yeah, maybe. Although Mikhitaryan flopping at Arsenal did kind of reinforce that the issue is the league, rather than the club. It’s not as though there aren’t a bunch of other attacking players who looked class in Germany but bang average in the PL. The strike rate from that league has always been fairly low.

 

[Gabriel Djemba-Bebe]

It's a lose lose situation for us.

If ETH is sacked and he comes back (I don't feel the two can coexist in the same club) then it sets the wrong precedent about player power.

If we decide to cash in, we are getting nowhere near what we paid for him.

We need to accept the fact that, due to the mistakes of the previous regime, we very rarely make a profit on any of our players, asides from Dan James.

If Sancho gets to a CL final with Dortmund and maybe even contributes to them winning the competition, then that's an extra few million quid for us in the summer. It's a win-win situation in my opinion.

 

[clarkydaz]

Yes I forgot.
It was only PSG.
Not Bournemouth.

well done for missing the point

 

[UnofficialDevil]

Let's not forget ETH played him as a striker for the whole preseason.
I Would personally prefer Sancho to Antony.

 

[Gabriel Djemba-Bebe]

Let's not forget ETH played him as a striker for the whole preseason.
I Would personally prefer Sancho to Antony.

Why not get rid of both?

 

[Remember the geese]

I don't care how well he plays for Dortmund. I don't want him back.

 

[DRJosh]

Sancho is a superb talent and yes there is an unfortunate lack of professionalism to his overall career. However… I feel the constant disarray at United (e.g poor performances and lack of conviction from players to give it their all) coupled with poor football management personnel at the helm has let him down severely as a player who needs to be part of a well-oiled team to succeed.

I hope he doesn’t rejoin us. It isn’t a healthy match-up. For football to win, Sancho needs to stay at Dortmund.

 

[TsuWave]

Love to see a player doing well

 

[Irwin99]

Let's not forget ETH played him as a striker for the whole preseason.
I Would personally prefer Sancho to Antony.

I think their United stats are almost identical in appearances and goals at this point (and both are very bad!) but the argument has always been Antony will always work hard in a much more physically demanding league, though Sancho is the more gifted player technically.

I remember last season we conceded a goal in the Europa League where Sancho just couldn't have been less interested in tracking back and was subbed at half time as a result of this. I genuinely think people forget how bad it was at times with his workrate.

 

[always_hoping]

Axel Tuanzebe put in a world class performance against Mbappe and PSG once.

That's true did TNT coverage remind anyone of that?

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

Axel Tuanzebe put in a world class performance against Mbappe and PSG once.

Sancho has put in plenty.

 

[TsuWave]

He deserves another chance under a proper structure.

underrated post

 

[Pickle85]

underrated post

How?

 

[TsuWave]

How?

I just found it funny, brother. I don't want to fight

then went on strike when the manager said something that upset him. He was more than happy to spend six months off playing FIFA at home while getting paid a fortune. Then he has one decent game and people think it’s gonna be different the second time around? It’s madness. Dortmund can keep him.

Sancho never went on strike, by the way

 

[frostbite]

He was the best player in the game. And this was a CL semi-final, a very important game.

 

[TsuWave]

I knew he had it in him. The technical fundamentals are too strong

United continues to be a pit for talent, unfortunately. Hopefully he does well, football needs more technical players shining

 

[lost7]

He may be an incredibly talented player, but we need consistent players. I'm tired of part time ballers like Rashy who have a world class spell of 3 months every 2 years and Sancho is similarly terribly inconsistent. Let's sell him for 50 milly and move on

 

[troylocker]

Note that Sancho game is suited more to possession based. He has played under our managers here mostly using counter attacking football. Ole and ETH. Under the right manager he can be useful to the club.

How did Dortmund play tonight? Who was dominating posession? Who played most direct? Sancho just needs to be manager better by a manager who can actually manage him. His talent has been obvious since he was 18. WC player, but immature and needs people following him up closely 24/7. ETH is not that guy.

 

[Bastian]

I don't care how well he plays for Dortmund. I don't want him back.

I hope he does brilliant there and we can sell him in the summer without having to massively subsidise his contract. May the hype be even bigger.

Didn't watch the match, but saw that he's eulogised on the BBC whilst having the lowest score from the accumulation of posters' ranking there.

 

[BeforeKeanetherewasRobson]

This isn't some kind of feat or great graces; it's an attempt to procure your investment and stave off a collapse. We're not privy to what led to that, but any asset that is in that kind of ball park figure, you do everything you can to protect your own investment. It's not altruism, it's business.

And further, doing that but then having things break down anyway because of the preseason into the campaign proper is in some ways even more bizarre.

You said neither side gave an inch. I think we did, hence the reply.

But now you’re saying that doesn’t count because we should do that to protect an investment.

So, we DID give an inch then?

(I presume you meant “protect”?)

 

[yeaherino]

Yeah, maybe. Although Mikhitaryan flopping at Arsenal did kind of reinforce that the issue is the league, rather than the club. It’s not as though there aren’t a bunch of other attacking players who looked class in Germany but bang average in the PL. The strike rate from that league has always been fairly low.

God tier Europa league level player

 

[Ubik]

Not a bad point earlier about PSG maybe getting interested, they did spend €80m on Kolo Muani so there's always hope.

 

[Fortitude]

You said neither side gave an inch. I think we did, hence the reply.

But now you’re saying that doesn’t count because we should do that to protect an investment.

So, we DID give an inch then?

(I presume you meant “protect”?)

No, of course we didn't. That is not one and the same with optimising a player or meeting in the middle. We took a player and wanted him to be something he never was, which begs the question of why buy him at all or whether we did any due diligence before procurement.

 

[berbatrick]

I'm always taken in by arguments about how the system at united doesn't suit some players (Kagawa, Pogba, probably a lot more), but with Sancho he showed almost nothing. Maybe about as much as Kagawa, for an astronomical price and lousy attitude. He always felt slower than the defenders and his passing - the highlight from Dortmund - was just ok, nothing special. An in-form Martial (2020) could knit attacks with his passing in a much better way. Sancho was absolutely unsuited as a winger, and no presence as a 10. A ghost, like VDB.

It's possible the system was holding him back. But I don't think he can hack it in the PL regardless.

 

[the_cliff]

His UCL performances will definitely get him a second chance here, especially if we're getting a new manager. I'm not so confident he'll come good though. Playing for United and Dortmund isn't the same pressure and he's one of those that can't handle it unfortunately.

 

[r0663664]

I can see clubs putting in bids for him and it is a good time to cash in. I hope the management and the new manager decide to sell him. I believe most of his transfer fee can be recoup with his performance in the champion league. Hope this becomes and bidding war for clubs who wants a shinny new toy maybe PSG, one of the Italian clubs as well as Saudis's comes calling.